CA - Christopher Dorner kills 4 in tri-county rampage, Feb 2013 - #1

[CJMAJORGIRL24]

Unless he has a medical condition associated with the development of delusions, he fits the criteria for Delusional Disorder, subtypes grandiose and persecutory. Will he live long enough for anyone to make this diagnosis? Likely not.
http://med.kufauniv.com/dr/arfat/lectures/Delusional Disorder.pdf


Diagnostic criteria for 297.1 Delusional DisorderDiagnostic criteria for 297.1 Delusional Disorder
(DSM IV - TR)
A. Nonbizarre delusions (i.e., involving situations that occur in real life, such as being followed, poisoned, infected, loved at a distance, or deceived by spouse or lover, or having a disease) of at least 1 month's duration.
B.*Criterion A*for Schizophrenia has NEVER been met. Note: Tactile and olfactory hallucinations may be present in Delusional Disorder if they are related to the delusional theme.*
C. Apart from the impact of the delusion(s) or its ramifications, functioning is not markedly impaired and behavior is not obviously odd or bizarre.*
D. If*mood*episodes have occurred concurrently with delusions, their total duration has been brief relative to the duration of the delusional periods.*
E. The disturbance is not due to the direct physiological effects of a*substance(e.g., a drug of abuse, a medication) or a general medical condition.*

bbm--there's the exception

While I'm sure a "sane" person wouldn't go on a killing spree and put an entire state/country in panic mode, I hope that someone out there is saving that manifesto and checks into his claims. Last night, on Nightline-they had the father of the man that was mistreated in front of him, and he said he tried to warn him what would happen to him for telling the truth.

Please don't think that I am feeling sorry for him, I am not. I just think that some of these things can be fact checked. It won't stop whats happening now-but it might stop something in the future.

 

[MsFacetious]

Yes, yes, yes! I understand and agree 150%!!! Where I live is the very same, and an innocent cop might just get shot just knocking on a door. People ARE scared, paranoid. I understand why its important to knock on doors...i'm just not sure that it is smart to send out black officers. Makes me sad to even type that

It's true... it's sad... but true. I don't even know if it's possible to do that... but I hope they can.
But I'd also be sending BOTH cops to the door. Not just one. :twocents:

 

[popsicle]

While I'm sure a "sane" person wouldn't go on a killing spree and put an entire state/country in panic mode, I hope that someone out there is saving that manifesto and checks into his claims. Last night, on Nightline-they had the father of the man that was mistreated in front of him, and he said he tried to warn him what would happen to him for telling the truth.

Please don't think that I am feeling sorry for him, I am not. I just think that some of these things can be fact checked. It won't stop whats happening now-but it might stop something in the future.

Agree. I hope this isn't swept under the rug. Just in reading some of the appeal it is obvious IA didn't do their job in investigating that excessive force claim of his. To me, this whole thing is just disgusting.

 

[MsFacetious]

Just a thought... if anyone is up in the search area... I would suggest not being out walking around, going to the store, whatever.
Your footprints will simply be another clue that the officers have to follow and eliminate.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198228&page=14

 

[katydid23]

While I'm sure a "sane" person wouldn't go on a killing spree and put an entire state/country in panic mode, I hope that someone out there is saving that manifesto and checks into his claims. Last night, on Nightline-they had the father of the man that was mistreated in front of him, and he said he tried to warn him what would happen to him for telling the truth.

Please don't think that I am feeling sorry for him, I am not. I just think that some of these things can be fact checked. It won't stop whats happening now-but it might stop something in the future.

They interviewed the bellhop and the employee of the hotel who saw the arrest themselves. Neither of them saw the female officer kick the homeless man.
Why would either of them lie about that?

And when the man was seen by medics, he had no physical evidence of being kicked in the face. And there was no evidence on his clothing of being kicked on the chest. They were standing in dirt---there would have been dirty boot prints if the officer had kicked him there.

And when the homeless man was interviewed by medics he never said anything about being kicked. And this killer never said anything about it either, for two weeks, even after being interviewed and asked the very specific questions about it.

So I think it is kind of a stretch to assume that the witnesses from the hotel, who saw the arrest, would lie to cover up police brutality. JMO

 

[katydid23]

Agree. I hope this isn't swept under the rug. Just in reading some of the appeal it is obvious IA didn't do their job in investigating that excessive force claim of his. To me, this whole thing is just disgusting.

Were the bellhop and hotel employee lying when they said they never saw the training officer kick the homeless man?

 

[CJMAJORGIRL24]

Agree. I hope this isn't swept under the rug. Just in reading some of the appeal it is obvious IA didn't do their job in investigating that excessive force claim of his. To me, this whole thing is just disgusting.

It is terrible. It is hard to read, yet I believe that there is truth to his words. I know that there is good and bad in every profession, I never realized how bad it really is...

 

[KALI]

Couldn't he still have police uniforms?
That's a scary thought!


QUOTE=MsFacetious;8829736]More than 100 law enforcement officers are conducting a door-to-door search of homes in the area.
Sheriff's officials say they have two-man teams searching nearly 400 homes, but they're also warning residents not to open their doors unless they know the person or they see a uniformed law enforcement officer on the other side of their doors.

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/inland_empire&id=8985380

So what if he has a uniform and knocks on someone's door? :what:[/QUOTE]

 

[wfgodot]

They interviewed the bellhop and the employee of the hotel who saw the arrest themselves. Neither of them saw the female officer kick the homeless man.
Why would either of them lie about that?

And when the man was seen by medics, he had no physical evidence of being kicked in the face. And there was no evidence on his clothing of being kicked on the chest. They were standing in dirt---there would have been dirty boot prints if the officer had kicked him there.

And when the homeless man was interviewed by medics he never said anything about being kicked. And this killer never said anything about it either, for two weeks, even after being interviewed and asked the very specific questions about it.

So I think it is kind of a stretch to assume that the witnesses from the hotel, who saw the arrest, would lie to cover up police brutality. JMO

Not doubting you a bit but would like to see a link for this info. Also, people regularly claim to have seen nothing. Many times we do not want to be involved.

 

[MsFacetious]

Update on the women who were shot for those who had questions:

The two women who were mistakenly shot by LAPD officers searching for triple murder suspect Christopher Dorner Thursday said they had no warning beforehand, according to the victims’ lawyer.

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Carranza suffered minor injuries to her hand from shattering glass.

Hernandez, who was shot in the back, is in ICU at Harbor-UCLA Medical Center.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013...nhunt-for-ex-cop-chris-dorner-had-no-warning/

 

[CJMAJORGIRL24]

They interviewed the bellhop and the employee of the hotel who saw the arrest themselves. Neither of them saw the female officer kick the homeless man.
Why would either of them lie about that?

And when the man was seen by medics, he had no physical evidence of being kicked in the face. And there was no evidence on his clothing of being kicked on the chest. They were standing in dirt---there would have been dirty boot prints if the officer had kicked him there.

And when the homeless man was interviewed by medics he never said anything about being kicked. And this killer never said anything about it either, for two weeks, even after being interviewed and asked the very specific questions about it.

So I think it is kind of a stretch to assume that the witnesses from the hotel, who saw the arrest, would lie to cover up police brutality. JMO

I have never read that, katydid! I did read what the victim's father said-

Dorner said that in the course of an arrest, Evans kicked suspect Christopher Gettler, a schizophrenic with severe dementia.

Richard Gettler, the schizophrenic man's father, gave testimony that supported Dorner's claim.


After his son was returned on July 28, 2007, Richard Gettler asked 'if he had been in a fight because his face was puffy' and his son responded that he was kicked twice in the chest by a police officer.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...riddled-coin-vendetta-LAPD.html#axzz2KLr3fmao

I don't understand why the dad would lie? -I think it should all be revisited, might not help this situation, but it might prevent another one.

 

[jjenny]

While I'm sure a "sane" person wouldn't go on a killing spree and put an entire state/country in panic mode, I hope that someone out there is saving that manifesto and checks into his claims. Last night, on Nightline-they had the father of the man that was mistreated in front of him, and he said he tried to warn him what would happen to him for telling the truth.

Please don't think that I am feeling sorry for him, I am not. I just think that some of these things can be fact checked. It won't stop whats happening now-but it might stop something in the future.

Excuse me. The father of the man that was supposedly mistreated is not a witness to anything. He didn't see the incident in question. And his son is described as a schizophrenic with dementia. So that doesn't make the son a very good witness either. But witnesses who were there, apparently claim the didn't see the female police officer do anything.

 

[jjenny]

I have never read that, katydid! I did read what the victim's father said-

Dorner said that in the course of an arrest, Evans kicked suspect Christopher Gettler, a schizophrenic with severe dementia.

Richard Gettler, the schizophrenic man's father, gave testimony that supported Dorner's claim.


After his son was returned on July 28, 2007, Richard Gettler asked 'if he had been in a fight because his face was puffy' and his son responded that he was kicked twice in the chest by a police officer.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...riddled-coin-vendetta-LAPD.html#axzz2KLr3fmao

I don't understand why the dad would lie? -I think it should all be revisited, might not help this situation, but it might prevent another one.

The father was not there. He didn't see anything.

 

[nomoresorrow]

They interviewed the bellhop and the employee of the hotel who saw the arrest themselves. Neither of them saw the female officer kick the homeless man.
Why would either of them lie about that?

And when the man was seen by medics, he had no physical evidence of being kicked in the face. And there was no evidence on his clothing of being kicked on the chest. They were standing in dirt---there would have been dirty boot prints if the officer had kicked him there.

And when the homeless man was interviewed by medics he never said anything about being kicked. And this killer never said anything about it either, for two weeks, even after being interviewed and asked the very specific questions about it.

So I think it is kind of a stretch to assume that the witnesses from the hotel, who saw the arrest, would lie to cover up police brutality. JMO

Hi Katydid, do you have a link for this info you've provided ^? TIA

 

[thefragile7393]

I am disgusted by the eagerness of some to give credence to the accusations of a madman. This guy didn't live a peaceful life then suddenly go berserk because he was "wronged". His manifesto shows that he has spent his entire life feeling justified in using violence any time he sees fit. Only an idiot believes that they have the right to beat someone because they said something. We don't even know if the kids he admits to beating up in school really said what he claims they said. That is probably just his standard excuse whenever he got caught fighting.




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One can have a ton of issues and be capable of not lying. For instance, LAPD does have a well-documented history of corruption. He clearly had issues long before his firing, long term deep seated issues and resentments and a grandiose sense of self....and maybe what he says about those work related issues are true. Maybe not. I personally like picking apart stories and researching people's claims. I like abnormal psychology and learning why people do what they do and that includes keeping an open mind as to what is truth and what isn't-and everyone and anyone is capable of lying and capable of telling the truth, Nutjob or not.
It's not like anything he says, thinks, or feels will EVER justify anything he has done.


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[eileenhawkeye]

Update on the women who were shot for those who had questions:

The two women who were mistakenly shot by LAPD officers searching for triple murder suspect Christopher Dorner Thursday said they had no warning beforehand, according to the victims’ lawyer.

-----------------

Carranza suffered minor injuries to her hand from shattering glass.

Hernandez, who was shot in the back, is in ICU at Harbor-UCLA Medical Center.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013...nhunt-for-ex-cop-chris-dorner-had-no-warning/

I'm glad to see they have retained lawyers. They deserve to be compensated greatly for medical bills, rehabilitation, and any mental anguish they suffered due to being shot at 20+ times, and probably thinking they were going to die.

 

[katydid23]

Hi Katydid, do you have a link for this info you've provided ^? TIA

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Here is the appeal Dorner filed pertaining to his Board of Rights hearings if it hasn't already been posted. You can read first hand the testimony from the different individuals involved, the decision and the evidence.

 

[popsicle]

I later went to a Board of Rights (department hearing for
decision of continued employment) from 10/08 to 1/09. During this BOR hearing a video
was played for the BOR panel where Christopher Gettler stated that he was indeed kicked
by Officer Evans (video sent to multiple news agencies). In addition to Christopher
Gettler stating he was kicked, his father Richard Gettler, also stated that his son had
stated he was kicked by an officer when he was arrested after being released from
custody.

 

[huckleberryhound]

I think the boat-stealing and truck-burning are false trails he layed for police to keep them busy while he is really somewhere far away by now. Since he has said he is targeting the families of those he thinks wronged him, I hope they are also protecting family members who live in other places than LA, who may be much more vulnerable right now without the massive police presence that is going on in LA.

 

[nomoresorrow]

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Here is the appeal Dorner filed pertaining to his Board of Rights hearings if it hasn't already been posted. You can read first hand the testimony from the different individuals involved, the decision and the evidence.

Thank you much katydid - I'm new to this story so still reading up...