CA - Christopher Dorner kills 4 in tri-county rampage, Feb 2013 - #3

[jjenny]

1 min The Associated Press ‏@AP
BREAKING: Sheriff's office: Autopsy shows former cop Dorner died from single gunshot wound to the head -RJJ

Sounds like suicide.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

I completely disagree. Don't offer a reward with a caveat that it will only be paid if the suspect is convicted when everyone knows that won't happen.

That is not cool, that is deceitful. I have no problem with what LE did but the reward thing was hokey at best. Not okay at all.

The INTENT of the reward was to LOCATE the dangerous threat and put a stop to the threat, the fact they can say "Oops....he died...no reward now!" is utter b_s.

The kidnap and carjack victim/s COULD have waited a few hours before reporting the incident, if they had who knows how this would have ended.

I don't have the specific quote in front of me right now so please correct me if I am mistaken....didn't LE state (PRIOR to Tuesday) that the reward was for information leading to the capture and conviction of Dorner?

Didn't most of us here think (PRIOR to Tuesday) that Dorner wasn't going to be taken alive?

I would absolutely agree with you if they stated that the reward would be given to anyone who helps them locate the dangerous threat and put a stop to the threat and then, after he committed suicide in the cabin, turned around and stated that they were changing the terms of the reward (which is what you are stating occurred.)

Does anyone have a link to the LE presser (or a direct quote from LE) in which the terms of the reward were given?

 

[gramcracker]

I did visit the Big Bear ski resort website and posted a link prior to Tuesday when people were erroneously stating it was a Free Ski law enforcement day. I understand that he could have used a scope to pick off specific targets BUT what people aren't explaining to me is if all of his intended LAPD targets were sequestered they sure weren't going skiing. Which leaves LE that he didn't know (which he clearly stated he would not harm in his manifesto...though we now know he didn't mind straying from what he had promised.) How would he know which were LE and which weren't? He couldn't, which would mean he was planning on shooting and murdering non-LE and non-LE family members (which many have already pointed out didn't fit his MO.)

IIHO I do not believe he could have gotten off of that mountain if he had just shot and killed skiers. Yes, there are numerous dirt roads all over that area however evading police and police helicopters when on one would have been impossible. He would have a MUCH better chance of using the main paved roads to escape than to try and maneuver his truck over those dirt roads at a high speed without LE being able to spot him from a helicopter and simply block any means he had of getting out of the area, however I find that an impossible scenario as well. I don't think he planned on getting off of that mountain alive, based on his behavior and his own words in his manifesto, and therefore have a hard time believing, if that was his intent, that he wouldn't have modified it a bit but still stuck to his main objective.

It is definitely going to be interesting to hear all of the information that we aren't privy to at this moment as I am sure LE has some idea of why he ended up in Big Bear. I originally thought his plan went sideways when he was spotted in Corona and from there he decided to kill the first unsuspecting LEO he could find to draw even more attention to himself but I was also positive he wasn't still on that mountain; thank God LE knew he was still up there and didn't stop their search.

Like you said, Big Bear might have been his intended destination from the beginning or an after thought after being spotted in Corona; hopefully we will find out, or perhaps we will never know.

Thanks for the response.

the Corona/Riverside shootings in SB county led me to think that he had moved on from his original LAPD/LA county targets to any LEO. the MO he started w/ was negated when he left LA county and rampaged elsewhere

the silencers and flash suppressors fit my theory and would buy extra time for an off-road escape, IMO. and altho we disagree, your opinion is well-reasoned and provides food for thought. TY
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spoke w/ the ex and he said when he worked for FEMA he did some disaster training in conjunction w/ SB county. he called his former supervisor who said SAR dogs, if requested, most likely would have been dispatched to BB from the Rialto airport via helicopter, about a 15 minute trip. FEMA guy said the presence of snow would likely narrow the number of dogs available for assignment because some like snow work and some don't and that, w/ the right dog(s), snow would not impede a search

 

[Voice4theSilent]

LE did NOT know that he was still up on the mountain.

LE was telling people on the street that they believed he was long gone.
LE had started to dismantle their command post by the time they realized he was still on the mountain.
LE had narrowed down to 25-50 officers up there. They wouldn't do that if they truly believed he was up there.

The thing to be grateful for here is that a couple decided to clean up their cabin.
That is the real reason we know where Dorner is today.

If they hadn't... we may very well still be sitting here wondering where Dorner was while he sat in the same cabin.
Or we may be dealing with more shootings, because he may have gotten off the mountain after LE left.

That couple is what revealed Dorner's location. Not LE. Not Dorner. That couple. It's just that simple. :twocents:

BBM Do you have a link to this information?

LE searched and searched and searched up there way beyond when I, and most others on here, thought he was long, long gone. They may have reduced the number of officers in Big Bear but they didn't pull them all. And they were still searching in the immediate area of where the condo was located.

We don't know why Dorner came out of that condo. He could have stayed for days in there with that couple tied up. They discovered him but they definitely didn't capture him (LE DID! and for that, I am extremely grateful.) I believe he knew it was just a matter of time before they closed in on him and the last place he wanted to be when they did was in that condo. Something made him bolt in the middle of the day in a stolen purple van with little gas (if the reports I heard are correct) and I doubt it was because he was afraid of the couple he had tied up in that condo.

:twocents:

 

[i.b.nora]

the Corona/Riverside shootings in SB county led me to think that he had moved on from his original LAPD/LA county targets to any LEO. the MO he started w/ was negated when he left LA county and rampaged elsewhere

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I was under the impression that one of his targets resided in Corona or thereabouts and thats specifically what put him there.

Also, there were other known targets in Orange County, besides Monica and her fiancé.

 

[bookboarder]

It is very possible that an LAPD target lived in Corona. While it's a brutal commute to LA, it is done daily by some folks. I even did the commute-- when my little sister was sick and I was needed close to home--when I went to USC. It was a gnarly trek [sometimes over 2 hoours because of traffic]. I knew several officers from LAPD and the LA county sheriff's department that lived in the area.

Thanks for the info on the silencers/suppressors. I think i have a much better understanding now as before it was all a little unclear to me.

I'm still wondering about the automatic weapons. In the clip posted, you definitely hear a more muffled but automatic weapon firing. Then, it sounds like the LEOs fire some type of auto. weapon as well. It definitely sounds like automatic weapons firing from both "sides" at one point in the shootout.

 

[popsicle]

Anderson Cooper is doing a show on this case now.

 

[CountryGirl]

I have to wonder what he ate from Thursday-Tuesday. Rental cabins don't come with stocked fridges.

 

[scorekeeper]

Sounds like suicide.

I totally agree. He knew he wasn't getting out of the cabin because HE refused to surrender. LE gave him ample time to walk out. He chose his "way" out. I have another name for him but I will keep it to myself.

I have no problem with the way LE handled this situation. I salute them.

Prayers to the families/friends that lost loved ones because of this .

JMO

 

[Lois Lane]

Orange County search warrant and affidavits re murders of Monica Quan and Keith Lawrence:

http://documents.latimes.com/dorner-manhunt-affidavit-search-warrant/

Link to the same docs in pdf format:

http://media.nbclosangeles.com/documents/dorneirvineaffidavit.pdf

 

[CJMAJORGIRL24]

LE did NOT know that he was still up on the mountain.

LE was telling people on the street that they believed he was long gone.
LE had started to dismantle their command post by the time they realized he was still on the mountain.
LE had narrowed down to 25-50 officers up there. They wouldn't do that if they truly believed he was up there.

The thing to be grateful for here is that a couple decided to clean up their cabin.
That is the real reason we know where Dorner is today.

If they hadn't... we may very well still be sitting here wondering where Dorner was while he sat in the same cabin.
Or we may be dealing with more shootings, because he may have gotten off the mountain after LE left.

That couple is what revealed Dorner's location. Not LE. Not Dorner. That couple. It's just that simple. :twocents:

I believe they thought he was long gone. But no -he was right there in front of their faces all along. We should all be thankful that he didn't kill or harm anyone else.

And I agree-the ONLY reason he was caught was because of the couple. Give em the money ....

Or else-the next time LE finds themselves in this spot, no amount of money in the world will they get community support. With the stipulations that they had on the reward, they KNEW they weren't going to have to pay up. Dorner made it clear he wasn't ever goin to be "prosecuted."

And please don't take my post as I hate LE. That is far from the truth. I just think that there were mistakes made, every department makes them. I hope that they have learned some valuable lessons this time.

My thoughts and prayers are with the families of all who lost their lives ...

 

[katydid23]

I have to wonder what he ate from Thursday-Tuesday. Rental cabins don't come with stocked fridges.

I bet he traveled with some MRE's in his ammo bag. Those pack well and last a long time.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

I was under the impression that one of his targets resided in Corona or thereabouts and thats specifically what put him there.

Also, there were other known targets in Orange County, besides Monica and her fiancé.

Yes, a target lives in Corona. From what I read, the police that were flagged down by the man at the gas station were dispatched to the targeted LEO's home and en route. I believe Dorner was getting gas at the gas station when he was initially spotted.

(I might be splitting hairs but just in the interest of accuracy, Corona and Riverside are in Riverside County, which is adjacent to San Bernardino County, where Big Bear is located.)

It would be interesting to me to know if Dorner fled Corona on the 15 to the 91 freeway or took Magnolia all the way into Riverside. I wonder if he exited the freeway prior to ambushing the Riverside LEOs or if he entered the freeway after shooting them.

Does anyone know if that information is available?

 

[jjenny]

I read that whoever thinks they deserve this award need to apply in writing. Then they will need to decide who gets what. I hope they are not going to use the loophole of him not being arrested/convicted-after all its not the fault of witnesses that he apparently killed himself when cornered.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

I believe they thought he was long gone. But no -he was right there in front of their faces all along. We should all be thankful that he didn't kill or harm anyone else.

And I agree-the ONLY reason he was caught was because of the couple. Give em the money ....

Or else-the next time LE finds themselves in this spot, no amount of money in the world will they get community support. With the stipulations that they had on the reward, they KNEW they weren't going to have to pay up. Dorner made it clear he wasn't ever goin to be "prosecuted."

And please don't take my post as I hate LE. That is far from the truth. I just think that there were mistakes made, every department makes them. I hope that they have learned some valuable lessons this time.

My thoughts and prayers are with the families of all who lost their lives ...

I completely disagree....police don't keep that many resources in one area and continue a search as unwavering as they did, in those conditions, if they think a suspect is "long gone."

I am also very certain Dorner would have been stopped had that couple not stumbled upon him in their cabin.

Reward money is used to motivate people who have information to come forward with that information, not for random citizens to go out and hunt the person down themselves. If I see a wanted criminal I am going to call the police and report them, regardless of whether or not the couple receives this reward or not, and regardless of whether or not a reward is offered for the information that I have. Also, there are plenty of us in Southern California who will support our local LE in doing anything and everything that we can to help keep our communities and our children safe, regardless of this petty issue of the reward money. You think the couple should get the money, the man who owned the vehicle Dorner carjacked feels he is entitled to the money and the couple says they are just glad to be alive and aren't even thinking about the money.

I don't think that people on here complaining about LE hate them I just feel those people are being completely and unrealistically overly critical while inferring a lot, assuming even more, and doing both with only a handful of the facts.

 

[Corvid]

voice4thesilent.......

From the Press-Enterprise 2-11-13 article...

"Authorities say Dorner then drove north on Magnolia Avenue through Riverside until he reached the intersection of Arlington and Magnolia avenues, south of downtown."

 

[Voice4theSilent]

voice4thesilent.......

From the Press-Enterprise 2-11-13 article...

"Authorities say Dorner then drove north on Magnolia Avenue through Riverside until he reached the intersection of Arlington and Magnolia avenues, south of downtown."

Thank you very much!

 

[LinasK]

BBM Do you have a link to this information?

LE searched and searched and searched up there way beyond when I, and most others on here, thought he was long, long gone. They may have reduced the number of officers in Big Bear but they didn't pull them all. And they were still searching in the immediate area of where the condo was located.

We don't know why Dorner came out of that condo. He could have stayed for days in there with that couple tied up. They discovered him but they definitely didn't capture him (LE DID! and for that, I am extremely grateful.) I believe he knew it was just a matter of time before they closed in on him and the last place he wanted to be when they did was in that condo. Something made him bolt in the middle of the day in a stolen purple van with little gas (if the reports I heard are correct) and I doubt it was because he was afraid of the couple he had tied up in that condo.

:twocents:

Very possibly he left when he did because he saw the command post being taken down, and I heard it was a maroon- not purple, Nissan. I think color is open to interpretation by people.

 

[LinasK]

I have to wonder what he ate from Thursday-Tuesday. Rental cabins don't come with stocked fridges.

Some do. I've been in ones that had some essentials, or he may have hunted, gone to a restaurant, or supermarket.

 

[LinasK]

LE searched and searched and searched up there way beyond when I, and most others on here, thought he was long, long gone. They may have reduced the number of officers in Big Bear but they didn't pull them all. And they were still searching in the immediate area of where the condo was located.


:twocents:

BBM
I agree with you, (even though it wasn't the most thorough of searches), that's partly why I thought he was still there. Also, as far as Fish & Wildlife- it would have been stupid to let him continue down the mountain off Highway 38 to the greater L.A. area where more people would have been in danger from this monster. Better to stop him in a more isolated area, where he was cornered, and they knew where he was for the most part. I don't care whether they took him out or it was suicide, and I don't care who started the fire- though I feel for the owners who lost their property. This was a dangerous monster who needed to be stopped at all costs. LE were victims, this is not a time to bash them and be critical of their mistakes. There are plenty of other threads to pick on the LAPD and police brutality in general. And I grew up in L.A.