GUILTY CA - Classic (Orson West, 3) & Cincere (Orrin West, 4), still missing, Calif. City, *Mistrial on counts 4 & 5)* 21 Dec 2020 #8

[Frodosdojo]

I was shocked to learn today there was no search of the Bakersfield landfill because funds were denied.
Maybe LE had a belief they were buried somewhere in the desert those moving days with TW going back and forth with the U haul.

See I misspelled Alexander Kalaveris's name wrong. I was way off. He is the man in Arlington that the neighbor called in stating he had a child named Orton. ( I believe I read the woman had mental illness )

I am sorry I can not change some mistakes I made. I tried with a MOD but I was unsure what she wanted me to do.
Please forgive me for mistakes in hearing and writing testimony. Tweets should help with that.
There has to be a way to fix my posts.

Regarding the missing watch, I bet it disappeared around the time of the changing of the phones.MOO.

I put the phone call list for the 4 moving days all in one post to make it easier to see.

Curious about them bringing a U haul to the parking lot for the jury to view. What was that about?

Does anyone know anything about the comment about TW and JW driving around in an RV going job to job" One of the officers says this to JW during an interview.

She makes the " It is an unfortunate that the boys are missing but I did not do it" comment when the officer presses her.

JW's explanation about the kids saying the 2 boys were gone was she told them to pretend they were gone because of the crying. This is almost laughable, IMO.

I believe the phone watch was with the eldest son.

So TT is not real. Made up like Zanny Nanny by Casey Anthony. She new she could not blame a real person so tried to make one up they would not be able to find or verify. Trying to leave a doubt in the minds of the jury as to a relative abduction.
And she of of course could not retrieve any info or phone number for TT. Who gives children to a person they hardly know or know where they are taking the kids?

That was laughable. None of that story made sense. She had no name, phone number or address for a woman she didn't know the exact relationship to her kids but she let them stay with her for week ? That alone makes her look like a bad parent, IMO. There is a bio cousin of father CP, RR and Stallings had the audacity to mention her in court. RR is the one who organized searches, billboards, prayer vigils and signs for the boys. She spoke to the Chamber of Commerce and did other interviews. These are things the adoptive family failed at. Wanda and Maria should have been doing these things, IMO.

 

[cvaldez1975]

So TT is not real. Made up like Zanny Nanny by Casey Anthony. She new she could not blame a real person so tried to make one up they would not be able to find or verify. Trying to leave a doubt in the minds of the jury as to a relative abduction.
And she of of course could not retrieve any info or phone number for TT. Who gives children to a person they hardly know or know where they are taking the kids?

a titi is an aunt in Latinx slang. maybe thats what she was trying?

 

[Frodosdojo]

a titi is an aunt in Latinx slang. maybe thats what she was trying?

J is Hispanic herself so there's no excuse for not getting the lady's name.

 

[cuffem]

J is Hispanic herself so there's no excuse for not getting the lady's name.

With just using a nickname or form of a family member she does not have to get locked into a name that can be verified. This way it can be anyone without being sure. It does not even have to mean an Aunt but someone nicknamed TT.

 

[Frodosdojo]

With just using a nickname or form of a family member she does not have to get locked into a name that can be verified. This way it can be anyone without being sure. It does not even have to mean an Aunt but someone nicknamed TT.

I agree that's why she said it but I don't think anyone will buy that story. IMO. I guess she thought it was a good one.

 

[cvaldez1975]

J is Hispanic herself so there's no excuse for not getting the lady's name.

i didnt say there was. i just said thats prob where she came up w TiTi.

 

[cvaldez1975]

With just using a nickname or form of a family member she does not have to get locked into a name that can be verified. This way it can be anyone without being sure. It does not even have to mean an Aunt but someone nicknamed TT.

yes, teh vagueness.

 

[mickey2942]

i didnt say there was. i just said thats prob where she came up w TiTi.

Yeah. I doubt that we will ever see the mystery "Tia" or "TT". Sure, give your kids to someone for a week? But you don't have any contact information for her?

 

[cuffem]

Yeah. I doubt that we will ever see the mystery "Tia" or "TT". Sure, give your kids to someone for a week? But you don't have any contact information for her?

In the interview with Police as they are begging her for any info she can think of, JW tells them she had TT's info but can not find it, possibly because of the move. I think she may have said something about it on the old phone maybe.

 

[mickey2942]

In the interview with Police as they are begging her for any info she can think of, JW tells them she had TT's info but can not find it, possibly because of the move. I think she may have said something about it on the old phone maybe.

If she is "family" then who has her contact information? I may not have my cousin's phone number, but I could get it in two phone calls.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I've followed the boy's case from the beginning but also following Gannon's case at the same time.

I really appreciate everyone updating this thread with the daily court summaries.
I look forward to reading them every day.

 

[Knox]

If she is "family" then who has her contact information? I may not have my cousin's phone number, but I could get it in two phone calls.

Or remember where you dropped your kid off ...

 

[Warwick7]

She didn't buy anything for those kids for Christmas ! Wanda bought the robes and Perla bought the blocks and paint set. I know they must have Dollar Trees in California and there are all kinds of toys they could have gotten for $1.25. It just boggles the mind.

Omg excellent post!!

 

[ChatteringBirds]

My impression/opinion is that they didn't feel like C&C were little boys who mattered. Their feelings toward them were as if they were pets they resented having around and didn't enjoy taking care of. Such selfish, evil people they were to foster and adopt these boys they didn't really want to help and love.

Please, jury, get this right for the boys, even if the case isn't perfectly presented.

 

[mickey2942]

Wow, I didn't even think about this, I the defendants are not convicted, then they can have their kids back. And go back to being foster "parents". Scary!

 

[Knox]

Does anyone think we'll hear something unexpected from the State tomorrow? Some sort of closing bombshell revelation?

Perhaps something significant about December 5th and the unnamed co-conspirator? There has to be something that ties this all together. Did they relocate the boys bodies that day? Who helped?

 

[Warwick7]

Does anyone think we'll hear something unexpected from the State tomorrow? Some sort of closing bombshell revelation?

Perhaps something significant about December 5th and the unnamed co-conspirator? There has to be something that ties this all together. Did they relocate the boys bodies that day? Who helped?

We were blown away by Patrick Frazee's unexpected, papertowel, putting out a hit stupidity....anything is possible.

 

[TheLoadedGoat]

My impression/opinion is that they didn't feel like C&C were little boys who mattered. Their feelings toward them were as if they were pets they resented having around and didn't enjoy taking care of. Such selfish, evil people they were to foster and adopt these boys they didn't really want to help and love.

Please, jury, get this right for the boys, even if the case isn't perfectly presented.

AND the audacity of Trezell to pontificate in his interview about the importance of black families fostering and adopting black children or some BS like that. SMDH

 

[cuffem]

Monday 5/8/23
Cross of Det. Hernandez by Hennessy
Tip that came in was on Vehicle / tags ( Arlington )
Record checks by FBI. Gave address
Tip did not include name.
FBI info included another name in investigation ( Victor Rodriguez )
Man testified last week tip was not valid the children were his bio children
Report the address has Mr. Karavarrus and Victor Rodriguez at address prior to Dec.
Hernandez looking at report
Asked what Mr. Rodriguez looked like. Do not know
( Hennessy is trying some shady stuff right now to be entered about V. Rodriguez but Smith objects )
( I am not typing it here but it is in the tweets ) Question was struck
Sidebar
Hennessy asked about a tip from a Hector Rodriguez that the boys were in a home in Blithe.
Herenandez reading report, followed up on tip but did not contact Hector Rodriguez.
Deemed he did not see the children.
NOW! Stallings ( He!, He! ) on cross( Put a Now! in front of anything Stallings says.)
Discussing DNA sent to Center for Missing Children from Labcorp in case of remains found
The interviews were the 2nd interviews by TW and JW
Hernandez did not do search of Martinez apt. where TW and JW were residing.
Stallings asking about 2 refrigerators in the apt. He says he did not see 2.
Asking about JW crying .
( Now she is on security videos. Where is she going jumping here to there? )
Asking about discrepancy on camera footage Dec 8. Hernandez Does not know.
Stallings asked about video footage for Dec. 5. Hernandez did not look at that
Now Stallings asking about Taco Bell receipt 12/8/2020.( First she said 18th )
Did you check the camera footage of neighbor for coming and going go JW and TW
Stallings did not check that camera on the 5th and the 8th? He did not used on info they had then.
Now asking about Robert Deez.( then says nothing more about it? )
Hernandez says he does not know what info was reported to Sunya Barton before 3rd interview with eldest child at Jameson.
Reports by Hernandez and other det. runs 2,000. pages.
Showing pic of Ms. Mureno ( resource parent ), child, Herandez,Trying to get passwords of parents phones.
(Stallings trying to show eldest child saw news and was informed about case)
Murenos had the children removed. Hernandez says he does not know why.
( Stallings trying to say Murenos told child the boys were dead.)
Stallings showing body worn camera of Hernandez from interview at Maria Martinez home.
There are 2 refrigerators in the photo from Martinez home.

 

[cuffem]

Translation from Spanish to English she (?) says 2 black people not 2 latino.
Search parties behind Wests after neighbor sees someone with sweater and mask. Hernandez does not recall that.
Reviewed JW's planner/journal for 2021 (Info on Orson and Orrin )
( In my opinion none of this is going anywhere and she is not making a point about any of it, IMO )
Discussing looking into anyone casing their home, couch guy, bug guy.
Bug guy says he saw 5-7 kids in home and van.
Police still zero in on the Wests, Yes! ( She is not helping JW)
Found nothing unusual in security footage. (She is not helping JW)
Video on screen and admitted, of security from Dec 19 2020 dropping off kids in Bakersfield
Never determined who the people walking down the street are in the security footage.
His first time seeing this portion of video.
Same day a stranger was seen coming out of neighbor home.
Stallings says You do not know what they were doing. He says, walking. (good one)
Sidebar then
15 min. break