CA - Child Raped By As Many As 10 College Athletes, Police Say

[Paladin]

College athletes and athletes in general.

No! You're generalizing an entire group of people! Atheletes are not predisposed to causing trouble or doing "crazy stuff."

Idiots cause trouble and do "crazy stuff". They just happen to be atheletes in this case.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

No! You're generalizing an entire group of people! Atheletes are not predisposed to causing trouble or doing "crazy stuff."

Idiots cause trouble and do "crazy stuff". They just happen to be atheletes in this case.

I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that beginning in jr. high school, SOME coaches let them get away with just about anything. Most of the bullying we hear about in jr. high involves athletes. When they get on to high school, it continues, and by the time they in college they think they're God. I'm not saying all of them are. My son is an athlete. But if kids can get away with something they know it and they'll take it as far as they can.

 

[Paladin]

Two arrests have been made in the Saturday attack

Does CNN know something we don't? They are categorizing this as an attack without providing any information as to why this may be so.

 

[txsvicki]

Yes, but wouldn't you want a steeper penalty for someone who forcibly, with violence rapes a 11 year old child, versus someone who does the same, but without force, without violence? Both crimes are high on the despicable scale, but still, doing it to an unwilling child is even worse than to one who has been persuaded, bribed or fooled into cooperating.

Heck no, I wouldn't want any steeper or lower penalties for any child molester. Isn't this what people are now trying to fight? Getting a child to keep quiet about the rape and abuse is how many pedophiles and child molesters operate without getting caught. People molest kids, they should rot in prison not get a slap on the wrist. I don't think any 11 year old looks older than age 18. That's a favorite age for child molesters. Those guys deserve what they get.

 

[Paladin]

I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that beginning in jr. high school, SOME coaches let them get away with just about anything. Most of the bullying we hear about in jr. high involves athletes. When they get on to high school, it continues, and by the time they in college they think they're God. I'm not saying all of them are. My son is an athlete. But if kids can get away with something they know it and they'll take it as far as they can.

Sorry I went off...I think when I read "in general" I blew a gasket. Sports is a big part of highschools, but the behavior associated with them has more to do with the chuckleheads coaching them than the actual act of playing sports. Sure, maybe atheletes have a bit more confidence than others, which can lead to arrogance.

When I was in high school I got jumped by 2 football players (I was a band geek), and their coach, who was also a teacher, saw this, and just walked back into his classroom instead of intervening. I'll never forget that.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Does CNN know something we don't? They are categorizing this as an attack without providing any information as to why this may be so.

I'm not sure what you mean. The girl said she was attacked, led them to the apartment where it occurred and possibly did some sort of line up. You know the drill. She's 11. If there was ANY contact whatsoever, its rape. She cannot consent. Even if she could consent, I seriously doubt that she's consent to 10 at one time. She obviously was very upset when she ran out of there.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Sorry I went off...I think when I read "in general" I blew a gasket. Sports is a big part of highschools, but the behavior associated with them has more to do with the chuckleheads coaching them than the actual act of playing sports. Sure, maybe atheletes have a bit more confidence than others, which can lead to arrogance.

When I was in high school I got jumped by 2 football players (I was a band geek), and their coach, who was also a teacher, saw this, and just walked back into his classroom instead of intervening. I'll never forget that.

That sucks and that's exactly what I mean. The coaches want to win. Here in Texas, football is not just a sport. This is hardcore football country. My son, luckily is on the football team and in the band. So, I doubt he'll ever get jumped on, but as a parent whose at just about every extra-cirricular activity at two schools, its pretty easy to see that the athletes are the ones who get physical off the field. You hardly ever see the band treating one another roughly as the athletes do. I asked my son once about slamming into another player at full speed and how could he do it. He just smiled and said it was "awesome." LOL I guess us girls will never understand.

 

[Wudge]

That sucks and that's exactly what I mean. The coaches want to win. Here in Texas, football is not just a sport. This is hardcore football country. My son, luckily is on the football team and in the band. So, I doubt he'll ever get jumped on, but as a parent whose at just about every extra-cirricular activity at two schools, its pretty easy to see that the athletes are the ones who get physical off the field. You hardly ever see the band treating one another roughly as the athletes do. I asked my son once about slamming into another player at full speed and how could he do it. He just smiled and said it was "awesome." LOL I guess us girls will never understand.

Notice that the crimetainment denizens did not pick up this story, which almost assuredly means the eleven year old girl was not black and the players white. I researched Fresno's team; it would seem to have a good number of black players, but no reporter has yet written about race (as they did in the Duke case).

 

[William N]

The details so far are scarce, but some of the suspects are alleged to have told their lawyer something like, "She looked tall and developed for 11 years old." Still, for this case to go anywhere, there will have to be DNA or forensic evidence of some kind.

 

[Pepper]

My region of California sure seems to get national headlines these days.

First let me say that this is terrible, and I in no way support the perps, but what has come out locally is that this 11 yr. old girl and a 15 yr. old companion ran away from a group home shortly before this incident. It also appears that the 11 yr. old looked to be much older, and gave her age as 17 to one or more of the young men. Police are still looking for the 15 yr. old, who was apparently not molested, but could provide information in the case.

Two men (age 19 and 20) have been arrested in the case, and police are questioning several more juveniles. They are awaiting DNA tests before charging anyone else.

 

[William N]

Something I forgot to mention in my above post. The eleven year old girl is white and the football players are black.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Notice that the crimetainment denizens did not pick up this story, which almost assuredly means the eleven year old girl was not black and the players white. I researched Fresno's team; it would seem to have a good number of black players, but no reporter has yet written about race (as they did in the Duke case).

The two arrested so far are black, so my assumption is that she is as well. Could be wrong, but I'll wait and see.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Something I forgot to mention in my above post. The eleven year old girl is white and the football players are black.

Really? Where did you hear this? That shot my theory out of the water.

 

[Pepper]

Notice that the crimetainment denizens did not pick up this story, which almost assuredly means the eleven year old girl was not black and the players white. I researched Fresno's team; it would seem to have a good number of black players, but no reporter has yet written about race (as they did in the Duke case).

Pictures of the 2 arrested are in today's paper. They are both black. The 15 yr. old girl runaway with the 11 yr. old victim is also pictured and named. The 15 yr. old girl appears to be Hispanic. No information on the race of the 11 yr. old victim.

As a point of clarification, these alleged football players are from Reedly College and Fresno City College, NOT Fresno State.

 

[William N]

I stand corrected. Someone had seen a picture of the AV from the neck down and said she looked white. This means that we aren't certain, except that she isn't black.

 

[Wudge]

Pictures of the 2 arrested are in today's paper. They are both black. The 15 yr. old girl runaway with the 11 yr. old victim is also pictured and named. The 15 yr. old girl appears to be Hispanic. No information on the race of the 11 yr. old victim.

As a point of clarification, these alleged football players are from Reedly College and Fresno City College, NOT Fresno State.

Thanks, I missed seeing their pictures. I wonder how many of the other seven or eight guys are black, and now I am really wondering what race the eleven year old girl is.

 

[GlitchWizard]

I think whatever the race of the victim, she's going to be afraid of men of ALL races after this. :-(

 

[Paladin]

I'm not sure what you mean. The girl said she was attacked, led them to the apartment where it occurred and possibly did some sort of line up. You know the drill. She's 11. If there was ANY contact whatsoever, its rape. She cannot consent. Even if she could consent, I seriously doubt that she's consent to 10 at one time. She obviously was very upset when she ran out of there.

I think I confused myself. I was referring to the guy advising the players that even if she gave consent she is 11 so it is not consent. That crossed some wires in my mind and led me to believe that maybe she did give consent of some sort and that the players didn't literally attack her.

I had a Mt. Dew today and the sugar + caffeine is facilitating me skipping words and setences of pertinent information.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I think I confused myself. I was referring to the guy advising the players that even if she gave consent she is 11 so it is not consent. That crossed some wires in my mind and led me to believe that maybe she did give consent of some sort and that the players didn't literally attack her.

I had a Mt. Dew today and the sugar + caffeine is facilitating me skipping words and setences of pertinent information.

Makes sense, especially when you consider that we've heard that she may have actually told them she was older (16 maybe??). I can't though, bring myself to the place where any of them would think that she wanted to have any "sexual contact" with 10 OF THEM though and if she wasn't willing, I would think it would have been pretty apparant to them in a short amount of time. One day I hope we hear how she came to be in the group home and why she ran away from there. I just think as a society, we need to take better care of our kids - all of the kids. I see nothing in this little girl's future that is sunshine and roses. How will she possibly overcome all she's gone through in 11 short years??

 

[Paladin]

This really does remind me of a concern of mine. Young girls these days really do look ALOT older than they really are. Really, with some of the provacative clothing and makeup that parents let thier daughters wear, it's really no surprise to me that this 11 year old looked 16+. I'm not saying that makes things alright, but it definitely makes things more difficult in determining if someone is of legal age or not.

Then again, all those guys had to do was ask her how old she was. Even then, she could have lied, and it would have made no difference as they would have gotten in trouble anyway.

I somehow suspect she gave consent to maybe one or two guys to fool around and she got scared when it got out of hand and that's when she ran outside.