GUILTY CA - Classic (Orson West, 3) & Cincere (Orrin West, 4), still missing, Calif. City, *Mistrial on counts 4 & 5)* 21 Dec 2020 #8

[mickey2942]

This is it right here. IMO they put one of the children in a cooler and dumped him in the dumpster on Sept, 20, 2020.
My opinion not fact at the moment. Hope more comes out.
Why would it take 2 of them to carry that cooler?

West Trial Day 11: Woman unsettled by September 2020 incident

A resident of the Bakersfield apartment complex where Trezell and Jacqueline West lived testified she received a call from another person who was shaken by an incident that occurred in September 20…

www.kget.com

Sorry, this is almost a useless witness to me. She "heard" something. Thinks that things were "evil"?

She didn't call LEO, or tell her friend to do it at the time. So, INMO, completely useless witness.

 

[cuffem]

West Trial Day 11: Woman unsettled by September 2020 incident

A resident of the Bakersfield apartment complex where Trezell and Jacqueline West lived testified she received a call from another person who was shaken by an incident that occurred in September 20…

www.kget.com

Sorry, this is almost a useless witness to me. She "heard" something. Thinks that things were "evil"?

She didn't call LEO, or tell her friend to do it at the time. So, INMO, completely useless witness.

I think you are confusing 2 different witness. There were 2 females, one Salas I thought from Audio was a male. The other female witness was Aguirre and I stated upthread her testimony was useless and should not have been used.
Go and look at Salas testimony. Stallings really gave her a go but she held fast against seeing them dispose of cooler in dumpster.

I may be the one confused. Like I said I only was able to log on to the audio after Salas started and I missed some of it. Aguirre was useless imo.

 

[cuffem]

I am listening alone to this trial as far as I know and anyone is welcome to try and come help post by audio only.
Everyone is on the other 2 trials and I feel someone should be here. I said my posting may have mistakes.

 

[mickey2942]

I am listening alone to this trial as far as I know and anyone is welcome to try and come help post by audio only.
Everyone is on the other 2 trials and I feel someone should be here. I said my posting may have mistakes.

You are doing great! Thank you for your time and effort! Kudos!

 

[mickey2942]

I think you are confusing 2 different witness. There were 2 females, one Salas I thought from Audio was a male. The other female witness was Aguirre and I stated upthread her testimony was useless and should not have been used.
Go and look at Salas testimony. Stallings really gave her a go but she held fast against seeing them dispose of cooler in dumpster.

I may be the one confused. Like I said I only was able to log on to the audio after Salas started and I missed some of it. Aguirre was useless imo.

Yes, Aguirre, useless. Not even sure why the prosecution added her.

 

[PommyMommy]

I am listening alone to this trial as far as I know and anyone is welcome to try and come help post by audio only.
Everyone is on the other 2 trials and I feel someone should be here. I said my posting may have mistakes.

I really wish I could listen with you, cuffem, and I'm so, so glad you're here keeping the boys thread going. It is unfortunate that all these trials are taking place at the same time, and I feel for those who have had to choose one or the other. Understandable. There is only so much time in a day. MOO

 

[UrsulaWrenn]

Thank-you, Cuffem, for all your hard work. I'm very grateful for both you and PommyMommy.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I'm following Gannon's trial so I really appreciate all of you here on the boy's thread, keeping us updated on the legal proceedings in their case.

 

[PommyMommy]

APR 19, 2023

West trial: Witness recalls late September 2020 night

By ISHANI DESAI

www.bakersfield.com

A loud sound startled Maria del Carmen Noriega Salas as she cleaned her daughter’s Casa Loma apartments very late at night nearly three years ago.

It sounded like someone threw something inside a metal dumpster, Salas testified in Kern County Superior Court Wednesday, while adding she saw Trezell and Jacqueline West, who are accused of murder, emerging from the trash cans on Sept. 19, 2020. This contention was heavily disputed by Jacqueline West’s defense attorneys, who sowed doubt about Salas’ recollection of this night.

[...]

Salas walked outside, she said, and saw Trezell and Jacqueline walking away slowly, carrying a blue chest with a white lid. They were laughing, she testified.

[...]

“I do recall that day very well,” Salas said. “I cannot forget it.”

The relevance of this evidence and what it may suggest remains unclear.

Jurors went to the Casa Loma Apartments for a jury view Wednesday afternoon. They will be in California City Thursday for another jury view.

[...]

 

[mickey2942]

Jury view of dumpster? Seriously?

I get the jury going to the Cal City house.

 

[CHEL]

Is there somewhere I can listen to the recorded audio of this trial?

 

[PommyMommy]

Is there somewhere I can listen to the recorded audio of this trial?

Yes, but court will not be in session until Tuesday @ 9 a.m.

Metro Division Dpt 4 Audio Streaming | Superior Court of California | County of Kern​

 

[PommyMommy]

APR 19 updated APR 20, 2023

West Trial: The risks and rewards of jury views

BAKERSFIELD, Calif. (KGET) — This week, jurors in the trial of Trezell and Jacqueline West will be taken to multiple locations in Bakersfield and California City to view sites of relevance to…

www.kget.com

[...]

Taking jurors outside the courtroom for “jury views” is a relatively rare move, one that carries risks a judge must weigh and determine are worth taking to let the jury see in-person alleged crime scenes and other locations of interest, said local attorneys Kyle J. Humphrey and Jared M. Thompson, of Humphrey & Thompson, who are not connected to the case.

[...]

Jurors aren’t allowed to ask questions or even speak among themselves at a jury view, Thompson said. Doing so runs the risk of them deliberating over what they see.

Thompson said he thinks that’s why judges often deny jury views — there’s the risk of prejudice or error and other factors that can come up on appeal.

[...]

“Whoever is making the motion (for a jury view), it’s got to be detailed and it has to have pretty compelling reasons for a judge to grant it because no matter where it’s at you’re going to run into those kinds of security issues, geographical issues, difficulty in maintaining a secure perimeter,” Thompson said.

A judge may determine maps, photos, diagrams or other evidence will give the jury an accurate depiction of a scene.

[...]

Humphrey said there are times when talking about the dynamics of how something took place and where it happened is no substitute to seeing the location for yourself. In a case involving a shooting, for example, there may be walls or other obstructions at the scene that show a defendant could not have shot someone from the location a witness placed them at.

“Other times I think it’s scary for the defense to do it because you simply have no idea what the jury’s going to be looking at while they’re there,” Humphrey said. “You have an idea of what you want them to pick up from the scene, that you’ll argue later, but people form their memories for all kinds of reasons outside the control of the judge or the courts and they could walk away with something that had nothing to do with the dispute in the case and make a decision based on that.”

[...]

 

[mickey2942]

I just realized, if Orrin and Orson had not been adopted, maybe they would still be alive. Same as Troy Koehler, who was adopted, and killed by his adoptive parents.

Maybe these adoptions need more oversight for the first few years. After all, Orson and Orrin were fine at the first foster care placement. They were pulled out immediately when there was an allegation of abuse for another child in the home.

If there had been more oversight for the first three years of these adoptions, maybe more children would still be alive.

 

[ashpastime]

From the testimony today from Taylor at DHHS, there should have been a home visit once a month in the 4 months since the Wests left Bakersfield and moved to Cali City. Therefore a social worker should have seen the boys or was this not done because of covid during this time?

There were emergency orders in place due to the pandemic. If all children were adopted and or biological there is no social worker involved at that point.

 

[ashpastime]

Madgenia Williams says she has not seen her sons, Gullermo, 8, and Eleuctero Parra, 10, for five years – and at some point, she said, they were placed in the foster care of Trezell and Jacqueline West.

Proof of life is usually a phrase associated with kidnapping. Williams said a court official told her, in confidence, that her sons’ initial foster care placement was with Trezell and Jacqueline West, which she said scares her.

“They’re been there six years now,” Williams said. “They were adopted out in 2018 to the Wests and then from there I’ve seen and heard nothing from them.”

Where are the boys? This time, another birth mother is asking about sons allegedly placed with Wests

BAKERSFIELD, Calif. (KGET) — With the adoptive parents of young Orrin and Orson West now accused of their murder, another set of parents whose children were put in the care of the same people…

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When were Orrin & Orson placed, then adopted?

So they know their children were adopted by TW and JW? Or they are aware they were foster at some point by the couple? The story has conflicting information being given.

 

[Seattle1]

So they know their children were adopted by TW and JW? Or they are aware they were foster at some point by the couple? The story has conflicting information being given.

We really don't know the history of the subject children (now 9 and 11) or how long they were in the foster system before being adopted in 2018 by the Wests. However, we know that all four of the West children including the two subject sons were removed from the Wests soon after Orrin and Orson were reported missing.

They have four other children, including two biological and two adopted children. [California City police chief] Walker said the couple’s other children are now in the care of CPS. “Until we determine one way or another what happened to the [missing] children, the other four children are taken out of the home,” Walker said.

The biological mom told the reporter she was incarcerated and we don't know if this contributed to her not seeing the children before they were eligible for adoption or since. Nonetheless, not all adopted children and their parents want a relationship or contact with their bio parents.

As to the request for "proof of life," you'd think the reporter would refer the mom to earlier reports and/or Chief Jon Walker.

I tend to agree with the advice by Adoption.org and that children are better equipped to decide for themselves when they become adults.

No adoptee should ever feel like there is an obligation to reunite or meet with their birth family. Each adoptee has his or her own unique journey. Only that person knows what is best.

The stories that don’t make it on TV or online are the ones where the other party didn’t want to be found...

Not every reunion story works out. Some birth parents are horrible, hateful people. I have heard some pretty awful stories. The choice you have to make is whether or not the risk outweighs the benefits. Only you can decide...

Police chief says foul play likely involved after two missing boys disappear from backyard at same time

During a Tuesday press conference, the California City police chief said foul play could in involved, in connection with two boys who dis “I can’t comment on that, whether I think they’re alive or not. I do suspect foul play,” he said. “We have not been able to put together how the boys got […]

www.crimeonline.com

 

[UrsulaWrenn]

As to the request for "proof of life," you'd think the reporter would refer the mom to earlier reports and/or Chief Jon Walker.

I don't believe they are certain those are the same children. As the West's renamed Orrin and Orson, they may have renamed the other two adoptees, leaving doubts -especially as the bio family hasn't seen them for years.

ETA: In fact, I do hope with my every fiber the state has checked, double checked, cross checked and confirmed every child that has ever been in the care of any member of the West family is accounted for.

 

[Seattle1]

I don't believe they are certain those are the same children. As the West's renamed Orrin and Orson, they may have renamed the other two adoptees, leaving doubts -especially as the bio family hasn't seen them for years.

No, this is not true as we have a direct quote from the mother that they were adopted by the West couple in 2018, and Chief Jon Walker reported the two adopted boys and two biological children were removed from the home by police.

“They’re been there six years now,” Williams said. “They were adopted out in 2018 to the Wests and then from there I’ve seen and heard nothing from them.”

 

[Laughing]

I just realized, if Orrin and Orson had not been adopted, maybe they would still be alive. Same as Troy Koehler, who was adopted, and killed by his adoptive parents.

Maybe these adoptions need more oversight for the first few years. After all, Orson and Orrin were fine at the first foster care placement. They were pulled out immediately when there was an allegation of abuse for another child in the home.

If there had been more oversight for the first three years of these adoptions, maybe more children would still be alive.

Skyler Wilson:

NC - Skyler Wilson Died of Hypoxic Brain Injury From “Swaddling” by Adoptive Parents Joseph & Jodi Wilson - Mount Airy

https://myfox8.com/news/north-carolina/piedmont-triad/skyler-wilson-warrants/?ipid=promo-link-block1 "Two Surry County parents were arrested on Friday after a 4-year-old was murdered this month, according to a Surry County Sheriff’s Office news release. On Jan. 6, the SCSO a call from Child...

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Adam Herrman, but this one took longer irrc:

KS - Adam Joseph Herrman (12) - Towanda KS, 1999

Adam Joseph Herrman Endangered Missing -- Missing Since: July 1, 1999 Missing From: Towanda, Kansas Height: 4'4" -- Weight: 67 lbs -- Hair Color: Blonde -- Eye Color: Blue MISSING BOY'S DISAPPEARANCE NOT REPORTED FOR A DECADE Adam Herrman's family says he walked out of their front door...

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Ariel Sellers

Still Missing - HI - Ariel Sellers AKA 'Isabella Kalua', 6, last seen asleep in bdrm, Waimanalo, 12 Sep 2021*Arrests

CrimeStoppers and the Honolulu Police Department are seeking the public’s assistance in locating Isabella Kalua. She was last seen asleep in her room at her Puha Street address in Waimanalo on Sunday, September 12, 2021, at approximately 9 p.m. Her family and friends are concerned for her safety...

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we have too many of these....

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