CA - Christopher Dorner kills 4 in tri-county rampage, Feb 2013 - #1

[jjenny]

There's no evidence he's left. How did he get off the mountain?

Stole a car? Carjacked a car?

 

[katydid23]

I don't think they believe he is still there on the MT, because the search crews went from 100 strong to just 50. I think they believe he escaped and is down below on one side or the other. I think he went back towards LA though.

 

[Bree0372]

I am sorry, but LE are humans too. I don't understand the argument that it's somehow better than DC sniper because he is targeting those in LE. And he already made it clear that those unnamed LE are his target.

But he stated in his manifesto who his target was. The DC sniper didn't write a manifesto. He shot whoever was in his sight when he pulled the trigger.

 

[nomoresorrow]

I am sorry, but LE are humans too. I don't understand the argument that it's somehow better than DC sniper because he is targeting those in LE.

Where exactly did you read the word "better" used or even remotely suggested in HC's post? Please do tell... TIA ~

 

[LinasK]

I think he is stuck on the mountain without a plan.:twocents:

 

[jjenny]

But he stated in his manifesto who his target was. The DC sniper didn't write a manifesto. He shot whoever was in his sight when he pulled the trigger.

He has many targets, including civilian relatives (children) of those who in his mind wronged him. Also unnamed LE who try to stop him.

 

[jjenny]

But he stated in his manifesto who his target was. The DC sniper didn't write a manifesto. He shot whoever was in his sight when he pulled the trigger.

Supposedly DC sniper was eventually going to shoot his ex-wife the same way so he could get the children.

 

[Bree0372]

He has many targets, including civilian relatives (children) of those who in his mind wronged him. Also unnamed LE who try to stop him.

Absolutely, but Dorner stated that in his manifesto. LEO and their families are his target. The DC sniper didn't have a "target". There's no comparison other than they're both killers.

Dorner didn't just wake up and decide to do this. He has this planned out. He's had 5 years to plan this.

 

[LinasK]

Absolutely, but Dorner stated that in his manifesto. LEO and their families are his target. The DC sniper didn't have a "target". There's no comparison other than they're both killers.

Dorner didn't just wake up and decide to do this. He has this planned out. He's had 5 years to plan this.

Yeah, but his most likely "trigger" (hate to use that term in this instance), was his discharge from the navy on Friday. It wasn't by his choice. That's what set him off.

 

[katydid23]

I think he is stuck on the mountain without a plan.:twocents:

I think he was scrambling around on there mountain---but I believe he might have escaped the area now. The search crews have been cut from 100 to 50. I don't think they would do that if they had any evidence he was still on the mountain. JMO

 

[Herding Cats]

OK, I understand what you're saying now.

NO, of course it's not "better." People - humans with lives, with families, with friends, have been coldbloodedly murdered, and it's horrific and unconscionable.

I don't mean it's better. And I don't believe LE and families deserve this, by any stretch of the imagination.

But the difference I am trying to state (and apparently poorly, at that...for which I'm truly sorry) is that the DC Sniper did things randomly; he didn't know who he was going to kill that day...just sat down and sniped at whomever got into his sights on his rifle.

Dorner, however, is NOT at all random. He is very specific in who he is intending to kill and already has killed. He is going after LE and their families, not random people who happen to be in his sights on his scope.

Let me try to explain it a different way. When a serial killer (and this guy is a serial killer) operates, he generally has an idea of who is going to go after. The Green River Killer, for example, killed prostitutes. His reasoning (as far as it goes) to target prostitutes is that they're hard to account for in regular life, are transient for the most part, and his personal experience with prostitutes while he was overseas in the service. The lady next door was not going to be his victim, not because of anything she did, but because he had a victimology that worked for him. And, considering the number of women killed and the length of time he went without being caught...well...that worked out in his favor.

Now, Dorner is similar. He very specifically is targeting law enforcement personnel and their families. He is not looking to kill random people, as they are not in his victim profile. He is specifically looking to kill those in LE and/or their families, but won't be selecting 'just anyone'.

The DC Sniper killed at random. Anyone he decided to kill - most often only when they came into his sights. There was no "justification" or reason...he just wanted to kill, and he did. Women, men, children...not all one race, either. All over the board.

That is the difference, in my mind. It's not random. His target is LE. I'm not his target; I'm not LE. Dorner is not shooting randomly; there has to be a victimology for him to shoot - LE is his selected target.

Does that help clear up my position?

And again, I feel compelled to state that in no way do I support Dorner. He needs to be taken down, or taken out...and I fully support LE in doing their jobs in general, and here in specific.

Hope that helps clear things up a tad...

Best-
Herding Cats

 

[Bree0372]

Supposedly DC sniper was eventually going to shoot his ex-wife the same way so he could get the children.

That happens every day (or so it seems) with many. IMHO there's no comparison between the two.

 

[LinasK]

I think he was scrambling around on there mountain---but I believe he might have escaped the area now. The search crews have been cut from 100 to 50. I don't think they would do that if they had any evidence he was still on the mountain. JMO

Maybe they can't afford all the overtime. They also don't have any evidence he left, but there was info. last night on the scanner thread to indicate otherwise...

 

[jjenny]

That happens every day (or so it seems) with many. IMHO there's no comparison between the two.

Well, supposedly DC sniper was shooting other people so when he shot his ex-wife police would think she was a random victim.

 

[katydid23]

I kind of HOPE he is still in BB, because I feel like he will eventually be caught if he is trapped on that mountain. He cannot go out in public because he will be recognized, and he needs to try and steal a vehicle, which might not be that easy anymore.

I do worry that he can ambush those LE search crews, if he is holed up in a cabin and they walk up the driveway to search it.

 

[i.b.nora]

Here is a new good article which seems to fairly (imo) summarize Dorner's troubled history in the police department:

LAPD records: Fugitive Christopher Dorner had troubled tenure

By Eric Hartley, Staff Writer
Posted: 02/09/2013 02:47:15 PM PST
The Sun-San Bernardino and Inland Empire

"Hundreds of pages of court records, which include confidential Internal Affairs reports, detail a pitched struggle between Christopher Dorner and the Los Angeles Police Department.
Almost from the beginning of his employment the seeds of Dorner's 11,000-word manifesto, which details his grievances against the department, were sown.

His troubles began as a Police Academy recruit in February 2006. It was then Dorner filed an official complaint, saying two other recruits had made "ethnic remarks," an investigator wrote. The department found one recruit made such a comment, but the other had not."

Much much more...

Read more: http://www.sbsun.com/news/ci_22556719/untitled#ixzz2KRt0daM8

 

[Linda7NJ]

I hope he freezes to death, cold and alone.


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[LinasK]

I hope he freezes to death, cold and alone.


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Someone else just suggested that! Calling him a "perp popsicle", LOL!!!:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[TGIRecovered]

Maybe they really did not cut back to just 50 officers in BB. Maybe they want him to think that they've cut way back so he'll come up for air.


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[Paulette]

LE may not have any evidence he left BB, but he was prepared. IMO, he always planned to blow up the truck - therefore he had another vehicle secreted somewhere & he dragged his guns and stuff to it & fled to parts unknown, since the truck would be detected and that blew his plan to attack LE in BB. Just a thought.