CA - Christopher Dorner kills 4 in tri-county rampage, Feb 2013 - #3

[Herding Cats]

It is too early to say whether someone will collect a $1.2 million reward following the possible death of a man believed to be Christopher Dorner on Tuesday in the San Bernardino Mountains.
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In addition, the rules for determining how the reward will be distributed haven't been sorted out, said a spokeswoman for Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa.

"The reward distribution is a very complicated process," said Vicki Curry, senior press secretary for Villaraigosa.

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http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_22578063/too-early-say-if-someone-will-get-1

Oh, I would seriously be furious if the reward is not distributed equally between the housekeepers and the guy who was carjacked.

Seriously pissed. And that would be a flashpoint here in Los Angeles...and, unfortunately, tensions are already very high concerning this incident.

I never have liked Villarigosa. He's a jerk.

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[gramcracker]

Those two women are very lucky he was so focused on LE. I'm not sure why LE didn't lock it all down and tell cleaning crews not to enter any empty cabins.

the reason was $$$$$$$$, the local ski/tourist economy

IMHO they should have closed the ski slopes entirely or at the very least they should have offered only half-day availability. there was a lot at stake that can't be valued monetarily

 

[jjenny]

Quoting myself here, in case it got lost on the last page. I hope this finally puts to bed the mistaken assumption that it is the f-word that some of us find disturbing.

I don't find it disturbing. LE is only human after all.

 

[Starry Night]

Those two women are very lucky he was so focused on LE. I'm not sure why LE didn't lock it all down and tell cleaning crews not to enter any empty cabins.

That's a stretch......keep pondering that.

 

[jjenny]

They haven't even verified that the body is Dorner yet. Hardly seems like a time to be "seriously pissed" over reward not being distributed yet.

 

[gramcracker]

My generation, gen X, probably drops the F word more than most, lol. For the third or fourth time, it is not the swear word that is disturbing! :banghead:

I'm generation 50s-60s, I drop that word, and I agree that the word is not the issue

 

[time]

the reason was $$$$$$$$, the local ski/tourist economy

IMHO they should have closed the ski slopes entirely or at the very least they should have offered only half-day availability. there was a lot at stake that can't be valued monetarily

I agree! I really can't believe they didn't close off the whole area.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I am on the fence here. It seems like they could have waited him out...since he apparently didn't have hostages or anything like that. Then again, with his bragging about "unconventional and asymmetrical warfare" maybe it was best to be aggressive and end it. Plus nightfall was closing in...

 

[Gardenlady]

I don't find it disturbing. LE is only human after all.

Of course they are. But LE, and any arm of the government that is charged with upholding the law and meting out justice must be held to a higher standard. Especially the arm that is - literally - armed!

Law enforcement cannot mete out justice, or carry out killings, deliberately, like a hit squad or a mob of angry citizens. There is something wrong in the organization if a mIndset like this is found to be pervasive. It's not good for any of us, law abiding citizens and criminals alike.

 

[jjenny]

I am on the fence here. It seems like they could have waited him out...since he apparently didn't have hostages or anything like that. Then again, with his bragging about "unconventional and asymmetrical warfare" maybe it was best to be aggressive and end it. Plus nightfall was closing in...

He had gun or guns. Just because he is in the cabin, doesn't mean he is harmless.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Of course they are. But LE, and any arm of the government that is charged with upholding the law and meting out justice must be held to a higher standard. Especially the arm that is - literally - armed!

Law enforcement cannot mete out justice, or carry out killings, deliberately, like a hit squad or a mob of angry citizens. There is something wrong in the organization if a mIndset like this is found to be pervasive. It's not good or any of, law abiding citizens and criminals alike.

I wonder if he was able to run out of the building?

 

[Voice4theSilent]

Let me try it this way. It isn't the "****er" part that's disturbing, it's the wish for him/it to "burn" that is disturbing.

So if that comment came from someone who was there, specifically, to burn the building if necessary then there is something wrong with that individual stating "Burn the building."? It isn't unheard of for LE to burn a structure in such incidents so why would someone giving a command to burn a building be dangerous, a terrible mindset and disturbing?

I thought your problem was with the use of the "f" word, I apologize. If you disagree with LE using their available resources to flush murderers out of buildings then we will just have to agree to disagree on that.

 

[deoneta]

If we weren't talking about a murder spree, armed carjacking and kidnapping would probably strike most as fairly heinous crimes. These victims were spared because they posed no immediate threat, but that doesn't mean they weren't terrorized. Donner also didn't manage to murder everyone he shot, but it wasn't for lack of trying. He was a menace to society as a whole, not just those on his "hit list." All MOO

 

[bourne]

Well, the problem here is the gray areas. It's not about LE being perfect or being Boy Scouts (oh, wait, that doesn't exactly work anymore)... it's about certain boundaries just should not be crossed I don't care how damned upset they are. They are there to take extraordinary life or death risks everyday so WTH?

Can you give examples of what you mean, and what you believe LE should have done?

 

[Gardenlady]

I wonder if he was able to run out of the building?

I thought yesterday that one media source said he tried to exit the back, but was driven back in.

 

[shadowraiths]

Foxnews just says that Dorners' california drivers license was ON the body found in the cabin. Which is actually weird since the body is charred? DL's can survive a fire?

Excluding the obvious, it was too hot for them to enter, but the DL allegedly survived? Iow how Foxnews managed to forget that dorner's identification were allegedly found near the San Ysidro border crossing, on or around the 7th ( link ). Then again, perhaps they think he dropped by the Marshal's office to pick them up before taking off to Bear Canyon.

 

[believe09]

Waited him out? He had just taken out two more members of LE and prior to that was holding two people hostage.

Somehow I have the impression that if they had waited him out and there were more casualties, or if he had escaped, there would be howling that they should have neutralized him when they could.

I think it can be argued that LEO's were being victimized by a domestic terrorist, and we dont bash victims here. I wish we would show support, in fact, to the men and women who risked everything.

 

[bourne]

Of course they are. But LE, and any arm of the government that is charged with upholding the law and meting out justice must be held to a higher standard. Especially the arm that is - literally - armed!

Law enforcement cannot mete out justice, or carry out killings, deliberately, like a hit squad or a mob of angry citizens. There is something wrong in the organization if a mIndset like this is found to be pervasive. It's not good for any of us, law abiding citizens and criminals alike.

I'm not understanding. You don't believe LE is justified in killing Dorner -- if in fact Dorner didn't take his own life or set the fire -- even though immediately upon hiding in the cabin he had shot two officers, one of whom has died? And he had also threatened carnage to LE and their families in his manifesto and actually killed several in the process?

 

[Elley Mae]

I thought yesterday that one media source said he tried to exit the back, but was driven back in.

Correct That is what I heard as well. He shot one from the front door then went to exit the rear and the second officer was there, he shot him then went back in side. iirc

 

[Gardenlady]

So if that comment came from someone who was there, specifically, to burn the building if necessary then there is something wrong with that individual stating "Burn the building."? It isn't unheard of for LE to burn a structure in such incidents so why would someone giving a command to burn a building be dangerous, a terrible mindset and disturbing?

I thought your problem was with the use of the "f" word, I apologize. If you disagree with LE using their available resources to flush murderers out of buildings then we will just have to agree to disagree on that.

Because wishing to burn the cabin, with a human being inside it, shows a wish to kill, rather than simply take the suspect into custody. It is not LEs job to serve justice. That is up to the courts.

Because wishing to jump to burning the cabin, rather than using other, less dangerous means of ensuring the safety of both the suspect and the public, gives the impression that LE is going beyond merely enforcing the law, and into the realm of revenge.