Still Missing CA - Classic (Orson West, 3) & Cincere (Orrin West, 4) Calif. City, *parents charged* 21 Dec 2020 #7

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"Flores says that his primary task was to keep the Wests in his sight."

I didn't get why he said that. Wouldn't his primary task be to find the missing boys?
Flores may have already sensed TW was not being truthful.
 
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Flores may have already sensed TW was not being truthful.
I agree. I have spent time in California City and there is no where for small children to wander off and remain hidden. There are open spaces between the homes and a lack of vegetation and water in the area, expect for the lake in the town park that was probably already ruled out. There is also no major highway passing through there were some random kidnapper would have picked them up. In a small town like that, I am guessing Flores knows more than he wants to about the town citizens and knew there wasn’t anyone near by who would kidnap or murder anyone. The Wests might have been on his hinkey meter before the boys were reported missing.

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So Court TV is showing the Paltrow case over the two boys missing/murder. I guess the GP case is more entertaining and more viewers. Money is the priority not justice.
MOO.
 
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So Court TV is showing the Paltrow case over the two boys missing/murder. I guess the GP case is more entertaining and more viewers. Money is the priority not justice.
MOO.
Welcome to the United States. :( it's awful.
 
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So Court TV is showing the Paltrow case over the two boys missing/murder. I guess the GP case is more entertaining and more viewers. Money is the priority not justice.
MOO.
Are cameras allowed? I thought not, but with all the cases starting up in the last couple of weeks, I may be mistaken.
 
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Are cameras allowed? I thought not, but with all the cases starting up in the last couple of weeks, I may be mistaken.
I apologize for coming to the thread late. I had not known about there not being cameras allowed.
I would hope Court TV would at least discuss it.
 
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I apologize for coming to the thread late. I had not known about there not being cameras allowed.
I would hope Court TV would at least discuss it.
No apology needed. I'm not even sure whether or not I'm getting the judge instructions right between the cases. I agree completely with you that coverage is lacking overall but just hope that there are some logistical reasons behind it rather than total lack of interest. JMO.
 
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Are cameras allowed? I thought not, but with all the cases starting up in the last couple of weeks, I may be mistaken.
No camera allowed since Feb 2022 when Covid conditions lifted.

And to be fair to Law & Crime and Court TV, no media is in the courtroom covering the Trial but providing updates like all the local news sources.

MOO
 
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No camera allowed since Feb 2022 when Covid conditions lifted.

And to be fair to Law & Crime and Court TV, no media is in the courtroom covering the Trial but providing updates like all the local news sources.

MOO
I think they figure if there's a mistrial it will be much more difficult to find a new jury pool if the trial is videotaped and broadcast. Also, if there's testimony in this trial that won't be allowed in another, they can't unring the bell if everyone has heard or seen it.

But...by not allowing cameras they cause a game of "telephone" to be played and leave a lot of the people interested in the case forever wondering if they have the story straight and if they agree with the outcome.
 
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I think they figure if there's a mistrial it will be much more difficult to find a new jury pool if the trial is videotaped and broadcast. Also, if there's testimony in this trial that won't be allowed in another, they can't unring the bell if everyone has heard or seen it.

But...by not allowing cameras they cause a game of "telephone" to be played and leave a lot of the people interested in the case forever wondering if they have the story straight and if they agree with the outcome.
IMO, it's why we should rely only on reputable reporters covering this case and present inside the courtroom.

IMO, both Bakersfield.com and KGET News have been covering the case from the beginning and are continuing with the trial.


 
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From the article:

[...]

He checked the backyard — where the Wests said the children had been playing — and saw no prints made by a child’s shoe, Officer Brian Hansen testified. There was a shoeprint that appeared to made from a sandal, nothing else.

Hansen, after finding no evidence of children wandering away from the home on Aspen Avenue, again spoke to the Wests.

“This is not a normal situation,” Hansen says in a body-worn camera video that was played in court Tuesday. “These kids didn’t just walk away.”

He told the Wests to tell him the truth.

Trezell West stuck to what he initially told police ... He made reference to the boys being Black and how that was impacting the police response.

[...]
 
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The trial of Trezell and Jacqueline West has started for the day. Currently on the stand is Officer Brian Hansen. Hansen is a patrol officer for the California City Police Department (CCPD). In 2020, he was also a field training officer.

Hansen was one of the two officers who had arrived at the West home when Orrin and Orson West were reported missing. According to Hansen, he was with his trainee (Officer Joshua Flores).

Hansen had contact with the Wests upon arrival, however, he does not remember if he was inside or outside.

While at the house, Hansen says he searched for suspicious things, such as blood or torn clothing, as well as the children

Hansen had searched the backyard for footprints, something he had received on-the-job training for. He discovered one footprint despite being told the children were playing there. He says it was within a couple of feet of the cement slab.

The footprint appeared to match with a pair of "slides" (sandals) that were found by the back door. Orrin and Orson were supposedly wearing Nike sneakers. When Hansen asked about the sandals, Jacqueline said the shoes were hers.

Police body camera footage is being played for the court. Hansen does not recognize if the footage is from his camera or Officer Cabriales' camera.

The body camera shows Hasen telling the Wests that "those kids didn't just walk away" and that there is no evidence of any children even being in the yard in a heated discussion.

"You're being defensive because you're being caught up in the lie," Officer Hansen told West after an argument started after West claimed that he was searching for the children. "You don't even care about the welfare, you're caught up in the lie."

Hansen claims in the video that video footage taken from a surveillance camera across the street shows no boys leaving. He also claims that the video does not show any evidence of Trezell searching for the boys, aside from a quick drive around.

Video footage with no signs of the boys has been played for the court. Hansen confirms that the footage has no signs of the boys in it.

In a video of an interview of Trezell West at the CCPD station, Hansen asks when all six of his children were last home. Trezell claims that they were all together two or three days before he had reported them missing.


In the interview, Trezell describes the moments when he supposedly noticed the boys missing. He says that he was collecting wood while the boys played on the concrete slab in the backyard. When he came back, the gate in the yard was open, according to him.

Trezell describes he and his wife searching for the boys, including the directions he drove while in the van.

Hansen tells Trezell that search dogs were unable to find any trace of the children aside from at the house. He suggests that they may have been taken by a car. Trezell replies by asking if his children were kidnapped before saying "oh, Hell no" and apologizing.

Hansen asks about the boys' biological parents and explains that the possibility of kidnapping was why they asked questions about the biological parents earlier on. Trezell claims that the parents do know where the Wests live.

Trezell claims that his dogs wouldn't just leave the yard despite earlier claiming the gate was closed to stop the dogs from leaving the yard. He then takes back his statement and says that his dog Violet would leave the yard.

Hansen informs Trezell that no cars and no people, aside from a man walking his dog, were seen on the street at all around the time when the boys went missing

The court has entered a 15 minute break.
 
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Court has resumed. Officer Hansen is still on the stand.

The court is being played another video of a police interview with Trezell West.

According to Hansen, he has interviewed the other four West children at a home on Potomac Avenue in Bakersfield. He had woken them up one by one for the interview because they were all sleeping.

The home on Potomac Avenue belongs to Phillip and Wanda West. While there, Wanda was also interviewed along with the children.

A body camera video is playing for the court. In the video, Hansen is visiting the Wests at their California City home after his interview of the four children and Wanda.

In the video, the Wests claim that the last time Wanda saw Orrin and Orson was before they had moved to California City.

During the visit, Hansen asks questions about finances, potential domestic issues, and Christmas presents and toys for the children.

Hansen asks Jacqueline if the boys were playing with chalk when in the backyard. She replies that they should have been.

Jacqueline West explains to Hansen that her mother does not visit often and is not really around.

Hansen tells Jacqueline that "the FBI has us doing all kinds of things" relating to the missing boys before explaining that they (the police department) don't really know what the FBI does, they just get them the things they need.

Jacqueline tells Hansen that Orrin and Orson "cry a lot." Hansen replies "Well yeah. They're what? 4 and 3?"

Jacqueline is asked what day she was married. She replies saying March 2010, but does not know the day. She says that Trezell remembers the day. Officer Hansen is a little shocked and says "I thought everyone would remember their special day."

Officer Hansen asks if the Wests would be willing to take their phones to go through them, however, the Wests say that they need their phones and decline the request.

The court has been released for lunch. The trial will resume at 1:30 p.m.
 
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Officer Brian Hansen of the Cal City PD has taken the stand in the second day of trial for Trezell and Jacqueline West. The Wests are charged with murder and other offenses in the deaths of their adopted sons Orrin, 4, and Orson, 3.

On Dec. 21, 2020, the day Orrin and Orson were reported missing, Hansen went to the Wests home. He had a police trainee, Joshua Flores, with him.

Prosecutor Eric Smith is questioning Hansen about what he saw when he first arrived. The officer said he contacted Jacqueline and Trezell West. They told him Trezell was in the backyard gathering firewood while the children were playing.

The couple told him Trezell lost sight of the children, couldn't find them and looked for them then called police, Hansen said. The officer said he canvassed the area looking for the children.

Spotlights and floodlights on his Chevy Tahoe were used as they searched for the children, Hansen said. He found nothing.

He said they didn't initially search the empty lots but did later. They didn't find anything.

Missing persons cases are "a little more sensitive" than other calls, Hansen said. They have to look at people in the area to see if they took the children wandered off, etc.

Hansen testified for juveniles when searching a home they look under beds and piles of clothes to make sure the children aren't hiding. He said they searched the entire West home that evening.

The backyard was searched for children's footprints leading out to the gate or a different direction.

Hansen said he saw one shoeprint in the backyard.

Prosecutor Smith has displayed a photo of the shoeprint the officer found. It was near the cement slab in the backyard where the kids were supposed to be playing, Hansen said.

He compared slip-on sandals near the back door to the print and they were "almost identical." Orrin and Orson would have been wearing Nike shoes, Hansen said.

Hansen testified he saw no other shoeprints in the backyard. The only other prints were animal prints. There was no trial of prints leading to the back gate area.

There were no prints smaller than the one shoeprint he saw, Hansen testified.

Hansen says he has children and is aware of the shoe sizes they wore when they were around 3 or 4.

There were possible dog tracks throughout the whole area, the officer said.

Hansen said he thinks he asked Jacqueline West whose sandal made the print and she said they were hers. There were no other shoeprints.

Smith is about to play video of an interview Hansen conducted with the Wests that evening.

In the recording, Hansen says, "This is not a normal situation. These kids didn't just walk away."

Hansen tells the Wests they reviewed video footage and there is no evidence of the kids walking away from the house via the side lot.

In the recording, Trezell West sticks to his story. The officer tells him he's being defensive and says Trezell is afraid of being caught up in a lie.

"The vanishing part is the weird part," Trezell says of Orrin and Orson going missing. He says he was getting firewood, noticed the boys missing and searched for them.

Trezell West in the recording says he knows how "people do" when it comes to missing black children. The officer says he's taking it to the "racist route."

Surveillance footage has been played in court from the night of Dec. 21, 2020. Officer Hansen testified he saw no footage of Orrin and Orson walking in the street.

Prosecutor Eric Smith is now playing an interview Hansen conducted with Trezell West at the California City Police Department. Trezell is telling him when they adopted Orrin and Orson.

"When was the last time all six kids were together?" Hansen asks. Trezell says it was either 2 or 3 days earlier.

Trezell says he was only in the backyard about 20 minutes gathering wood. He says he went inside to check the fireplace. When he came back out the kids weren't there, he tells Hansen.

Trezell says in the recording the children were on the concrete slab by his home when he went inside. When he came out they were not on the slab.

Trezell says it dawned on him to back outside to see if the gate was open or closed. He says the gate was open.

He and his wife were anxious, Trezell says in the video, and he got in his van looking for Orrin and Orson. He describes the direction he took as he searched.

Hansen tells Trezell search dogs found no trace of the children anywhere in the immediate area except for the house. "What does that mean though?" Trezell asks. "Meaning maybe they left in a car," Hansen says.

Trezell asks if he's telling him his children were kidnapped, and the officer asks if there has ever been an issue with the boys' biological parents. Trezell says it's always an issue, they know where they live.

In the video, an officer tells Trezell the footage they've reviewed doesn't show any cars moving along his street at the time he says the children went missing.

Asked for his theory on how the children left the house, Trezell says he assumes they left through the side gate.

"The kids were never there," an officer says. Search dogs indicate they weren't outside the house, an officer says in the video.

The only thing caught on camera was a man walking a dog more than an hour before the boys were reporting missing, an officer tells Trezell. The footage showed him walk along the street and leave.

"Let's do what we have to do," Trezell says. An officer tells him about the resources they have showing up.

Trezell leaves the interview room. Prosecutor Eric Smith stopped the video.

Court is in recess for 15 minutes.
 
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Back in session, Officer Brian Hansen says the day after the boys were reported missing he went to a home on Potomac Avenue to speak with the Wests other four children.

Another video is about to be played. This interview occurred after Officer Hansen interviewed the Wests' other children.

Officer Hansen goes back to the West home on Aspen Avenue in Cal City. Both Trezell and Jacqueline are present. The officer has photo lineups for the couple to look at.

One person resembles "the auntie," Jacqueline West says. Trezell agrees.

The officer gets contact information for other West family members. The Wests tell him they previously lived at an apartment in Bakersfield for three years.

Asked when Orrin and Orson last saw her mom, Jacqueline West says right before they moved to California City.

In the video, Jacqueline West says they moved to the Cal City home in mid-September.

Officer Hansen asks about their day-to-day routine. Jacqueline West says it's school and cleaning, feeding the pets. The kids won't get play time or TV if they don't listen, she says.

Asked if they fight or have any money problems, Jacqueline West says they have normal disagreements, but don't fight. She says her husband writes and produces music, and she makes art

She says they don't have money issues but they get more money from the adopted children than what they make.

All the children except Orrin and Orson are in school, Jacqueline West says.

Jacqueline West says her mom never really visited their home, but she would visit her mother.

Officer Hansen is asking again about the timeline of when the children went missing, when she last saw them, her interactions with Trezell after they noticed them missing.

Jacqueline West says she knows of people who would want to take the boys but says they don't know where they live.

Jacqueline West the other children "sometimes" like playing with Orrin and Orson. She says Orrin and Orson cry a lot.

She says she and Trezell got married in 2010.

Their eldest son was born the year they were married and the next a couple years later, Jacqueline West says. The other children were adopted.

An officer asks them for a cheek swab to collect DNA. They agree.

Officers also ask to examine their cellphones. Trezell says they need the phones for communication.

The video has ended.

Prosecutor Eric Smith told Officer Hansen he wants to go over some photos. Hansen says the photos were taken inside the house.

Hansen is describing a diagram displayed in court of the West home and nearby area.

Court is in recess until 1:30.
 
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