CA - Chelsea King (17) Rancho Bernardo (north San Diego County) #3

[Mick]

ITA about the sports bra--those are hard enough to get on and off when you do it every day!
Maybe he had a knife and cut it off.

Think there's any chance she knew she was had, and said he could have her sexually and cooperated to a point if he promised to not hurt her??

 

[Mick]

For those that don't know, the Ortega connects Orange and Riverside counties in the shortest distance. But it is also a very dangerous drive. It takes longer to drive around the hill instead of through it but it is safer and more reliable. An accident will shut down the Ortegas for hours.
I had a client in Murrieta and took the Ortega a couple times a week to go out there. Man that is a white knuckle drive sometimes.

It is fabulously beautiful and when it can be done leisurely it is a lovely drive. But as a commute it stinks.

Are you familiar with the Hot Spring on Ortega Hwy, I was mentioning, JBean??

 

[Voice4theSilent]

ITA about the sports bra--those are hard enough to get on and off when you do it every day!
Maybe he had a knife and cut it off.

Not to get into a lengthy discussion about underwear :crazy: but there are many different kinds of sports bras (zip front, back closure, over the head, etc.) that some would be harder to remove then others. Maybe a knife was used, maybe he had her remove it, maybe he yanked/tore it off, etc. Too difficult to tell without more information on the type.

 

[secretagent]

quote from the article:

"Becky Sangha's chilling account of coming face to face with Chelsea King's accused killer started as she drove into the park. She spotted an inebriated man stumbling up an embankment, who later accosted her along a trail"

I think this is just a poorly written article. At least that sentence is very poorly written. It makes it sound like see saw him twice - once when she was driving in and then again when her "acosted her" on the trail - which wasn't what happened as stated later on. It says he was walking toward them reather quickly - but nothing of "acosting her". Remember we can't rely on the all the media. I want to see a different reporter's account of this woman's story.

I think the "accosted" part is related to chelsea, the sentence os poorly structured and confusing.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

My boyfriend grew up in Lake Elsinore and we go out there to shoot guns all the time and hike with our dogs. Although there has been an enormous amount of growth there in the past 20 years, there are miles and miles of desolete desert there and in the surrounding areas. It would be the perfect place to dump a body.

When I was over there last I noticed a large desolate stretch that borders a campground along the north side of the lake (along the road that leads to the Ortega Highway) that is closed off to the public (chainlink fence with huge gaps.) No one was at the campground and the entire area looked abandoned. Not a bad place to start.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

Not picking on you CLUCIANO- but I am afraid when people are saying oh well i am happy he is cought and done with his dirty deeds. This person may or my not spend the rest of his life locked away. We have seen many miscarriages of justice and I fear that he may see the light of day again., I hope you are right, but I worry. There seem to be a lot of bleeding hearts out in CA

He won't be going anywhere. Bleeding hearts or not, no one is going to let this monster walk if his DNA is on her clothing. If Scott Peterson was convicted no way in the world this guy will ever see the light of day outside of a jail cell ever again. More than likely he will get sentenced to death (and more than likely he will die in prison of old age before they actually get around to executing him.)

 

[JBean]

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[sniperacer]

When I was over there last I noticed a large desolate stretch that borders a campground along the north side of the lake (along the road that leads to the Ortega Highway) that is closed off to the public (chainlink fence with huge gaps.) No one was at the campground and the entire area looked abandoned. Not a bad place to start.

It is closed off now because it flooded a few years ago. Like we said, Lake Elsinore varies water level greatly.

 

[Mick]

When I was over there last I noticed a large desolate stretch that borders a campground along the north side of the lake (along the road that leads to the Ortega Highway) that is closed off to the public (chainlink fence with huge gaps.) No one was at the campground and the entire area looked abandoned. Not a bad place to start.

Is it 'unoccupied' at the moment or what?

Another place that keeps sticking in my mind is below the restaurant that's on the side of the hill, as one starts dropping down to Lake Elsinore. Is that place still there? It used to be a take off point for hang gliders too.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

I think the "accosted" part is related to chelsea, the sentence os poorly structured and confusing.

No, I think they are saying the man she saw approached her in a bold manner (walking towards her quickly while staring at her) which is why they are saying he "accosted her." It is a major stretch (and a bad choice of a word to describe what she said the man did, in my opinion.)

I do not know if the walking trails wrap ALL the way around the lake or if there are even walking trails over near the restuarant side of the lake but this woman could be telling the truth. I think people are reading too much into the story because the news tried to make it more than it actually was (or at least tried to elude it was because of where this lady saw Gardner that Chelsea's body was found.) I don't think she is saying that on Sunday she was walking on the same trail that Chelsea was on and Garnder approached her in the same area that he had buried Chelsea. Apparently the police believed her enough to bring her back out there.

 

[JBean]

I can testify first hand the Ortega Hwy drive is a blast in a Vette.

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Oh you are guy that was on my tail.


let's break the dicsussion out to threads guys! Someone start an Ortega Hwy thread. This thread will close today.

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[sniperacer]

Is it 'unoccupied' at the moment or what?

Another place that keeps sticking in my mind is below the restaurant that's on the side of the hill, as one starts dropping down to Lake Elsinore. Is that place still there? It used to be a take off point for hang gliders too.

Yes. Local stopping join for motorcyclist. Everything you remember in Lake Elsinore is still there - it has not changed much, except grow.

 

[passionflower]

The San Diego U-T published a background article on JAG today.

Here's the link:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/06/deeply-troubled-picture-emerges-of-suspects-life/

Here's an excerpt:


The article is fairly well balanced, establishing the facts of a troubled life without trying to evoke sympathy.

Fantastic article............JG really had a hard time separating from father at age 10. (Mom's 2nd marriage)
His resentment to his mother must of been her divorse & next 2 marriages
He has 2 sisters (older) from her 1st marriage.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

Is it 'unoccupied' at the moment or what?

Another place that keeps sticking in my mind is below the restaurant that's on the side of the hill, as one starts dropping down to Lake Elsinore. Is that place still there? It used to be a take off point for hang gliders too.

Yes, the Lookout Roadhouse is still there (my husband and I just had a nice lunch up there out on their patio awhile back!) I thought of that restaurant when they were describing the one they arrested Gardner in front of. I wonder if he ate in the Lookout Roadhouse before?

He is the link to their site: http://www.lookoutroadhouse.com/

The campground was open but maybe there was one or two sites occupied in the entire place. We were checking it out as a possible summer camping getaway but when I saw that stretch of the lake and how desolate it was, coupled with it being closed to the public and in a sort of dissaray I got a bit nervous about the area.

 

[JBean]

Fantastic article............JG really had a hard time separating from father at age 10. (Mom's 2nd marriage)
His resentment to his mother must of been her divorse & next 2 marriages
He has 2 sisters (older) from her 1st marriage.

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[sniperacer]

Oh you are guy that was on my tail.


let's break the dicsussion out to threads guys! Someone start an Ortega Hwy thread. This thread will close today.

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Yes, that is me. And I think I'll delete it soon. I'm shy.

No, lets not start an Ortega thread. Nip it in the bud.


Edit: Post and picture is gone, you had your chance.

 

[Mick]

Yes, the Lookout Roadhouse is still there (my husband and I just had a nice lunch up there out on their patio awhile back!) I thought of that restaurant when they were describing the one they arrested Gardner in front of. I wonder if he ate in the Lookout Roadhouse before?

He is the link to their site: http://www.lookoutroadhouse.com/

The campground was open but maybe there was one or two sites occupied in the entire place. We were checking it out as a possible summer camping getaway but when I saw that stretch of the lake and how desolate it was, coupled with it being closed to the public and in a sort of dissaray I got a bit nervous about the area.

Yes, I thought of that restaurant when they were describing the one they arrested Gardner in front of too. Magic minds?? Great minds running in the same direction?? If I was searching the restaurant area, I'd be sure to search up hill too, and not just down hill from there.

Gardner is an 'empty' person, and he seems to have a desire to fill himself near at least the crime scene of Chelsea's. I might suspect symbolic cannibalism.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

Yes, I thought of that restaurant when they were describing the one they arrested Gardner in front of too. Magic minds?? Great minds running in the same direction?? If I was searching the restaurant area, I'd be sure to search up hill too, and not just down hill from there.

Gardner is an 'empty' person, and he seems to have a desire to fill himself near at least the crime scene of Chelsea's. I might suspect symbolic cannibalism.

Uphill would more than likely be the direction to go as downhill there are several residences that take up a large chunk of that land. IMO there are WAY too many places he could have driven along that highway, pulled off the side of the road (without anyone driving by him for a while) and thrown anything over the side of one of those railings never to be seen again. Whenever I make that drive my skin starts to crawl a little thinking about the history there, both known and unknown!

 

[Voice4theSilent]

Yes, I thought of that restaurant when they were describing the one they arrested Gardner in front of too. Magic minds?? Great minds running in the same direction?? If I was searching the restaurant area, I'd be sure to search up hill too, and not just down hill from there.

Gardner is an 'empty' person, and he seems to have a desire to fill himself near at least the crime scene of Chelsea's. I might suspect symbolic cannibalism.

I hadn't thought of that....I was thinking maybe just a comfortable place to overlook his victim and relive the crime.

 

[JBean]

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