CA - California couple accused of tricking women into carrying babies through surrogacy; 21 children seized

[Diddian]

However, all the children and surrogacy contracts in this case appear to be with one couple. It would be interesting, though, to know about the children's birth certificates...

I think this is possibly a 'psycho' case. Some rich women cannot stop buying designer shoes, perhaps when you can just buy babies and nannies, you start to treat them as just status objects.

Do we know if this is true; has testing been done to verify biological paternity or maternity or is that so far based solely upon their words and/or the written contracts with the surrogates (which could misrepresent maternity/paternity)?

 

[Izzylizzy]

Did this fertility clinic do all the implants?

Western Fertility Institute - Encino​

Remember this?

Octomom's fertility doctor lost his license.

Octomom Nadya Suleman’s doctor, Michael Kamrava, loses medical license after long investigation

More than two years after the birth of Nadya (Octomom) Suleman’s eight children, the doctor who implanted her with 12 embryos has had his medical license revoked.Dr. Michael Kamrava was banne…

www.nydailynews.com

 

[Cedars]

DBM

 

[Cedars]

Do we know if this is true; has testing been done to verify biological paternity or maternity or is that so far based solely upon their words and/or the written contracts with the surrogates (which could misrepresent maternity/paternity)?

From here:

Makes way more sense now...

Turns out they're actually the biological parents of the children. At first I thought the couple were facilitating some kind of ring.

Wondering if the parents will also press charges against the nannies? moo.

 

[SophieRose]

Did this fertility clinic do all the implants?

Western Fertility Institute - Encino​

Remember this?

Octomom's fertility doctor lost his license.

Octomom Nadya Suleman’s doctor, Michael Kamrava, loses medical license after long investigation

More than two years after the birth of Nadya (Octomom) Suleman’s eight children, the doctor who implanted her with 12 embryos has had his medical license revoked.Dr. Michael Kamrava was banne…

www.nydailynews.com

Western Fertility Institute also has another US location in Arcadia, as well as international sites in Taiwan and Shanghai, China.

 

[mickey2942]

Apparently, it is not illegal to have as many children as you want by surrogates in the United States. The issue is care for the children.

Hopefully, CPS will verify that the remaining children are safe, and being taken care of. And the injured baby will be okay.

People can have as many kids as they want in the United States. Whether or not it seems crazy. I don't understand it. I

 

[whiterhino]

From here:

The link I was referring to isn't included in your quoted post. That article is linked in the post I was replying to. Just FWIW/ FYI.

Also may have spoken too soon about the traffic ring... It's still very confusing and suspicious. jmo..

 

[Stunned]

What is mystifying to me though, is the age of the kids who were removed. Not all are babies, many are toddlers up to three years old. As @Stunned asked up thread, I would like to know the ages/sex of the kids in CPS custody.

In China, I believe their 1979 One-Child policy is still in effect. Males to carry on the family name and care for aging parents, are preferred.

That's exactly why I was asking. Where these children meant for an Asian market? It might be easier to purchase a child than to take time off work now to have one in today's world?

 

[Shamrock1]

I am not a fan of "surrogacy". It is not unlike prostitution to me, and that is illegal in most places. The whole thing is exploitative. Rich folks, paying women to use their bodies as a nine month incubator.

Are all of the babies linked genetically to this couple? Or is it an even deeper scenario?

Gestational surrogates are not genetically related to the child. Most American clinics will not permit the surrogate to be related to the child. Many also require that the surrogate have children of her own and may even require the applicant to submit an essay about why she wants to be a surrogate. For some families, it took three people to create their child: surrogate, egg donor, sperm donor.

Not all people who build their family via surrogates are particularly wealthy, as evidenced by the fact that most clinics also offer loans. Any many clinics won’t permit surrogacy unless the would-be mother cannot safely carry a pregnancy to term.

JMO.

 

[Cedars]

That's exactly why I was asking. Where these children meant for an Asian market?

Asians do not buy and sell children any more than Whites do.

 

[musicaljoke]

It seems likely this is a case of using surrogacy to gain US citizenship (by birthright) for children of foreign couples willing to pay substantial sums for that privilege. Once that child with dual-citizenship reaches age 21, their foreign parents can then apply for Green Cards and eventually gain U.S. citizenship for themselves.

Wealthy Chinese seek U.S. surrogates for second child, green card

Wealthy Chinese are hiring American women to serve as surrogates for their children, creating a small but growing business in $120,000 "designer" American babies for China's elite.

www.reuters.com

MSN

Hmm... seems like a lot of bother when there are other ways to seek citizenship.

 

[Stunned]

Asians do not buy and sell children any more than Whites do.

That was not meant as an insult.

 

[musicaljoke]

dbm

 

[Stunned]

China has a three child policy. The one child policy ended in 2016.

Thank you, was not aware of that change.

 

[mickey2942]

Hmm... seems like a lot of bother when there are other ways to seek citizenship.

Yes. Fly from Beijing to Tijuana, Mexico daily. Go to the border and request asylum.

Daily flights from Beijing to Tijuana Direct (non-stop) flights from Beijing to Tijuana - schedules - FlightsFrom.com

 

[airportwoman]

Did this fertility clinic do all the implants?

Western Fertility Institute - Encino​

Remember this?

Octomom's fertility doctor lost his license.

Octomom Nadya Suleman’s doctor, Michael Kamrava, loses medical license after long investigation

More than two years after the birth of Nadya (Octomom) Suleman’s eight children, the doctor who implanted her with 12 embryos has had his medical license revoked.Dr. Michael Kamrava was banne…

www.nydailynews.com

I don't want this thread to turn political in any way, but some people believe that women should have carte blanche regarding their reproductive options. This is one of the results of that.

 

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[Stunned]

So where were the babies supposed to go?

 

[Dotta]

So where were the babies supposed to go?

It looks like trafficking babies "business" IMO

Child harvesting - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[musicaljoke]

It looks like trafficking babies "business" IMO

Child harvesting - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Were there any babies missing? I haven't read that anywhere yet. From what I see they were accumulating their own babies for themselves. I don't believe that is illegal. More likely there is some kind of insanity at work here.