CA - Chelsea King (17) Rancho Bernardo (north San Diego County) #1

[sarx]

Have they brought cadaver dogs in to that area? They can be taken on boats and smell through the water to help pinpoint if a body was "pushed" into deeper water.

 

[soyesterday]

YOU GO GIRL - keep up that fight! You're important and so is everyone else he has/will hurt. Good for you!!!!!! :furious:

Thank you too so much...really....

 

[Starry Night]

God in Heaven bless the searchers-what a relentless group of human beings.

 

[TheMentalist]

I pulled this thread up in a search and then realized it has nothing to do with Chelsea King at all. I guess Im desperate for an update on this poor girls fate.

http://www.thelondondailynews.com/p...-update-shot-dead-ipcc-investigate-p-563.html

 

[Billylee]

Do we know where on the map they found the hoodie?

 

[nadjatheresa]

Correct - it's the orange cop guy on my google map and it's called Hernandez Hideaway - it's on the NORTH side of the lake.

That is the most awesome map you created on google! And it is very easy and clear to reference it when looking at your photos and get a good perspective on the area.

Thank you so much for the amazing work!

 

[Curious Me]

Psychics having a vision of common trees is not enough in this case. For those who are interested in seeing some of the Astrological charts having to do with Amber Dubois which is the other case JAG is being investigated for doing you'll want to check out what Tuba and Soulscape have to say.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4868010#post4868010"]Forensic Astrology - CASE BRIEFINGS only - Page 16 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[Ghostwheel]

Is that from a PR firm?

Wouldn't LE have a pretty good database?

I can speak to this. Not really. Different LE has different format for their databases, they don't all talk nice to each other all the time (a field from one database gets jumbled up when sent to another branch of LE, for example). Sometimes, information gets lost in cyberland.

 

[TheMentalist]

After thinking about day Chelsea went missing...how fast the parents responded...then law enforcement....I am starting to wonder if the SO could of been hiding with Chelsea until nightfall. Maybe then sneaking out of the park and dropping her clothing in the process of trying to flee. Just a thought as the clothing was found the next day not the first day of her abduction.

 

[TravelingBug]

Almost done with the map, they're also (news chopper 10) showing the end of Moonsong Court.

That's where the trail access from Poblado then runs past and overlooks the marshy area, the waterfall area, and basically is the opposite perspective of the search photos I took yesterday.

This photo shows the end of Moonsong. The lowest house (which is toward the middle of the photo on the very left) is the end of the cul-de-sac where there is additional trail access from an open space between homes. It's also marked on my map as a COP area.

 

[soyesterday]

KNSD (news 7) at 4:

The search is now RECOVERY not rescue.

Some of her clothing was found along the shoreline and that had his DNA on it.

Neighbors are outraged.

Witnesses say his pants were wet and a bit muddy from the knee down.

Neighbors are angry that the description from the December attack (which they ARE saying was JAG) wasn't made public because they would have found him before this.

They mention his history and his fascination with very young girls (which doesn't fit Chelsea or the other runner - and makes me increasingly thankful nothing happened at the elementary school right by JAG's family's home)

Chelsea's parents are still hoping she will be found.

Searchers and the community are even more determined to find answers and to find her, even with news of the arrest. Even Chargers players came out to search. (Way to go community!! Way to rally for one of our own!)

Her family is currently meeting with the DA to know what they will be facing.

JAG will be arraigned tomorrow.

They said it was a very rough day at Poway High and most of the campus (and community - per my own observations out and about) was dressed in blue and emotions are very high and parents are very concerned and worried about their own kids.

OMG i'm so angry right now....
It really makes me wonder....i hope i say this right...what i'm thinking....what makes a child molester turn into a murderer?...like should we always consider someone who is capable of molesting a child capable of murder?...it's so hard to understand.....
like being abused myself for so many years....i want to do what i have to do to keep him from doing it again...even though i know he won't be in jail for very long and he'll just be out like all the others are.....but i honestly can't imagine him capable of murder.....what makes them go that much further to actually take someone's life???
I hope i explained that right...
and also....i'm so frustrated that there are people out there that think these people won't ever do it again....WHY????

 

[sarx]

There was evidence at Moonsong Ct area earlier, which would make sense as to why the chopper was there. This is the same area as where the divers are correct?

 

[TravelingBug]

KFMB (8) at 5:30:

says neighbors in Lake Elsinore are worried for their children if someone that people knew in their neighborhood, who many thought was a nice guy who helped with his gparents at times, turned out to be this horrible guy.

They're showing the chopper very low again blowing the brush back. The chopper landed for a bit and now is up again but very very low.

They intend to search all night still, and are bringing out lifeguard crews in the morning to do more diving.

 

[jnTexas]

OMG i'm so angry right now....
It really makes me wonder....i hope i say this right...what i'm thinking....what makes a child molester turn into a murderer?...like should we always consider someone who is capable of molesting a child capable of murder?...it's so hard to understand.....
like being abused myself for so many years....i want to do what i have to do to keep him from doing it again...even though i know he won't be in jail for very long and he'll just be out like all the others are.....but i honestly can't imagine him capable of murder.....what makes them go that much further to actually take someone's life???
I hope i explained that right...
and also....i'm so frustrated that there are people out there that think these people won't ever do it again....WHY????

My thoughts on that after being on this site for almost 2 years is. They move on to murder to cover up the crime. Getting rid of the witness so they cannot testify.
Why people think they won't do it again is beyond me.

 

[TravelingBug]

Have they brought cadaver dogs in to that area? They can be taken on boats and smell through the water to help pinpoint if a body was "pushed" into deeper water.

Still saying nothing about cadaver dogs.

 

[Ghostwheel]

After thinking about day Chelsea went missing...how fast the parents responded...then law enforcement....I am starting to wonder if the SO could of been hiding with Chelsea until nightfall. Maybe then sneaking out of the park and dropping her clothing in the process of trying to flee. Just a thought as the clothing was found the next day not the first day of her abduction.

I think not, as the park was packed with Search and Rescue that night, and we don't know exactly when anything was found. They weren't saying anything, if you remember, trying not to tip their hand and have a suspect disappear before they were ready to arrest. At least, that's what I get out of it.

 

[TravelingBug]

KGTV (10):

They have their helicopter now hovering over the Poblado access point - the yellow $ on my map that I reference often - showing cops holding people out from going down there because it leads to the area of intensive search.

 

[sarx]

they're fast running out of light for the helicopters to do that effectively.

 

[TravelingBug]

After thinking about day Chelsea went missing...how fast the parents responded...then law enforcement....I am starting to wonder if the SO could of been hiding with Chelsea until nightfall. Maybe then sneaking out of the park and dropping her clothing in the process of trying to flee. Just a thought as the clothing was found the next day not the first day of her abduction.

I don't think so, based on knowing that neighbhood very well.

People would be out in their yards every time helicopters came over on a boring day just to watch - helicopters hovering as they were Thursday night would have attracted A LOT of attention, and there are A LOT of homes with a 'front row view' of what's going on right now - meaning the area where something apparently happened Thursday.

I think the reason evidence wasn't found until Friday late afternoon is because the initial search was almost TOTALLY of the mindset that this was a SAR of a runner who had gotten injured or something on the trails. They were focusing MUCH closer to the park initially, and the area that juts out by the bridge by the freeway, and the area by the Green Valley Bridge off of West Bernardo, and the front part of the park.

As soon as they worked farther out - the area where the evidence was found and the activity is now - they started finding evidence. The first seeming to have been the shoe and pedometer.

 

[TheMentalist]

OMG i'm so angry right now....
It really makes me wonder....i hope i say this right...what i'm thinking....what makes a child molester turn into a murderer?...like should we always consider someone who is capable of molesting a child capable of murder?...it's so hard to understand.....
like being abused myself for so many years....i want to do what i have to do to keep him from doing it again...even though i know he won't be in jail for very long and he'll just be out like all the others are.....but i honestly can't imagine him capable of murder.....what makes them go that much further to actually take someone's life???
I hope i explained that right...
and also....i'm so frustrated that there are people out there that think these people won't ever do it again....WHY????

IF ...ONLY...we could understand the pathological mind of a sex offender but I dont believe they can