CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #5

[Lawyer for the Peeps]

The typical fine on a simple cannabis possession- total- is $675. And I get where the argument could be made that people don't pay for lesser offenses but it happens all the time. Pay restitution up front and make the victim whole and we will dismiss/reduce the charges. Pay a high street value fine to fund our programs and we will reduce. It certainly seems like sometimes being rich does get you an edge on crime, but it happens.

I have been following this case from the beginning. For his family's sake, I hope he is found soon.

 

[LinasK]

Caron was correct. I WAS WRONG.
They did break up.
I am working off a pile of notes that I have made from the start and was missing one sentence.

On Tuesday, he broke up with kim on the phone and she went to his apartment he did break up with her there but then made up. On Wednesday he went to her apartment and broke up with her again.
Thats the one I missed.

Looks like I need to get my facts straight before posting.

Ok, they did break up. My apologies to everyone.

Let's move on

Maybe the break up is significant because it shows he planned to start a new life??

 

[Quester]

@ dragracerz

Re: Thurs 8/29 ...

Approx time BL ran out of gas in Buttonwillow truck stop?

Approx time road service man delivered 3 gal of gas?

Approx time KL received text re survey?

Approx time roadside service man returned to check on BL?

TIA

ETA: We're trying to compile an accurate, up-to-date timeline of this case. Thx!

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I hear ya'. But I truly don't think being a pot smoker equates to any kind of street smarts. I have years of watching pot smokers to back this up. It is ridiculously easy these days to get pot. No need whatsoever to enter a shadowy underworld of drug runners or whatever.



One thing, though: LE would either have to have probable cause to search the vehicle - I.e. Bryce appeared to be under the influence- or they were given permission. In the permission scenario, something had to tip them off that Bryce may be using. Cops aren't able to pull up the nationwide criminal records of drivers they pull over. So if they knew about Illinois, they had to be told. And if the parents told LE about old drug charges, inviting a search and the possible re-arrest of their son, they had to be pretty worried. IMO.



What case is that?



The willfully hiding out scenario is not my favorite when it comes to this case. But that is a very smart thought. I hope LE knows to look.



A lonely trucker who can't speak up because the company/insurance policy doesn't allow him to pick up hitchers. But I see no evidence that Bryce was walking around wet.

The case I was referring to is Ivy Merck...

she disappeared... Car was found... No one knew if she was alive or not...

so... There was an "organized campaign" to flood her FB with well wishes... Happy Birthdays... We miss you.. Messages on her birthday...

she saw the messages... Went to an LE building to contact them... And, coincidentally... Some of her family members were at that same LE building!

Florida... I think... Last year... I think...

sorry... Don't have all the particulars at the tip of my fingers... But her case was followed by many here on WS...

HTH...:seeya:

 

[Quester]

Darn - gone again!

 

[LegallyBrunette]

I'm trying to see the difference. Are you saying Karen witnessed the conversation between Bryce & Kim about whether they broke up? Because if so, I am confused.

As far as I have seen, Bryce only told Karen what happened. Same as Kim told Caron what happened. I don't see how Karen hearing the story from Bryce holds more weight than Caron hearing it from Kim. And Karen has said in more than one MSM spot that Bryce broke up with Kim. But I have to move on from this.

FWIW I think he broke up with her.

Will try to explain hearsay another way. As you say, Karen has said in MSM they broke up. Karen spoke to her son. She is reporting that conversation.

Caron is reporting what someone else TOLD her about a conversation, that's the legal difference.
If Kim was quoted directly in MSM talking about the conversation, that would be the same as his mother quoting the information. Because both of them were part of the actual conversation they are telling you about.

Don't worry, criminal law students don't find this concept easy - it is confusing.

I'm not saying anyone isn't telling it as they heard it, just trying to explain the difference. First person vs a third party. :smiliescale:

 

[RoseGarden]

If that guy really lives where the sightings took place...I doubt Bryce has been seen in Oregon, JMO. Someone needs to talk with this guy and see for sure if he was at the spots where alleged sightings took place.

Agreed! To have forward progress, we need to scratch something off our big list

 

[BluePoppy]

Maybe the break up is significant because it shows he planned to start a new life??

This is exactly why this is important. He didn't just want to break up, but there is so much more it is saying. Mom & gf both clearly indicate this was unexpected, abnormal behavior. And Bryce breaking up over the phone on Tues, her coming down & the breakup being called off & then Bryce driving up there Wed to break up again shows that he was VERY determined to do this no matter how unexpected or unexplainable this seems to those around him.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

Darn - gone again!

You are awesome, Quester! :cheer:

 

[BluePoppy]

Agreed! To have forward progress, we need to scratch something off our big list

Look back at the rest of the comments on FB. dragracerz said other red head fishermen had been ruled out.

 

[RoseGarden]

Okay, apart from the kid who could be a twin to Bryce (https://www.facebook.com/karac.anderson.98 there is an update on the Find Bryce page just a few minutes ago, ANOTHER sighting in Port Orford, and a plea from DGZ -

ATTN: ANYONE IN THE PORT ORFORD OREGON AREA
ANOTHER POSSIBLE SIGHTING IN PORT ORFORD TODAY

Any help in this area is greatly appreciated. Someone has spread information stating that Bryce is not lost, and knows what he is doing.

THIS IS NOT TRUE. BRYCE IS LISTED AS A CRITICAL MISSING PERSON AND MAY BE SUFFERING FROM AMNESIA OR OTHER HEAD INJURY REQUIRING MEDICAL ATTENTION.

I have been told that poster have been removed from some area in Port Orford by business owners because of this false information. Here is one you can post.

Thanks for any help searching, posting flyers or spe\reading the word.
Brian

Someone needs to reach out to the look alike about his location at times of said sightings, IMO...

 

[Quester]

You are awesome, Quester! :cheer:

Right back at you V4TS! :tyou:

 

[MomTo2Boys]

Chiming in regarding the break up. So, it's been confirmed that they did break up, but the family and KS are still referring to her as "the girlfriend". From personal experience it could be it just hasn't "sunk in" yet.

When my brother was deployed he broke up with his girlfriend of several months (it wasn't serious and frankly NONE of the family liked her). Anyway, he was killed shortly after arriving in Iraq, maybe 2 months AFTER the break up. She still claimed to be his girlfriend at the time of his death. We, the family, didn't treat her as such because we knew he'd broken up with her and as I said didn't like her. However, a prior serious girlfriend (that we all LOVED) had been talking to him via email again and they'd discussed "giving it another go" when he returned. We did (and still do) treat her as a member of the family.

Anyway, my point is, it's understandable that there's some confusion on what KS would be called/treated as given the break up happened right before he went missing.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

FWIW I think he broke up with her.

Will try to explain hearsay another way. As you say, Karen has said in MSM they broke up. Karen spoke to her son. She is reporting that conversation.

Caron is reporting what someone else TOLD her about a conversation, that's the legal difference.
If Kim was quoted directly in MSM talking about the conversation, that would be the same as his mother quoting the information. Because both of them were part of the actual conversation they are telling you about.

Don't worry, criminal law students don't find this concept easy - it is confusing.

I'm not saying anyone isn't telling it as they heard it, just trying to explain the difference. First person vs a third party. :smiliescale:

I am so sorry (I really am trying to understand; good thing I'm not a criminal law student)..........

Karen spoke to Bryce and he said he broke up with KS.
Caron spoke to KS and she said Bryce broke up with her.

You said we need to take Karen's word (not Caron's, as her's is hearsay) and therefor they didn't break up (???)

 

[Seajay]

Have we gotten any more reports or a resolution on the sighting in Tehachapi from the apartment building???

 

[Jo in Calif]

One of the things that I have learned, in being a mother for almost four decades, is to never say "my kid would never do that," no matter what it pertains to. I have two good kids and am very close to both of them.

 

[cluciano63]

How can anyone say for sure that he is not staying away on purpose, when nothing seems to be known? IMO, amnesia is just one possibility, not a certainty by any means, although I understand why they want to put that out there. But I don't think it should be categorically stated that he is not "in hiding".

 

[Voice4theSilent]

Have we gotten any more reports or a resolution on the sighting in Tehachapi from the apartment building???

I haven't read anything new about that sighting. (Had my finger's crossed and was holding my breath, too.)

 

[geevee]

The typical fine on a simple cannabis possession- total- is $675. And I get where the argument could be made that people don't pay for lesser offenses but it happens all the time. Pay restitution up front and make the victim whole and we will dismiss/reduce the charges. Pay a high street value fine to fund our programs and we will reduce. It certainly seems like sometimes being rich does get you an edge on crime, but it happens.

I have been following this case from the beginning. For his family's sake, I hope he is found soon.

Thanks for all of the clearly laid out info - do you have cameras in the courtrooms over there? Bet you'd be a treat to watch try a case live stream.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I believe there has been some of that in this case...parents, both Uncles, roommate and his girlfriend have all either verbally sent him pleas to return via interviews or on their Facebook pages.

Good point!

:seeya: