CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #7

[Jo in Calif]

I just wanted to state a few things, as to maybe why friends aren't in hysterics and much more involved in what's going on, and this is MY OPINION ONLY.
Jess and I talk about this daily. She had it in her mind way early on that he left on his own and doesn't want to be found. But, each time she would come back with "there's no way he would do this to his mom." With that being said, she wanted nothing to do with media, she would see them on campus and would walk the opposite way. When she saw the interview with the "friend" saying he wasn't surprised BL was missing and he was spiraling out of control or whatever it is he said, she went into complete rage and was completely offended by it, Somewhere on her fb she shared the news interview and told the guy off. Maybe it was true what the "friend" said but it was offensive to my daughter. She would love to come on WS, but I told her to stay off this site. The fact that anyone talks about him being an "addict" or bringing up his criminal past would make her so defensive she would end up getting banned from this site. She would tell everyone off.. Protective mode maybe.. Not that it's not true, but that she doesn't want people talking about her friend that was important to her. She has spoken to a few people on here regarding Bryce. She aches everyday, but is at ease a bit that they haven't found him dead somewhere. So she sits content thinking that hes out there somewhere living a new life ,,,,and in her mind he wants to be left alone. That's just the zone she fell into. She reminded me of this the other day, He LOVED school. He was incredibly intelligent, he was very creative, he loved getting good grades for himself, he liked drawing, he was so funny everything he did she would laugh, I have at least 40-50 video's on my computer of BL. Most of them, my daughter recorded of him dancing or telling a joke, telling a story, and she is in complete hysterics laughing through the entire recording. Why would he leave school that his parents paid for, his apartment that his parents paid for, his allowance that he received from his parents to eat and live, his car they gave him, his games that he spent so much time playing to go pick cherries for very little money or magazine sales? His family made it very easy for him to go to school and live on his own so he could focus on that and do well. I honestly think regarding the friends that they might feel the same way that he's hiding somewhere. There were days in the first 2 weeks she was planning for a funeral. She will tell you all if she was here, that he is awesome and one of her dearest friends. She told me last night, she wouldn't have survived the first year in the dorm with all the drama and strangers had it not been for Bryce.

Thanks for this Caron and again, big, big hugs to you and Jess.

 

[Deep12]

so The ex roomie's interview was a lot of rubbish?....he must have some reason though to say the things he said.

I wonder why he phoned Bryce a few hours after the Car crash?.....I think Dragracerz said it was around 6am-ish ,according to phone records...

 

[Hatfield]

I just wanted to state a few things, as to maybe why friends aren't in hysterics and much more involved in what's going on, and this is MY OPINION ONLY.
Jess and I talk about this daily. She had it in her mind way early on that he left on his own and doesn't want to be found. But, each time she would come back with "there's no way he would do this to his mom." With that being said, she wanted nothing to do with media, she would see them on campus and would walk the opposite way. When she saw the interview with the "friend" saying he wasn't surprised BL was missing and he was spiraling out of control or whatever it is he said, she went into complete rage and was completely offended by it, Somewhere on her fb she shared the news interview and told the guy off. Maybe it was true what the "friend" said but it was offensive to my daughter. She would love to come on WS, but I told her to stay off this site. The fact that anyone talks about him being an "addict" or bringing up his criminal past would make her so defensive she would end up getting banned from this site. She would tell everyone off.. Protective mode maybe.. Not that it's not true, but that she doesn't want people talking about her friend that was important to her. She has spoken to a few people on here regarding Bryce. She aches everyday, but is at ease a bit that they haven't found him dead somewhere. So she sits content thinking that hes out there somewhere living a new life ,,,,and in her mind he wants to be left alone. That's just the zone she fell into. She reminded me of this the other day, He LOVED school. He was incredibly intelligent, he was very creative, he loved getting good grades for himself, he liked drawing, he was so funny everything he did she would laugh, I have at least 40-50 video's on my computer of BL. Most of them, my daughter recorded of him dancing or telling a joke, telling a story, and she is in complete hysterics laughing through the entire recording. Why would he leave school that his parents paid for, his apartment that his parents paid for, his allowance that he received from his parents to eat and live, his car they gave him, his games that he spent so much time playing to go pick cherries for very little money or magazine sales? His family made it very easy for him to go to school and live on his own so he could focus on that and do well. I honestly think regarding the friends that they might feel the same way that he's hiding somewhere. There were days in the first 2 weeks she was planning for a funeral. She will tell you all if she was here, that he is awesome and one of her dearest friends. She told me last night, she wouldn't have survived the first year in the dorm with all the drama and strangers had it not been for Bryce.

Thanks so much for sharing.

Regarding the bolded items, this could be precisely why he wanted to leave and be on his own. He may have gotten very resentful that everything was being provided for him and he may have wanted to go out on his own and fend for himself.

Although very well meaning, sometimes parents can say the wrong things at times, and really cause a lot of resentment in a child.

From personal experience in college where my folks also (and thankfully) paid for my college expenses, there were many times where they would throw it back in my face and it made me feel awful. Like, when we would sometimes get into arguments over me needing more spending money, my mom would say, "we spend more on you than we do on ourselves".

There were plenty of times I wanted to just quit school and run away myself just so I would not be a "burden" on them or give them ammunition like that where they would use it to win arguments.

It made me feel awful to be so dependent on them. It is a horrible feeling.

Not sure if Bryce had any of these sorts of feelings, but I can relate to it if he had.

 

[CatFancier]

I tend to agree with AmandaFast.

For whatever reasons I think the family is being very circumspect with information released publicly. Unfortunately the lack of specifics leads to conjecture and analogical speculations.

A few questions:

Is LE still actively involved in this case?
Did BL have a legal prescription for Vyvanse, if so what for and in what dosage?
How long had he been using this drug?
Did BL have Vyvanse in his possession when he started his trip South? If so how much?
Was Vyvanse what he took out of his bag after the crash?
Did LE find any drugs in his vehicle after the crash?

And lastly, how common is it for Vyvanse to cause a dry mouth?

http://pi.shirecontent.com/PI/PDFs/Vyvanse_USA_ENG.pdf

According to this 5% of those who took Vyvanse experienced dry mouth compared to 0% on placebo.

 

[Whiteorchids]

So why didn't he tell his good friends what his was planning? Why did he tell his good friend and roommate SD he texted he loved and thanked for saving his soul and that he would be back Labor Day? no record of anything suspicious or out of the ordinary on his laptop or cell.

Something is not right here. That was a hard fall on that cliff. Volunteers are dropping likes flies because of many believing he purposely went missing. If that's the case why don't the parents stop looking and let him be alone? I think they believe something has happened to him as well. He told SD he would be back Labor Day. They have to pay rent and utilities. Why would he not tell SD.

There are many ways of notifying your family and friends your ok without being found. Not a peep has been heard from him or any signal. I seriously agree with Hat to search the lake again. It's already been two months.

I agree with Hat that I don't rule out any reasonable theory and appreciate everyones opinion. I think something happened that was not planned. I am really worried about Bryce.

 

[gitana1]

Actually the only reason we found out was his friends was able to pull some strings. It's private information but he got in touch with my son and finally convinced him to call us. When he did call he advised us not to question his actions or he would hang up and would never hear from him again. It was hard because we were so upset at him making that decision. He eventually got a general discharge. He even had a bad knee that required surgery so I was very surprised he was able to enlist with all his problems. He has gotten worse over time. His addictions turned into paranoid schizophrenia. As I stated before in and out of psych hospitals for 10 years and jails. He stops taking meds and he goes into psychotic episodes. He heard voices and all the terrible things that go along with this illness. He has been drug free 4 years but now is schizophrenic/ bi-polar. It has been a living hell to say the least. He is very smart, nice, won many awards even presidents gold. He was a wonderful snowboarder, skateboarder, wakeboarder. He could have gone pro. He now lost interest in everything he loved before. He had many friends. Now none. He just turned 30 and this mess is still going on. It's like my son has left his body. It gets worse over time. My younger son who is 23 and is a programming college student at UCI is doing wonderfully. He does not drink or do drugs and is quite the opposite of his brother as he has gone through all this with his brother and does not want to end up that way. Thank the good lord he is doing great.

Hugs to you. There is nothing like the pain of a parent.

I tend to agree with AmandaFast.

For whatever reasons I think the family is being very circumspect with information released publicly. Unfortunately the lack of specifics leads to conjecture and analogical speculations.

A few questions:

Is LE still actively involved in this case?
Did BL have a legal prescription for Vyvanse, if so what for and in what dosage?
How long had he been using this drug?
Did BL have Vyvanse in his possession when he started his trip South? If so how much?
Was Vyvanse what he took out of his bag after the crash?
Did LE find any drugs in his vehicle after the crash?

And lastly, how common is it for Vyvanse to cause a dry mouth?

Apparently Bryce's case is still an active, open investigation. But who knows how hard they are working on it.

LE searched Bryce's car for 20 minutes in Buttonwillow and found no drugs. Inthink if drugs had been found in his car when it crashed, that info may have been released. It could have changed the direction of the investigation. No info that drugs were found.

There is zero info to suggest Bryce had ADHD or had a prescription. His "admission" to his girlfriend that he took one pill, that admission being used to excuse his odd behavior, sort of proves he didn't on both accounts. People with actual ADHD don't tend to get high from the medication prescribed for it.

 

[Jo in Calif]

So why didn't he tell his good friends what his was planning? Why did he tell his good friend and roommate SD he texted he loved and thanked for saving his soul and that he would be back Labor Day? no record of anything suspicious or out of the ordinary on his laptop or cell.

Something is not right here. That was a hard fall on that cliff. Volunteers are dropping likes flies because of many believing he purposely went missing. If that's the case why don't the parents stop looking and let him be alone? I think they believe something has happened to him as well. He told SD he would be back Labor Day. They have to pay rent and utilities. Why would he not tell SD.

There are many ways of notifying your family and friends your ok without being found. Not a peep has been heard from him or any signal. I seriously agree with Hat to search the lake again. It's already been two months.

I agree with Hat that I don't rule out any reasonable theory and appreciate everyones opinion. I think something happened that was not planned. I am really worried about Bryce.

Maybe Bryce was not planning to disappear.
Maybe what Bryce had going on was not something he wanted to tell his friends.
Maybe he broke up with his girlfriend and meant it.
Maybe he spent so much time in Buttonwillow was because he knew it was going to be so hard to tell his mom, he was thinking and getting the courage to talk to her about it.
Maybe after the accident he figured that what he had to tell her compounded with wrecking the car was just too much for him.
Maybe there is nothing wrong with him mentally, does not have amnesia, is not a schizophrenic, did not have any metal break down because of drugs.
He could very well have something going on in his life that he did not want to share with his friends, at that time.
Maybe he did tell SD what it is and SD promised him he would not share that secret and I bet he wont.
We just don't know any of this, but I still feel that Bryce will call his mom when he thinks the time is right.
Again this is IMO.

 

[Whiteorchids]

If he's hiding he could get a stranger or friend to drive to his folks and drop off a letter or note on the door step with no return address to let them know he is ok and wants to be left alone? Halloween is thursday for that matter wear a mask and drop off a note. Maybe even a call from a pay as you go phone I don't believe they can be traced as Terrorists use them.

He had no money or extra clothes where would he go? No ID either. Why didn't he bother taking the bag of clothes from the truck? When I got jobs they always asked for DL to make a copy and SSN first day on the job. If someone male or female is caring for him couldn't that person discreetly notify a family member or friend that he is OK?

Something has happened to that boy. Adult or not he's not even 21. Most 19yr olds are still quite immature at that age especially boys.

The holidays are just around the corners seems Bryce would want to be with his family at this time. Another reason I feel not an intentional move. I feel so bad for the Laspisas. They must be broken and in so much pain. I would hate to be walking in their shoes. My heart goes out to them. I pray daily he is found before Thanksgiving & Christmas.

 

[Redux]

I am glad people have different opinions and it is fine to disagree with others because that is what makes WS so great is to get all ideas on the table.

Regarding bolded parts, I don't mean to be argumentative at all, but I struggle when I see a post like this after all the previous posts and discussions regarding this. IMO, there are can many possibilities and some were just mentioned. Things like...

-We have a previous person under very similar circumstances rolling a truck and ending up in a lake after taking similar medicine.

-Foul play could be involved and someone pushed him out and he floated for a little bit before sinking which would allow him to get further out in lake than what we would think

-He could have been hurting and injured and wanted to get in the water for relief from the pain of injuries and then he succumbed to injuries while in water.

All these types of things were previously mentioned and much discussion ensued. It is fine to not agree that this may have been what happened, but not sure how we can say we only see one way of deciding to swim across? Maybe some of us dont read all the previous posts, but for me, I like to read and consider all previous posts as much as I can to get up to speed on other peoples ideas.
I myself only give these types of things about a 40-60 percent chance, but I do try to consider all the different scenerios of what may have happened.

Until he is found, I don't outrule something unless it really shows no promise, and for now, I still keep the lake about 40-60 percent chance of possible.

Some people may eliminate it entirely and that is fine to just say so.
Again, not trying to be argumentative. Just trying to understand where some people are coming from. Thanks.

Actually, I've been reading Bryce's posts from the very start, the day it was originally posted, and have posted from the beginning although I don't post often. Because I've read from the beginning, I've gone through a lot of theories in my head, and this is where I have landed. I didn't say it was impossible that he was in the lake, just that I find it hard to see how that could have happened. I've never heard of a body floating across the lake until it got to the middle and then sunk, is that possible or likely? I've seen absolutely nothing to indicate foul play, so it doesn't lead me in that direction. That doesn't mean I wouldn't change my mind if something came out pointing to that.

I have jumped from thinking he was probably in the lake to possibly having dissociative fugue or brain injury to thinking he left of his own accord. I posted a while back that I would be the first to think he was in the lake, but because of certain things I no longer think that's the likely possibility. Maybe you missed my post. I'm not deadset on one idea, just for me that's the strongest possibility at this point.

And I love when people say they're not trying to be argumentative when they clearly are. Implying that someone is not up to speed on posts just because they disagree with you is argumentative and rude, even if you preface it with "not trying to be argumentative or anything".

 

[gitana1]

Maybe Bryce was not planning to disappear.
Maybe what Bryce had going on was not something he wanted to tell his friends.
Maybe he broke up with his girlfriend and meant it.
Maybe he spent so much time in Buttonwillow was because he knew it was going to be so hard to tell his mom, he was thinking and getting the courage to talk to her about it.
Maybe after the accident he figured that what he had to tell her compounded with wrecking the car was just too much for him.
Maybe there is nothing wrong with him mentally, does not have amnesia, is not a schizophrenic, did not have any metal break down because of drugs.
He could very well have something going on in his life that he did not want to share with his friends, at that time.
Maybe he did tell SD what it is and SD promised him he would not share that secret and I bet he wont.
We just don't know any of this, but I still feel that Bryce will call his mom when he thinks the time is right.
Again this is IMO.

It's possible. It's also the best scenario there could be so I hope you are right! My reasons for thinking he was suffering some kind of issue, though,are the reactions of his girlfriend and mother and the timeline, his admissions to talking a drug as a means of explaining why his behavior was "off" and his admission that he stayed up for hours, without sleep.

Those things combined kind of fit the pattern of someone having a mental issue. But I don't know. Maybe I'm too broad in my definition. because I think a young person who stages a crash or leaves one, or disappears voluntarily and does not notify a seemingly very loving family, despite their utter despair, is having a mental issue of some kind.

I think the young man featured in Into the Wild had a mental problem. I think most people who abandon family, unless the family is abusive, have mental issues of some sort.

In any event, I compiled a list of cases that could fit Bryce. So,e are voluntary disappearances, some are global amnesia or disassociative fugue cases, some may be cases of budding schizophrenia or other, serious disorder. But the good news is that all were found safe:

1. Ivy Merck - FOUND SAFE. Missing 21 days, had abandoned her car. Saw Facebook postings wishing her happy Birthday and went to the police station. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...=TJlpyrkX2hmfpYRUtgSBiA&bvm=bv.55123115,d.cGE

2. Brenda Heist - FOUND SAFE. Missing 11 years. Voluntarily left, taking off with random homeless people she met, leaving her kids behind. Stressed from a divorce: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-dead-sentenced-jail-probation-violation.html

3. Laudan Taiby - FOUND SAFE. Missing 8 days. http://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/news/read.cfm?id=1923

4. Matthew Hygh- FOUND SAFE. Missing two weeks. Young man located in Downey, reading CS Lewis and living in his car, parents say. On Tuesday, his father Tim held a press conference to announce Matt was living in his car in Downey, California, “reading CS Lewis, his Bible and taking copious notes,” his father said.
An official with the El Cajon Police Department confirmed that Hygh's father found him.
The two were reunited on Monday after an acquaintance convinced Matt to call his father.
Matt said he was ready to come home, according to his father.
Source: http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/144466595.html#ixzz2inGJ2hEB
Source: http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/144466595.html#ixzz2inG7KhYu

5. Eric Myers - FOUND SAFE. Missing 16 years. Religious family man couldn’t take it and left everything behind.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/25/eric-myers-dead-gay-shocked-family_n_3646397.html

6. Denise Desruisseaux- FOUND SAFE. Missing from 1985-2002. Left out of fear of being harmed by someone. http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20020517/NEWS/305179917

7. Matthew Royer - FOUND SAFE. College student missing 8 days. A 21-year-old graduate student missing since late last week has been found safe and unharmed several states from where his family were expecting him authorities say, but exactly where, they refuse to say.
Matthew Royer, a University of Rhode Island doctorate student, was found in North Carolina on Thursday, WPVI reports, after his parents say he set out from the school for their Pennsylvania home one week earlier.
He has since been reunited with family in an undisclosed location with a cause for his mysterious disappearance also left unsaid.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-week-disappeared-way-home.html#ixzz2inHIzJMa
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8. Aisha Khan - FOUND SAFE. College student missing 5 days. Age 19, took off and pretended she was kidnapped. http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-kansas-student-aisha-khan-found-family-left/story?id=15212114

9. Gabriel Nagy - FOUND SAFE. Missing 23 years. Thought to have suffered amnesia after a car crash. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ring-father-23-years-burned-car-vanished.html

10. Amber Glatt, FOUND SAFE. A 22-year-old Valley City State University student, vanished on the Fourth of July, prompting aerial searches. She contacted her mother five days later from the Grand Canyon. Her mother said Glatt has had recurring amnesia since suffering a head injury years ago.
Glatt told WDAY-TV (http://bit.ly/NmbSnR ) that after she lost her memory she met a man in a bar who let her tag along on his trip to the Grand Canyon. She said the man eventually saw online that she'd been reported missing and alerted her.
Glatt regained most of her memory.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...alifornia-motel-awakens-with-amnesia/2520003/

11. Jeffrey Alan Ingram, FOUND SAFE. A man who gets amnesia when stressed, recently missing for days but once missing for 9 months: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/15373503/n...amily-friends/
Also: “People with dissociative fugue typically appear fine but have temporarily lost their sense of identity, are confused and impulsively travel away from home. Experts say it is rare and typically linked to severe stress.”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/1...nver-reunited-with-washington-fiancee-family/

The article states: People with dissociative fugue typically appear fine but have temporarily lost their sense of identity, are confused and impulsively travel away from home. Experts say it is rare and typically linked to severe stress.

12. Matthew Abraham, 20. FOUND SAFE. This article is about a missing California man, 20, of Scotts Valley California, who suffered a severe head injury while mountain biking in Henry Cowell State Park. He was found 8 days after suffering a head injury, in Utah, with amnesia: http://fox13now.com/2013/03/16/missing-california-man-with-amnesia-found-in-slc/

13. Raymond Power Jr., FOUND SAFE. A homeless man with amnesia discovered to be an upstanding lawyer and father of two who went missing 6 months previously: http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=1629645

14. Hugh Armstrong - FOUND SAFE. A man with a head injury who had amnesia and traveled 1000 miles from where he had been hiking, by walking and hitching rides, all while not knowing who the hell he was, in two weeks time. But he had a vague memory of North Carolina, where he ended up. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...s-memory-missing-new-hampshire_n_1776042.html

15. Michael Boatright, FOUND SAFE. Suffered transient global amnesia: “In March, doctors diagnosed Boatwright with Transient Global Amnesia, a condition triggered by physical or emotional trauma that can last for several months.
The rare mental disorder is characterized by memory loss, "sudden and unplanned travel," and possible adoption of a new identity, according to the Sun.”
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/flor...-and-only-speaks-swedish-2013-7#ixzz2inCKS0FZ

I note that several of these had head injuries after car accidents or falls but were still able to walk around normally.

 

[Whiteorchids]

When someone says they see no evidence of foul play what might that be other than a missing laptop or wallet?

What kind of foul play evidence would there be at the scene if Bryce had hitched a ride at the road with a stranger in a car or truck to be taken to a nearby hospital or PD not knowing it was a very bad man, a criminal, or serial killer who had other intentions that hurt or killed Bryce and disposed his body somewhere, anywhere just like the bad people that killed and disposed that burning dead man at Castaic. There were two other bodies in those months that was found not too far from Castaic. People were thinking there was a serial killer in the area. You can google the articles.

There would not be any evidence of this at the scene. I am not ruling out foul play as my husband and I both agree this is highly possible. It was early in the morning and that's when all the creeps are prowling.

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[Redux]

Wow gitana, that is quite the list! When you posted previously about the people that had experienced dissociative fugue, it really got me to thinking about that possibility. I haven't looked at all the links you've posted here, but I'm looking forward to reading them. I find these people's situations and what happened to them very interesting.

 

[RoseGarden]

...She reminded me of this the other day, He LOVED school. He was incredibly intelligent, he was very creative, he loved getting good grades for himself, he liked drawing, he was so funny everything he did she would laugh, I have at least 40-50 video's on my computer of BL. Most of them, my daughter recorded of him dancing or telling a joke, telling a story, and she is in complete hysterics laughing through the entire recording. Why would he leave school that his parents paid for, his apartment that his parents paid for, his allowance that he received from his parents to eat and live, his car they gave him, his games that he spent so much time playing to go pick cherries for very little money or magazine sales? His family made it very easy for him to go to school and live on his own so he could focus on that and do well. I honestly think regarding the friends that they might feel the same way that he's hiding somewhere. There were days in the first 2 weeks she was planning for a funeral. She will tell you all if she was here, that he is awesome and one of her dearest friends. She told me last night, she wouldn't have survived the first year in the dorm with all the drama and strangers had it not been for Bryce.

Clipped for space. BBM, reading this really got to me, I got goosebumps. That is how I envision Bryce, really a character, funny, bright, and such a massive future ahead of him. Friends near and far, new semester, new apartment new roomie. Now, suddenly vanished as though off the face of the earth, with no wallet, no cell phone, zero online presence anywhere, no sound, no notes, no contact whatsoever. I have always thought he was off with a new friend, but I am finding it very hard to believe that today. I can't imagine he would not ever, ever be online, not see his mother's tears, hear his father's voice, and just stay out of touch. IMO, it doesn't fit his character. He was popular, funny, creative, and close to his family. I could see a week or two to chill, but this is just a nightmare. I pray that Bryce is brought home before the holidays. I hope he is just off camping without electricity or internet access. But... :tantrum: it feels like too long. Thank you so very much, Caron, for sharing these insights into Bryce's nature. It really brings him right here, in spirit. Sending prayers, deep respect, and strength for the Laspisa family. lease:

 

[Redux]

When someone says they see no evidence of foul play what might that be other than a missing laptop or wallet?

What kind of foul play evidence would there be at the scene if Bryce had hitched a ride at the road with a stranger in a car or truck to be taken to a nearby hospital or PD not knowing it was a very bad man, a criminal, or serial killer who had other intentions that hurt or killed Bryce and disposed his body somewhere, anywhere just like the bad people that killed and disposed that burning dead man at Castaic. There were two other bodies in those months that was found not too far from Castaic. People were thinking there was a serial killer in the area. You can google the articles.

There would not be any evidence of this at the scene. I am not ruling out foul play as my husband and I both agree this is highly possible. It was early in the morning and that's when all the creeps are prowling.

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Lots of things. If someone saw Bryce with an unknown person somewhere along the way - either Christian or the police that checked on him or maybe some footage from a camera somewhere. Or there was something left in Bryce's suv that wasn't his. Or the blood found in the car turned out to be someone's other than Bryce's. Or the dog's didn't track his scent from the truck. Or his mom heard someone else talking in the background when she was talking to Bryce. I could think of a dozen other things too.

The absence of evidence does not mean that it didn't happen, but if I want to form an opinion about what happened to Bryce and I have been given limited information, I am going to rely on process of elimination to some degree. If I was a cop, I wouldn't rely on process of elimination. But since my opinion has diddly squat bearing on whether Bryce is found, and we have limited information available, I've started thinking in terms of what likely did or didn't occur in my opinion.

 

[Whiteorchids]

Lots of things. If someone saw Bryce with an unknown person somewhere along the way - either Christian or the police that checked on him or maybe some footage from a camera somewhere. Or there was something left in Bryce's suv that wasn't his. Or the blood found in the car turned out to be someone's other than Bryce's. Or his mom heard someone else talking in the background when she was talking to Bryce. I could think of a dozen other things too.

The absence of evidence does not mean that it didn't happen, but with the limited information we have, some process of elimination goes into my thinking. If I was a cop, I probably wouldn't rely on process of elimination. But since my opinion has diddly squat bearing on whether Bryce is found, and we have limited information available, I've started thinking in terms of what likely did or didn't occur in my opinion.

I'm talking about after he got in the car with a stranger. Maybe his intent was to go to the hospital and not to run away at all.

Those murderers dumped that burning body only a couple days later or maybe it was the next day. Murderers, criminals, thugs go around in that area. Bryce is an attractive young man. Some sicko that gave him a ride could have had other intentions then taking him to an ER. We may never know what happened to Bryce. What a shame this happened.


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[southsleuth]

I am on my phone so can't pull up the post but Dragracerz said that wasn't a possibility. Also, would the military take someone who admittedly was using drugs illegally right before going off to boot camp?

Nope, he couldn't get in. I had a Mom call me for help with her son who just graduated HS. He was an Honor Roll student but was arrested when he was a soph-junior for hanging with a wrong crowd and was named in a car break-in. The young man went through PTI, had his record expunged and even got accepted to the Citadel and is enrolled and will go in the fall. Even if the record is expunged, the arrest still shows up.

 

[jpsnaggs]

I posted a handful of times awhile ago, so this is coming from an outside "lurker's" perspective. Unfortunately, we do not seem any more knowledgeable about the circumstances of his disappearance than we did a month ago.

From the beginning, I tried not to formulate any opinion on the situation, trying to rely on the facts only - but there are a few things which bother me. I have seem some friendly arguments about the circumstances leading up to Bryce's disappearance with some saying such personal information is irrelevant with some saying it is. IMO, it is extremely important to understand the frame of mind someone is in, before such an event takes place. The family (for better or worse) has been very careful as to what information is released. I understand the need for privacy, but this is an unusual case. I still see some central questions which need to be answered and ideas which need to be explored.

- How exactly was he acting when his keys were taken away? I have seen his behavior characterized in many different ways. Was he mad, sad, angry, violent, disoriented?

- Did he ever have any type of emotional breakdown in the past?

- What actually happened the last week before he vanished?

- What were the contents of the laptop/phone (I have already heard the "nothing helping LE" line which does not satisfy the question). If he decided to vanish on his own, there would have to be something he searched for etc that would be a clue, albeit small, to his intentions - I do not buy into the theory that any 19 y/o is that brilliant to intentionally vanish without a trace. Some search phrase, some chat room sentence... something.

- What is missing from his unzipped bag?

- If the police searched his car, I assume they did not find any drugs? So, therefore we would have to think he was not on something at the time of his disappearance? If he called no one per cell records (a connection) had nothing on him (proven by the search) then he must have been relatively sober/not high.

- It would seem to me that after this time, he is not wandering around the lake still - but if he did wander into that lake that night, why? Why walk down to the lake, get in the water fully clothed? I do not buy into the idea that he went to the lake to clean blood off himself. I was 19 once, that does not seem like a priority imo. If someone has the mindset to remove an article from a zipped bag, I do not see them accidentally drowning in a lake.

This is all very tragic. I do hope the figure out what has happened sooner rather than later. So many unanswered questions.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Actually the only reason we found out was his friends was able to pull some strings. It's private information but he got in touch with my son and finally convinced him to call us. When he did call he advised us not to question his actions or he would hang up and would never hear from him again. It was hard because we were so upset at him making that decision. He eventually got a general discharge. He even had a bad knee that required surgery so I was very surprised he was able to enlist with all his problems. He has gotten worse over time. His addictions turned into paranoid schizophrenia. As I stated before in and out of psych hospitals for 10 years and jails. He stops taking meds and he goes into psychotic episodes. He heard voices and all the terrible things that go along with this illness. He has been drug free 4 years but now is schizophrenic/ bi-polar. It has been a living hell to say the least. He is very smart, nice, won many awards even presidents gold. He was a wonderful snowboarder, skateboarder, wakeboarder. He could have gone pro. He now lost interest in everything he loved before. He had many friends. Now none. He just turned 30 and this mess is still going on. It's like my son has left his body. It gets worse over time. My younger son who is 23 and is a programming college student at UCI is doing wonderfully. He does not drink or do drugs and is quite the opposite of his brother as he has gone through all this with his brother and does not want to end up that way. Thank the good lord he is doing great.

I've shared before on WS about my bil who suffers schizophrenia. He's about eight years younger than my husband. Based on what I know about this mental disorder, I'm not sure there's an understood cause/reason as why it develops or that a person's choices has anything to do with their having the illness.
I believe self-medication may add to confusion about what's wrong with a person when the illness is emerging. Eventually it's undeniable that something is wrong based on escalating strange behavior.
Experimentation with drugs probably isn't the cause. The illness would have surfaced regardless. People who have never done drugs, or are too young to have started using them, are diagnosed with this disorder too.
Doing street drugs, or anything that influences brain cells, probably doesn't help though and may delay proper diagnosis. Not messing with drugs is a wise thing because I suppose they may act as triggers and make diagnosis more difficult.

In my bil's case, he drank beer when I met him. That's all. I could tell his difficult speech patterns weren't because he was drinking. Totally different result.

Long story but today, he loyally takes his medications and functions well within his own environment, has a good and kind heart - truly. He's a slave to taking this med at this time, and that med at that time though, and his routines are based around taking his meds. He doesn't like crowds.

If not on his meds, like when he recently came to visit us via bus and put all his meds in his suitcase (versus keeping his next dose in his pocket), he's a disaster. It's amazing the difference the medications make to help him be relatable and appear normal (otherwise peeps don't know how to react to him). During his trip, he called us on his cellphone but kept insisting he didn't have our number while, at the same time, we were speaking. I thought, 'uh-oh, we have a problem'. We couldn't tell if he knew where he was (and were frightened if he was on the right bus going in the right direction), and we couldn't make sense if he had plans to transfer onto a train or what. If an emergency, where we could pick him up. It turned out he made the journey safely but he couldn't communicate to us as he was doing it (we couldn't understand what was going on). When my husband met him at the station (he finally called back after hours), the conductor gave dh a concerned but kind look as in, 'oh I'm glad this person has a person here for him'.

The first problem was related to weak planning abilities (not thinking ahead to his next dose before reaching his destination) and, the second problem was that he can't be understood when off his meds (but he knows what he is saying). The meds are key to having normal communication with other people. Of course, strangers who encounter a person who is experiencing this brain confusion, become concerned and are likely to become fearful too. Conspiracy and space talk seem to be common topics when unmedicated.

Recently, I read something about two categories of schizophrenia - like there has been newer distinctions made about the disorder. One type is less severe than another or something. I share this because it's true that nothing is ever the same again, but also to share that I've watched a person manage this illness and believe he is content and often happy. It took many years for acceptance and healthy patterns to form, but it can and does happen.

 

[Redux]

I'm talking about after he got in the car with a stranger. Maybe his intent was to go to the hospital and not to run away at all.

Those murderers dumped that burning body only a couple days later or maybe it was the next day. Murderers, criminals, thugs go around in that area. Bryce is an attractive young man. Some sicko that gave him a ride could have had other intentions then taking him to an ER. We may never know what happened to Bryce. What a shame this happened.


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Sorry, I read the first part of your question and answered it and then didn't go on to the second part.

In that case, no there might not be any evidence. But then my mind goes to what is the probability that someone, not just someone, but a sicko, wandered by in that small timeframe between when he crashed and when the SUV was found? I'm not saying it's impossible. And it does happen - we see it happen with children that are snatched in a moment when some sicko that just happened to be walking by and seized that moment of opportunity. But we could think of things all day that possibly happened but that likely didn't happen. It's just where I'm at right now. Might change tomorrow.

 

[nikb]

I have to respectively disagree because there were numerous phone calls made and the last couple of calls were when he was by himself in the truck and things were taking a turn for the worst like running out of gas, etc.

Surely, at some point you would ask him what is the subject of what we need to talk about that is so important. I know everyone is different, but I know I would not let one of my kids off the hook with a bombshell like that without at least getting the subject matter.

BBM the problem is, in some ways, you don't really have a choice. All the kid has to do is hang up, turn the phone off or refuse to answer it, and take off driving somewhere. Which it seems is what Bryce did, to some degree. If he hadn't run out of gas in Buttonwillow and later bought that gas and soda with the ATM card that allows his parents to see all of his transactions, IMO they would've had no idea where he was and he could've dragged that on for days or even much longer as long as he didn't go back to his apartment. They weren't "letting him off the hook" - they had no choice.

I'm not at all set on what I think might have happened at this point. The only thing I'm set on is that I hope he's ok somewhere, and that his parents need and deserve to know one way or another what's happened/happening.