CA CA - Bryce Laspisa, 19, Castaic, 30 Aug 2013 - #7

[cluciano63]

I just saw (part of) a post from Bryce's Uncle Brian (https://www.facebook.com/FINDBRYCELASPISA) that says "This weekend's search did not turn up any vital clues to help..."
I can't read the rest of his post because :facepalm: I don't have a Facebook account; will somebody who does please check it out and tell us what it says?
Thanks.

Also, volunteers apparently signed a combined liability release/non-disclosure agreement when they registered with the Klass Kids Foundation to search for Bryce, which explains why this thread has gone so quiet.

Dragracerz, I'm sorry the weekend searches didn't find Bryce, but hopeful that this means he's somewhere else and will be found. Sending good thoughts to you and yours, especially Bryce, and prayers to God.
Best,
Coastal

The rest just said they feel they have cleared these areas now, thanks to Klass Kids, got more media, etc...nothing new really, JMO.

 

[rachaellouise]

I personally feel he is in the lake. JMO

 

[Voice4theSilent]

The FB post also stated he is still trying to find the person reported to look like Bryce in San Bernardino and that the search turned up t'shirts and animal bones that were missed in the other searches which goes to show it is easy to miss things in a search. He stated the search got media's attention and that we need to keep Bryce's face out there so that people know he is missing. The family is grateful for KlaasKids and the volunteers.

He commented that he is trying to organize another search (without KlaasKids) this coming weekend.

 

[Niner]

I had a thought...

We know that Bryce's SUV was caught on video surveillance at 2:07am on August 13 heading toward Castaic Lake.

We know that the last time Bryce talked to his mom was at 2:08am on August 13. He told her that he got off the I-5, was in a suburban area & going to sleep in his car.
This matches what the video shows.


So what if he did exactly what he told his mom??
Found a spot & slept.

I (think) remember somebody posting way down thread that LE patrols the area & will ask people to move on if they are parked.

So maybe Bryce was sleeping & got asked to move on by LE. This *could* explain why he was caught on the same video surveillance a second time at 4:20am.
Maybe he was too tired to continue driving so he looked for another close, but hidden, spot to park.
What better place than behind that fence area by the repeater/cell tower.

The above is only a thought.
And I know it doesn't help find him...

:welcome4: dislocated!!

You are correct, except for the date - it should be August 30th Friday.

 

[dislocated]

:welcome4: dislocated!!

You are correct, except for the date - it should be August 30th Friday.

Oh my goodness! I can't believe I put the 13th!?
Yes, August 30th, thank you

 

[Woe.be.gone]

If searchers signed a non disclosure agreement, then we really don't know the results, right? Ugh!

Also, if the area has been searched thoroughly now, why organize another search for next weekend? In a different place/area? The info is a bit confusing/contradicting. Maybe dragracerz will come back here and explain - maybe there's a new angle.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Oh my goodness! I can't believe I put the 13th!?
Yes, August 30th, thank you

I hope it makes you feel better knowing how many of us missed/or glossed over that the date was wrong - lol!
Good eye Niner!

 

[cluciano63]

I am thinking the non-disclosure forms were a Klass thing. I can't think why the family would want silence when they believe he may be in need of medical help. JMO

 

[Seajay]

I'm wondering where the search will be next week. Maybe I can make that one. Since I can't walk, I can't actually hike or look, but I can surely be at the command center handing out maps, water, whatever the hikers/searchers need.

 

[Hatfield]

I truly wish the family would have the lake searched again - even if it means funding the search themselves. IMO BL is either in that lake snagged at the bottom or missing on his own. These are the only 2 scenarios that make sense in my mind. I threw out the amnesia theory a long time ago.

JMO
As much as I hope he is still alive, I agree that searching the lake would be where I would want to focus. Mainly because I don't think it was searched well enough right at the very beginning. I may be wrong, but from what I read at the very beginning, it seems a lot of the search efforts did not consider the water too much at first because the vehicle was not submerged, but was on dry land.

I think later on, the water was searched, but just not sure of how thorough a job was done. It is probably very complicated and tough searching the bottom of the lake near where the car was found, but at least IMO, I feel it is well worth investing in some good sonar and dive teams to search fairly close to the vehicle area and just really hone in on anything that could be a person submerged.

I was kind of thinking of a scenerio where he went to the water because he was injured and wanted to use the water to help him get relief from the injuries. It would probably be what I would do if I was hurting from a car wreck. Getting some cool relief from the water if he was under a lot of pain from the injuries. So thinking maybe he was actually in the water and then maybe his injuries were so severe, that he succombed to them while in the water.

If he isnt found in the water, and it is thoroughly searched, then that could give renewed hope that he may still be alive and just missing.

Maybe a thorough search was already done, but it wouldnt hurt to try again as well because I am sure it is easy to miss things as well. Especially if the lake is deep near where his car was found. I would focus searching fairly close to the car area, and then work outwards as time allowed.

 

[McSpy]

I had a thought...

We know that Bryce's SUV was caught on video surveillance at 2:07am on August 13 heading toward Castaic Lake.

We know that the last time Bryce talked to his mom was at 2:08am on August 13. He told her that he got off the I-5, was in a suburban area & going to sleep in his car.
This matches what the video shows.


So what if he did exactly what he told his mom??
Found a spot & slept.

I (think) remember somebody posting way down thread that LE patrols the area & will ask people to move on if they are parked.

So maybe Bryce was sleeping & got asked to move on by LE. This *could* explain why he was caught on the same video surveillance a second time at 4:20am.
Maybe he was too tired to continue driving so he looked for another close, but hidden, spot to park.
What better place than behind that fence area by the repeater/cell tower.

The above is only a thought.
And I know it doesn't help find him...

Brilliant thought. It seems so possible it happened as you stated. Generally, police won't bother someone parked in a truck/rest stop, but they may tell someone to leave when they are parked in a private lot or even certain public lots. I live near a school and every night the police patrol around the grounds. I'm pretty sure they chase off anyone parking there at night. JMO

 

[la2cabo]

JMO
As much as I hope he is still alive, I agree that searching the lake would be where I would want to focus. Mainly because I don't think it was searched well enough right at the very beginning. I may be wrong, but from what I read at the very beginning, it seems a lot of the search efforts did not consider the water too much at first because the vehicle was not submerged, but was on dry land.

I think later on, the water was searched, but just not sure of how thorough a job was done. It is probably very complicated and tough searching the bottom of the lake near where the car was found, but at least IMO, I feel it is well worth investing in some good sonar and dive teams to search fairly close to the vehicle area and just really hone in on anything that could be a person submerged.

I was kind of thinking of a scenerio where he went to the water because he was injured and wanted to use the water to help him get relief from the injuries. It would probably be what I would do if I was hurting from a car wreck. Getting some cool relief from the water if he was under a lot of pain from the injuries. So thinking maybe he was actually in the water and then maybe his injuries were so severe, that he succombed to them while in the water.

If he isnt found in the water, and it is thoroughly searched, then that could give renewed hope that he may still be alive and just missing.

Maybe a thorough search was already done, but it wouldnt hurt to try again as well because I am sure it is easy to miss things as well. Especially if the lake is deep near where his car was found. I would focus searching fairly close to the car area, and then work outwards as time allowed.

As a mother myself I don't think I would be able to sleep at night unless I knew for a fact that ALL possibilities had been exhausted, and this includes searching the lake. I think there are volunteers that will do it, however, if I had to mortgage my house in order to find my son then so be it.

Bryce's family NEEDS some sort of answer. It may not be the outcome they are hoping for but at least it would be an answer.

 

[nikb]

JMO
As much as I hope he is still alive, I agree that searching the lake would be where I would want to focus. Mainly because I don't think it was searched well enough right at the very beginning. I may be wrong, but from what I read at the very beginning, it seems a lot of the search efforts did not consider the water too much at first because the vehicle was not submerged, but was on dry land.

I think later on, the water was searched, but just not sure of how thorough a job was done. It is probably very complicated and tough searching the bottom of the lake near where the car was found, but at least IMO, I feel it is well worth investing in some good sonar and dive teams to search fairly close to the vehicle area and just really hone in on anything that could be a person submerged.

I was kind of thinking of a scenerio where he went to the water because he was injured and wanted to use the water to help him get relief from the injuries. It would probably be what I would do if I was hurting from a car wreck. Getting some cool relief from the water if he was under a lot of pain from the injuries. So thinking maybe he was actually in the water and then maybe his injuries were so severe, that he succombed to them while in the water.

If he isnt found in the water, and it is thoroughly searched, then that could give renewed hope that he may still be alive and just missing.

Maybe a thorough search was already done, but it wouldnt hurt to try again as well because I am sure it is easy to miss things as well. Especially if the lake is deep near where his car was found. I would focus searching fairly close to the car area, and then work outwards as time allowed.

I totally agree re: a better/more thorough lake search being needed. LE seems pretty convinced that he did leave the park, so I'm hoping they have solid evidence that justifies not searching the lake more. Otherwise I just don't feel like it can be ruled out. IIRC they searched down to depth of 80', but parts of this lake are much deeper. I haven't been there but it doesn't exactly look like a small lake, either - LOTS to search.

I keep thinking of this story from 2011. I know the circumstances are way different (this guy was scuba diving), but he was in a lake known for its crystal clarity and wasn't found for 17 years: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/09/us-diver-body-idUSTRE7785WI20110809

"Body of missing Lake Tahoe diver found 17 years later

The remarkably well-preserved body of a scuba diver who sank and vanished 17 years ago in Lake Tahoe has been found on an underwater ledge deep in the mountain lake, authorities said on Tuesday.

The body of Donald Christopher Widecker, 44, was pulled from Lake Tahoe on July 27, four days after a group of divers stumbled across it while exploring a granite cliff 270 feet below the surface.

Widecker sank into the frigid lake on California's border with Nevada on July 10, 1994 after apparently suffering a medical or equipment problem. He had not been seen since."

 

[nikb]

I should add re: my previous post, I realize it's completely unrealistic to search Lake Tahoe 100%. I think it'd be basically impossible. From what I've read it seems like a complete search of Castaic might be daunting, but possible.

 

[Seajay]

How many searches did they do of the lake? And how do we know it was not good enough?

I can see hocking your house to find your kid, but you can also hock your house and never find your kid. Then you have no kid, you are broke and don't have a place to live. I dunno. All these decisions have lasting consequences and should not be made lightly or rashly. IMO.

 

[slowpoke]

Whatever happened with our Buttonwillow bunch, who were planning a sleuthing expedition there? I guess it didn't happen? If not, I just want to say that I still appreciated the effort and thought for attempting to go above and beyond. :tyou:

It is so maddening that with all the facts that we do have in BL's timeline of actions, we still just don't have enough to understand his intentions or mindset as he began his drive south. We have quite a lot of facts, actually, I think, but the problem is that when you put them altogether, it's more puzzling rather than clearer.

 

[nikb]

How many searches did they do of the lake? And how do we know it was not good enough?

I can see hocking your house to find your kid, but you can also hock your house and never find your kid. Then you have no kid, you are broke and don't have a place to live. I dunno. All these decisions have lasting consequences and should not be made lightly or rashly. IMO.

Re: your question, I'm not sure how many searches. I always felt it wasn't good enough because I remember reading they searched to 80' deep and the lake is 330' deep in some spots (the reference for the 330' is here: http://www.castaiclake.com/upperlake.html). Unfortunately 80 is too short of a search term, but I'll keep digging to see if I can find that info again.

 

[nikb]

Well, here's one reference to the 80'... doesn't have the original reference link attached, still looking for that, but I wanted to pass along what I found so far.
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[shadowinlaguna]

JMO
As much as I hope he is still alive, I agree that searching the lake would be where I would want to focus. Mainly because I don't think it was searched well enough right at the very beginning. I may be wrong, but from what I read at the very beginning, it seems a lot of the search efforts did not consider the water too much at first because the vehicle was not submerged, but was on dry land.

I think later on, the water was searched, but just not sure of how thorough a job was done. It is probably very complicated and tough searching the bottom of the lake near where the car was found, but at least IMO, I feel it is well worth investing in some good sonar and dive teams to search fairly close to the vehicle area and just really hone in on anything that could be a person submerged.

I was kind of thinking of a scenerio where he went to the water because he was injured and wanted to use the water to help him get relief from the injuries. It would probably be what I would do if I was hurting from a car wreck. Getting some cool relief from the water if he was under a lot of pain from the injuries. So thinking maybe he was actually in the water and then maybe his injuries were so severe, that he succombed to them while in the water.

If he isnt found in the water, and it is thoroughly searched, then that could give renewed hope that he may still be alive and just missing.

Maybe a thorough search was already done, but it wouldnt hurt to try again as well because I am sure it is easy to miss things as well. Especially if the lake is deep near where his car was found. I would focus searching fairly close to the car area, and then work outwards as time allowed.

The water is 350 feet or so at certain points. I use to go fishing there with my dad. I think it would be pretty difficult to search that deep. I know the police said they just searched the outer banks way back in the beginning Bc he wouldn't have gotten that far out. I mean unless he swam that would make sense. There use to be a lot of dumped items in the lake back in the day. I dot know if that's changed. From what has been said that would be the only reason his body wouldn't have risen up yet.

 

[sarx]

Hi guys, been swamped all weekend, but wanted to add a few thoughts.

A non-disclosure agreement is (or should be) standard on any search all the time. It protects everyone, slows down the rumor mill, and prevents things from being taken out of context.

While it is always frustrating when a search doesn't find the person you are looking for, the silver lining is that these are now areas that can be marked off as "not there", which is very important in keeping an organized and systematic focus going. Little by little you keep chipping away.

It is natural for things to "quiet" down on the web. That doesn't mean at all that it has quieted down behind the scenes. I think that the one thing that is very clear is that the family and members of the community are not going to give up until they bring Bryce home, and while that is taking some time, it will happen.