I'm not sure what you are trying to say exactly. Rear facing seats have existed since the late 60s, and in 2016 it became law in my state (PA) to rear face until age 2. Extended rear facing has been common and a known recommendation since well before 2020. Jmo.
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I am thinking of behind driver maybe? Can not answer right now.
I was thinking about the cases where the driver/passenger seats would crush the rear facing seats in a crash.
Note! Let the thread not get into a long discussion on what direction the 2 boys car seats would have been placed, unless it is absolutely necessary.
My thinking it makes no difference in grandma seeing boys in the van.
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Officer Hansen is on the stand with Smith questioning.
Confirms arial pic of Cal City and area.
He recalls going to neighbor Hernandez for video but did not collect security video.
( Gap in hearing the audio )
( Jesus! ) Stallings ask Hansen if he had hair back then.
He did receive video from Dollar General of TW going in alone.
He says he did not tell the boys that day the home was a military bunker and the children were malnourished.
Said it was his intention to go back to neighbors to retrieve video but never got to it.
Nasser now questioning Hanson. He says he does not believe he asked anyone to retrieve the Hernandez video.
He believes Lieutenant new about the video from Hernandez security cam.
Hansen believes he had a camera on that day but has not reviewed it.
Hansen excused
Recess until 1: 30.
Confirms arial pic of Cal City and area.
He recalls going to neighbor Hernandez for video but did not collect security video.
( Gap in hearing the audio )
( Jesus! ) Stallings ask Hansen if he had hair back then.
He did receive video from Dollar General of TW going in alone.
He says he did not tell the boys that day the home was a military bunker and the children were malnourished.
Said it was his intention to go back to neighbors to retrieve video but never got to it.
Nasser now questioning Hanson. He says he does not believe he asked anyone to retrieve the Hernandez video.
He believes Lieutenant new about the video from Hernandez security cam.
Hansen believes he had a camera on that day but has not reviewed it.
Hansen excused
Recess until 1: 30.
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Yes very much so. She is distraught at what has happened. I believe she did not see the 2 boys much so was not worried about them before they were missing. She assumed they were with grandma Mary Martinez.
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Note!
I missed writing something about grandma Wanda giving the gas money at the credit union to TW was also for buying pjs for Orson and Orrin because she had not bought them a gift yet to go with the other family members robes.
I also missed a few details on her activities and timeline the day of the move. I could not get the tweets to clear that up.
I think this is important because she had not bought Christmas gifts for Orrin and Orson.
I missed writing something about grandma Wanda giving the gas money at the credit union to TW was also for buying pjs for Orson and Orrin because she had not bought them a gift yet to go with the other family members robes.
I also missed a few details on her activities and timeline the day of the move. I could not get the tweets to clear that up.
I think this is important because she had not bought Christmas gifts for Orrin and Orson.
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Speaks to state of mind IMO. It seems like each of the Grandmas always thought the other had the boys. So no one really had a relationship with either of them, which was by design. They were isolated from everyone.
Wondering when Grandma Mary takes the stand if she will be asked and state if she thought or was told the 2 boys were with Grandma Wanda or someone else or in the van?
Hoping she does not need an interpreter. or it be via Zoom, I want to hear it coming straight from her.
Sunya Bartin for CPS takes the stand.
She interviewed the oldest bio child when he said he saw the Orrin die.
Now giving qualifications and what forensic interview means.
She received on going training on interview skills.
She has taught how to give interviews.
A room is set up to interview children, camera not seen. At Jamison Center.
Sometimes LE and CPS watching interview through 2 way mirror.
( She talks fast )
Children are asked about truth and a lie.
They object is to try and get the child to tell an event as they remember it.
She might be told by LE what the case is about.
Barton says they do not put words in children mouths.
Playing video of interview with one of the boys.( age 8 )
Sidebar requested by Hennessy.
Playing video interview now.
Introduction with child.
She says to tell her if he does not understand to say he does not understand.
She wants him to correct her if she says something not correct. Gives example.
( Wow! she talks super fast )
Asks him about truth and lie difference.
Asks about homeschool.
What holiday happens in July? He does not know what Fourth of July is.
Who was living in your house in Cal city in July? He names family. ( I think he excluded O/O}
He explains Orson went to grandmas house. Orrin was at mom's grandma.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
He has not seem them but they are supposed to come back does not know when.
He was told by older bio boy.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
He does not know when bunkbeds were built. There was a place for Orrin.
O/O are with their bio mom and dad.
Orson is the mean one.
Asked if he is worried about them,
He said parents did not tell him where the boys went said older sibling told him.
She leaves room for moment.
Playing another interview from 7 y/o
Dec 22 2020
Taking about his Dec. birthday
Who was a home for BD? Names 4 siblings.
Going over if he does not understand questions and what gender means.
She asks him to correct her if she says something wrong.
Discussing truth and lie. He reply his understanding.
Dad only teaches one child D ( I have heard this before ) Mom teaches the 3 other boys.
His birthday was last week on the 17th.
He went to grandmas on weekend for vacation with grandma to spend time with her.
He does not know why he is there talking to her.
She asks about moving to Bakersfield. Mentions O/O
Where did O and O go.
They went to their own home because they cry a lot. Mom and dad told him.
Dad is great at spanking.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
He never saw bruises. O/O and one adopted child got blood.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
He used a belt to spank them and that is how they got blood from the metal part.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Says dad would spank them to make them be quiet the boy says.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
End of video. No more questions from Smith.
Stallings crosses Bartin. ( I can not hear her questions to Barton) check tweets.
Stallings asks Barton how CPS conducts investigations.
She interviewed the oldest bio child when he said he saw the Orrin die.
Now giving qualifications and what forensic interview means.
She received on going training on interview skills.
She has taught how to give interviews.
A room is set up to interview children, camera not seen. At Jamison Center.
Sometimes LE and CPS watching interview through 2 way mirror.
( She talks fast )
Children are asked about truth and a lie.
They object is to try and get the child to tell an event as they remember it.
She might be told by LE what the case is about.
Barton says they do not put words in children mouths.
Playing video of interview with one of the boys.( age 8 )
Sidebar requested by Hennessy.
Playing video interview now.
Introduction with child.
She says to tell her if he does not understand to say he does not understand.
She wants him to correct her if she says something not correct. Gives example.
( Wow! she talks super fast )
Asks him about truth and lie difference.
Asks about homeschool.
What holiday happens in July? He does not know what Fourth of July is.
Who was living in your house in Cal city in July? He names family. ( I think he excluded O/O}
He explains Orson went to grandmas house. Orrin was at mom's grandma.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
He has not seem them but they are supposed to come back does not know when.
He was told by older bio boy.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
He does not know when bunkbeds were built. There was a place for Orrin.
O/O are with their bio mom and dad.
Orson is the mean one.
Asked if he is worried about them,
He said parents did not tell him where the boys went said older sibling told him.
She leaves room for moment.
Playing another interview from 7 y/o
Dec 22 2020
Taking about his Dec. birthday
Who was a home for BD? Names 4 siblings.
Going over if he does not understand questions and what gender means.
She asks him to correct her if she says something wrong.
Discussing truth and lie. He reply his understanding.
Dad only teaches one child D ( I have heard this before ) Mom teaches the 3 other boys.
His birthday was last week on the 17th.
He went to grandmas on weekend for vacation with grandma to spend time with her.
He does not know why he is there talking to her.
She asks about moving to Bakersfield. Mentions O/O
Where did O and O go.
They went to their own home because they cry a lot. Mom and dad told him.
Dad is great at spanking.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
He never saw bruises. O/O and one adopted child got blood.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
He used a belt to spank them and that is how they got blood from the metal part.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Says dad would spank them to make them be quiet the boy says.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
End of video. No more questions from Smith.
Stallings crosses Bartin. ( I can not hear her questions to Barton) check tweets.
Stallings asks Barton how CPS conducts investigations.
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Stallings is asking about the McMartin case in regards to history of forensic interviews. Barton says she is not familiar ( WTF!!!! Stallings? )
Barton says they rely on LE to give details on the case.
Barton agrees neglect falls under a variety of circumstances.
( I can not hear Stallings at all relying on tweets )
Asked to conduct interview by FBI because children were missing.
Wanda was in lobby with other kids.They can not hear interview in other room.
Parents and guardians are not allowed to sit in interview in criminal investigation.
She said the interview was enough for the FBI to pass the case to Bakersfield LE for a criminal investigation. ++++++++++
Stallings asked if it was important to have NO emotional tone conducting interview. She says no you are trying to gain rapport.
If it believed a parent is guilty they do not believe it should be told during interview.
She does not know about studies of Children's suggestibility.
Stallings asking about her training on human trafficking and child abduction.
15 min. break.
Barton says they rely on LE to give details on the case.
Barton agrees neglect falls under a variety of circumstances.
( I can not hear Stallings at all relying on tweets )
Asked to conduct interview by FBI because children were missing.
Wanda was in lobby with other kids.They can not hear interview in other room.
Parents and guardians are not allowed to sit in interview in criminal investigation.
She said the interview was enough for the FBI to pass the case to Bakersfield LE for a criminal investigation. ++++++++++
Stallings asked if it was important to have NO emotional tone conducting interview. She says no you are trying to gain rapport.
If it believed a parent is guilty they do not believe it should be told during interview.
She does not know about studies of Children's suggestibility.
Stallings asking about her training on human trafficking and child abduction.
15 min. break.
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(Back on. Now I can hear Stallings questions unfortunately.)
Talking about the " corridor " by teen trafficking victims.
Is she Barton aware the children were interviewed by LE for hours right before her interview. No.
She did not have video of from those interviews by LE that day
Barton says it is standard for her to tell child she does not have information or know what happened to their family.
Sidebar after objection.
Stallings is going over transcript of her interview with child.
They are not allowed to pier review of interviews until investigation is over.
( You can tell Barton is not thrilled with Stallings way of questioning her techniques )
Barton going over part of interview transcript to herself.
Stallings says the eldest son talked about the Orrin and Orson bio family but she switched to discussing Wanda.
There was an objection by Smith. And again.
Stallings starts again and another objection and Sidebar.
She asks about the boy telling her he had seen the bio family of the 2 boys but she changed topic.
( Stallings is trying something but not getting away with it, IMO )
( I have to laugh at Bartons snide answering " correct " to Stallings. )
She said she had not changed the subject with child, he had finished.
Asking about the allegations by child of spanking.
Stallings is scolding Barton on waiting to answer before she is done. She says OK. ( BIOTCH! )
She testified 5 times in her career.
Barton said after she is finished with interview she has no more to do with it.
She does not know if marks were found on the body.
Barton said there is certain protocols for a forensic interview.
Barton says she is not a lic. social worker and never has been.
First missing persons case for Barton in 11 years.
Barton said she does not know difference of CPS protocols.
Stallings moves to 2nd interview with other child.
Discussing resource person for eldest bio child being upset. Maribell.
Barton new a real estate person confirmed Orson in Cal City. Yes.
Resource person was upset about what child told her.
Barton said she does not recollect text with another social worker regarding smell in vehicle.
( Stallings is really grilling her on the text not being turned over )
She said she does not recall the text from other worker reminding her about the smell.
Barton said she believed in the first interview that the oldest was not being truthful.
Stallings rests, No cross fro Hennessy.
Smith asks about what untruthfulness the oldest boy. Did not want to get parents in trouble.
Stallings redirect ( Stallings was very ugly in her talking to Barton and Barton seemed pissed, IMO! )
Lots of objections asked and answered.
Judge has to give jury instructions on this testimony.
Talking about the " corridor " by teen trafficking victims.
Is she Barton aware the children were interviewed by LE for hours right before her interview. No.
She did not have video of from those interviews by LE that day
Barton says it is standard for her to tell child she does not have information or know what happened to their family.
Sidebar after objection.
Stallings is going over transcript of her interview with child.
They are not allowed to pier review of interviews until investigation is over.
( You can tell Barton is not thrilled with Stallings way of questioning her techniques )
Barton going over part of interview transcript to herself.
Stallings says the eldest son talked about the Orrin and Orson bio family but she switched to discussing Wanda.
There was an objection by Smith. And again.
Stallings starts again and another objection and Sidebar.
She asks about the boy telling her he had seen the bio family of the 2 boys but she changed topic.
( Stallings is trying something but not getting away with it, IMO )
( I have to laugh at Bartons snide answering " correct " to Stallings. )
She said she had not changed the subject with child, he had finished.
Asking about the allegations by child of spanking.
Stallings is scolding Barton on waiting to answer before she is done. She says OK. ( BIOTCH! )
She testified 5 times in her career.
Barton said after she is finished with interview she has no more to do with it.
She does not know if marks were found on the body.
Barton said there is certain protocols for a forensic interview.
Barton says she is not a lic. social worker and never has been.
First missing persons case for Barton in 11 years.
Barton said she does not know difference of CPS protocols.
Stallings moves to 2nd interview with other child.
Discussing resource person for eldest bio child being upset. Maribell.
Barton new a real estate person confirmed Orson in Cal City. Yes.
Resource person was upset about what child told her.
Barton said she does not recollect text with another social worker regarding smell in vehicle.
( Stallings is really grilling her on the text not being turned over )
She said she does not recall the text from other worker reminding her about the smell.
Barton said she believed in the first interview that the oldest was not being truthful.
Stallings rests, No cross fro Hennessy.
Smith asks about what untruthfulness the oldest boy. Did not want to get parents in trouble.
Stallings redirect ( Stallings was very ugly in her talking to Barton and Barton seemed pissed, IMO! )
Lots of objections asked and answered.
Judge has to give jury instructions on this testimony.
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( The last part of transcript of trail did not post. I will try again because it was a doozie. )
( Stallings questions to Barton are in a harsh tone and Barton sounds to be pissed )
Stallings asks if she knew there was nothing found in the dig of the yard.
Barton says with an attitude " that is because the children were not there!!! ( MIC DROP! )+++++++++++++++++++++++++
This brought laughter from the audience.
Stallings done.
Barton excused for now.
Court ends.
What a way to end it. Stallings deserved that from Barton.
This made my day!
That was worth my shoulder hurting.
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( Stallings questions to Barton are in a harsh tone and Barton sounds to be pissed )
Stallings asks if she knew there was nothing found in the dig of the yard.
Barton says with an attitude " that is because the children were not there!!! ( MIC DROP! )+++++++++++++++++++++++++
This brought laughter from the audience.
Stallings done.
Barton excused for now.
Court ends.
What a way to end it. Stallings deserved that from Barton.
This made my day!
That was worth my shoulder hurting.
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Jacqueline's Mom has already been on the stand - Two mothers take the stand in sixth day of West trial
Sorry I missed that day. I will go back and look at tweets if they are posted. Thanks for letting me know.
OH! Wait! I did hear that day, I did not post that day. Geez! I forgot about it completely.
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Morning Testimony, Part 1
DAY SIXTEEN - May 3, 2023
https://twitter.com/KGETnews
We're back in session in the trial of Trezell and Jacqueline West. Wanda West, Trezell's mother, is testifying via Zoom. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she is in Washington, D.C., visiting one of her sons. She has three sons, Trezell is the middle child. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said Trezell and Jacqueline have been married since 2010, have 2 biological children. #WestsTrial
She said she lived on Potomac Avenue back in 2020, when the boys were reported missing. She said she had lived there since about 1999. #WestsTrial
Wanda West testified her son and daughter-in-law became involved in foster care around 2015. She identified a photo taken in 2019 of the four adopted children the Wests had. #WestsTrial
At the Potomac Avenue house she lived with her husband and youngest son. #WestsTrial
Before 2020, she went to Casa Loma Apartments -- where the Wests lived before moving to Cal City -- about two or three times a month. Sometimes to babysit, sometimes to visit. #WestsTrial
In March of 2020 Wanda West said COVID hit and she didn't get to see them as much.She said she stopped going. #WestsTrial
Wanda West is describing the personality of each of the Wests' children. She's describing the biological and adopted children. She said Orrin was very quiet, had maybe a learning disability. Orson would cry if he didn't know you, but would calm down with toys. #WestsTrial
Wand West said she became aware the Wests purchased a house in California City. She said she agreed to help them move. She agreed to watch the 4 older boys while they moved. #WestsTrial
She rented a U-Haul truck for the Wests, and rented a car for herself to drive to Cal City. She doesn't own a car. #WestsTrial
On Sept. 18, she got the rental car, got the U-Haul, and went to Cal City, Wanda West said. Prosecutor Eric Smith is asking about the rental agreement for the U-Haul. #WestsTrial
Wanda West testified she arrived at Cal City between 11 am. and noon on Sept. 18, 2020. She said Trezell and Jacqueline greeted her. She walked in the door and she said she saw four boys in the house -- not Orrin or Orson. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she didn't ask about Orrin or Orson. She said she thought they were with Jacqueline's mother, Maria Martinez. #WestsTrial
"You just assumed that Orrin and Orson were with Miss Martinez?" Smith asked. "Yes," Wanda West said. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she thinks she last saw Orrin and Orson in February of 2020. She said, due to covid, Trezell would drive boy, the older boys would get out of the van and say hi, and they would tell her Orrin and Orson were in the van. #WestsTrial
While at the house on Sept. 18, 2020, Wanda West said she watched videos with the kids, walked around, and during that time Trezell and Jacqueline traveled back to Bakersfield. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she believes she heard Trezell and Jacqueline come home later that night or early the next morning. She said she didn't see Orrin or Orson with them. She walked into the kitchen and saw Trezell and Jacqueline. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she went back to bed. She awoke on Sept. 19, 2020. She got a call or text from U-Haul telling her to turn the truck back in. She said she knocked the door to wake up Trezell and Jacqueline West to tell them about the truck. #WestsTrial
The Wests got up and started unloading the truck, Wanda West said. She said she went to the door and saw them removing boxes from the truck, and they brought in those and furniture. #WestsTrial
She said the Wests on Sept. 18, 2020 had driven the white van to Bakersfield, left it there and picked up the U-Haul, driving it to Cal City. #WestsTrial
Wanda West testified she didn't see Orrin or Orson as they unloaded the truck. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said on Sept. 19, 2020, she went to the U-Haul in Cal City and rented the truck for another day. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she was with the 4 older boys for about an hour when she went to a credit union and a McDonald's. When she returned with the boys she said she didn't see Orrin or Orson. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said Trezell and Jacqueline on the afternoon of Sept. 19, 2020 left in the U-Haul to return to Bakersfield. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said they probably went to bed between 10 or 11 p.m. She said she's not sure what time the Wests got home. She said she was supposed to go back to Bakersfield on Sept. 20, 2020. She got up at 7 a.m. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she watched TV with the 4 older boys. She said Trezell and Jacqueline were probably putting things away. The truck had to be returned that morning. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she did not see Orrin or Orson that morning. #WestsTrial
The U-Haul was returned in California City. Trezell drove the vehicle, and Wanda West went with him. They drove back in her rental car to the house in Cal City. #WestsTrial
She had lunch with the four older boys, didn't see Orrin or Orson. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she went back home that afternoon, after 4 p.m. When she got back to Bakersfield it was dark. Trezell went with her. Jacqueline and the 4 older boys remained at the Cal City house. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she went to Casa Loma Apartments so Trezell could pick up the white van. She said she dropped him off, turned around and saw him driving behind her. They went in different directions leaving the apartment complex. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she doesn't recall speaking with Trezell on Dec. 5, 2020, about visiting her house. #WestsTrial
Smith showed Wanda West a document with a message in which she wrote on Dec. 4, 2020 asking Trezell what time he was coming tomorrow. #WestsTrial
She got a response saying "in the morning," according to the document. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she got robes for the Wests. Her son responded saying he and Jacqueline loved the robes. #WestsTrial
On Dec. 16, 2020, Wanda West sent a message to the Wests. It says she would like a family picture of everyone by the fireplace wearing their robes. She said she never got that picture. #WestsTrial
Wanda West has become emotional, saying she never got the photo because of what happened days later. She had wanted the photo as a Christmas present. Wanda West can be seen crying through the Zoom camera but said she's ready to proceed. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said there was a plan before Christmas for her to keep the four older boys from Dec. 19 to Dec. 23 or 24, 2020. #WestsTrial
On Dec. 19, Wanda West said the four boys were dropped off. Orrin and Orson weren't with them and she thought they were with Maria Martinez. But Wanda West added they may have been in the back of the van, she didn't see them. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she went to a credit union with Trezell and Jacqueline on Sept. 19, 2020. They went there to get the Wests soe gas money. She said she didn't see Orrin or Orson in the van but Jacqueline West told her they were in the back asleep. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said the seats are high in the van so you can't see the back seat of the van where the kids sit. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she didn't see or hear Orrin or Orson in the van when they went to the credit union. She said music was playing in the van. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said when she left the van she didn't make an attempt to say goodbye to Orrin or Orson because her son and daughter-in-law told her they were sleeping. "No, I did not," she said when Smith asked if she made an attempt to see them. #WestsTrial
On Dec. 22, 2020, police arrived at Wanda West's home and told her Orrin and Orson had been reported missing. An officer interviewed the four other boys at her home, she said. #WestsTrial
The other four children were removed from her home. She was allowed to visit them once a month. The last time she visited them was last month. #WestsTrial
Smith ended his questioning and court will be in recess for 15 minutes. #WestsTrial
DAY SIXTEEN - May 3, 2023
https://twitter.com/KGETnews
We're back in session in the trial of Trezell and Jacqueline West. Wanda West, Trezell's mother, is testifying via Zoom. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she is in Washington, D.C., visiting one of her sons. She has three sons, Trezell is the middle child. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said Trezell and Jacqueline have been married since 2010, have 2 biological children. #WestsTrial
She said she lived on Potomac Avenue back in 2020, when the boys were reported missing. She said she had lived there since about 1999. #WestsTrial
Wanda West testified her son and daughter-in-law became involved in foster care around 2015. She identified a photo taken in 2019 of the four adopted children the Wests had. #WestsTrial
At the Potomac Avenue house she lived with her husband and youngest son. #WestsTrial
Before 2020, she went to Casa Loma Apartments -- where the Wests lived before moving to Cal City -- about two or three times a month. Sometimes to babysit, sometimes to visit. #WestsTrial
In March of 2020 Wanda West said COVID hit and she didn't get to see them as much.She said she stopped going. #WestsTrial
Wanda West is describing the personality of each of the Wests' children. She's describing the biological and adopted children. She said Orrin was very quiet, had maybe a learning disability. Orson would cry if he didn't know you, but would calm down with toys. #WestsTrial
Wand West said she became aware the Wests purchased a house in California City. She said she agreed to help them move. She agreed to watch the 4 older boys while they moved. #WestsTrial
She rented a U-Haul truck for the Wests, and rented a car for herself to drive to Cal City. She doesn't own a car. #WestsTrial
On Sept. 18, she got the rental car, got the U-Haul, and went to Cal City, Wanda West said. Prosecutor Eric Smith is asking about the rental agreement for the U-Haul. #WestsTrial
Wanda West testified she arrived at Cal City between 11 am. and noon on Sept. 18, 2020. She said Trezell and Jacqueline greeted her. She walked in the door and she said she saw four boys in the house -- not Orrin or Orson. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she didn't ask about Orrin or Orson. She said she thought they were with Jacqueline's mother, Maria Martinez. #WestsTrial
"You just assumed that Orrin and Orson were with Miss Martinez?" Smith asked. "Yes," Wanda West said. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she thinks she last saw Orrin and Orson in February of 2020. She said, due to covid, Trezell would drive boy, the older boys would get out of the van and say hi, and they would tell her Orrin and Orson were in the van. #WestsTrial
While at the house on Sept. 18, 2020, Wanda West said she watched videos with the kids, walked around, and during that time Trezell and Jacqueline traveled back to Bakersfield. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she believes she heard Trezell and Jacqueline come home later that night or early the next morning. She said she didn't see Orrin or Orson with them. She walked into the kitchen and saw Trezell and Jacqueline. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she went back to bed. She awoke on Sept. 19, 2020. She got a call or text from U-Haul telling her to turn the truck back in. She said she knocked the door to wake up Trezell and Jacqueline West to tell them about the truck. #WestsTrial
The Wests got up and started unloading the truck, Wanda West said. She said she went to the door and saw them removing boxes from the truck, and they brought in those and furniture. #WestsTrial
She said the Wests on Sept. 18, 2020 had driven the white van to Bakersfield, left it there and picked up the U-Haul, driving it to Cal City. #WestsTrial
Wanda West testified she didn't see Orrin or Orson as they unloaded the truck. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said on Sept. 19, 2020, she went to the U-Haul in Cal City and rented the truck for another day. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she was with the 4 older boys for about an hour when she went to a credit union and a McDonald's. When she returned with the boys she said she didn't see Orrin or Orson. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said Trezell and Jacqueline on the afternoon of Sept. 19, 2020 left in the U-Haul to return to Bakersfield. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said they probably went to bed between 10 or 11 p.m. She said she's not sure what time the Wests got home. She said she was supposed to go back to Bakersfield on Sept. 20, 2020. She got up at 7 a.m. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she watched TV with the 4 older boys. She said Trezell and Jacqueline were probably putting things away. The truck had to be returned that morning. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she did not see Orrin or Orson that morning. #WestsTrial
The U-Haul was returned in California City. Trezell drove the vehicle, and Wanda West went with him. They drove back in her rental car to the house in Cal City. #WestsTrial
She had lunch with the four older boys, didn't see Orrin or Orson. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she went back home that afternoon, after 4 p.m. When she got back to Bakersfield it was dark. Trezell went with her. Jacqueline and the 4 older boys remained at the Cal City house. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she went to Casa Loma Apartments so Trezell could pick up the white van. She said she dropped him off, turned around and saw him driving behind her. They went in different directions leaving the apartment complex. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she doesn't recall speaking with Trezell on Dec. 5, 2020, about visiting her house. #WestsTrial
Smith showed Wanda West a document with a message in which she wrote on Dec. 4, 2020 asking Trezell what time he was coming tomorrow. #WestsTrial
She got a response saying "in the morning," according to the document. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she got robes for the Wests. Her son responded saying he and Jacqueline loved the robes. #WestsTrial
On Dec. 16, 2020, Wanda West sent a message to the Wests. It says she would like a family picture of everyone by the fireplace wearing their robes. She said she never got that picture. #WestsTrial
Wanda West has become emotional, saying she never got the photo because of what happened days later. She had wanted the photo as a Christmas present. Wanda West can be seen crying through the Zoom camera but said she's ready to proceed. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said there was a plan before Christmas for her to keep the four older boys from Dec. 19 to Dec. 23 or 24, 2020. #WestsTrial
On Dec. 19, Wanda West said the four boys were dropped off. Orrin and Orson weren't with them and she thought they were with Maria Martinez. But Wanda West added they may have been in the back of the van, she didn't see them. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she went to a credit union with Trezell and Jacqueline on Sept. 19, 2020. They went there to get the Wests soe gas money. She said she didn't see Orrin or Orson in the van but Jacqueline West told her they were in the back asleep. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said the seats are high in the van so you can't see the back seat of the van where the kids sit. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she didn't see or hear Orrin or Orson in the van when they went to the credit union. She said music was playing in the van. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said when she left the van she didn't make an attempt to say goodbye to Orrin or Orson because her son and daughter-in-law told her they were sleeping. "No, I did not," she said when Smith asked if she made an attempt to see them. #WestsTrial
On Dec. 22, 2020, police arrived at Wanda West's home and told her Orrin and Orson had been reported missing. An officer interviewed the four other boys at her home, she said. #WestsTrial
The other four children were removed from her home. She was allowed to visit them once a month. The last time she visited them was last month. #WestsTrial
Smith ended his questioning and court will be in recess for 15 minutes. #WestsTrial
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This trial being audio only has been very difficult to follow. It's not like Murdaugh's trial where we could go back and watch what we missed. So I understand how easy it is to lose track.
Duty Ron had a good segment on the trial yesterday, he said the defense is getting ready to wrap up this week or next. It's all been so discombobulated, I have no idea where the jury's head might be on this one. Usually I have a sense which way the verdict will go. But not so here, which breaks my heart. I've been highly invested in this case from the beginning.
I actually only listened and did not post on here.
The list of witnesses does not seem to go in any sequence I assume because of availability.
I can tell you by the audience crying and laughing where they stand on the case. Guilty! IMO.
I appreciate your investment in this case. I was angry the moment of their first interview. I do not post often but felt compelled to be here for the trial.
I would be shocked if they are not found guilty but Casey Anthony's verdict did happen.
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Morning Testimony, Part 2
DAY SIXTEEN - May 3, 2023
https://twitter.com/KGETnews
The trial has resumed and Timothy Hennessy, lead attorney for Trezell West, has begun cross-examination of Wanda West. #WestsTrial
Wanda West has begun crying after being asked if the Wests' four other boys were startled when police arrived at her home the day after Orrin and Orson were reported missing. "Of course they were," she said. #WestsTrial
Wanda West confirmed she is the woman who can be heard crying in the background as the children are interviewed. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she heard Orrin and Orson had been taken by somebody. She said she can't recall if she was told it was a murder investigation the morning police arrived. #WestsTrial
Wanda West agreed it's shocking to her because her son and Jacqueline are being talked about as being "monstrous people." She said they fell in love with the boys and never wanted them to be hurt, they cared for them as far as she saw. #WestsTrial
Wanda West testified she cooperated with authorities. She said she wanted to know the truth. #WestsTrial
Hennessy is going over Wanda West's actions on Dec. 19, 2020. #WestsTrial
"It's really hard to," Wanda West said when asked if it's hard to remember things from that long ago. #WestsTrial
Wanda West again said the last time she saw Orrin and Orson in February 2020. Hennessy asked if she told the FBI she saw them in April or May 2020. She said that's not correct. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said covid was a big deal for her family. They knew people who died. They stayed away from other people. #WestsTrial
Hennessy asked about Trezell doing "drive-bys" at her house. Wanda West said there were no drive-bys didn't involve a gun, prompting an outburst of laughter from the jury and audience. Hennessy clarified that he meant driving by for the children to say hi to her. #WestsTrial
Hennessy asked about a plan for her and her husband, Phillip, to pick out a room for visits. #WestsTrial
Hennessy asked if the policy of Trezell and Jacqueline West was to not give photos of the kids once adoption began. She said they had asked her not to take photos of the foster children because they knew she would post them on social media. #WestsTrial
She said it was the Wests' policy not to send photos of the children. #WestsTrial
Hennessy is asking about her visit to Cal City in September 2020 when the Wests moved. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she heard the couple come home the night of Sept 18, 2020, then woke them up the next morning because she got a message the U-Haul was due. The Wests rented the truck for another day. #WestsTrial
I did not see Orrin or Orson," she said. She confirmed that didn't seem out of the ordinary because she believed they were at Jacqueline's mother's house. #WestsTrial
Wanda West testified it was her understanding Orrin and Orson would stay with the Wests when the other children spent Dec. 19-23, 2020 at her house. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said one of the reasons the four other children would stay with her but not Orrin and Orson was because the latter two had learning disabilities and cried a lot and she couldn't give them the time they needed while watching the other 4. #WestsTrial
Wanda West, under questioning by Hennessy, said she had forgotten they needed to go to the credit union on Dec. 19 until Trezell reminded her. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she tried to get custody of the other children. "Yes, because they're my relatives, they're my kids," she said. She said her son put up a reward for info about Orrin and Orson, and she thinks another relative hired a private investigator. #WestsTrial
Wanda West confirmed one of the Wests' biological children told her he had talked with a case worker and another person about the case. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she was not threatened by law enforcement. YouTubers threatened her, she said. #WestsTrial
Hennessy ended his questioning. Wanda West has been excused. #WestsTrial
DAY SIXTEEN - May 3, 2023
https://twitter.com/KGETnews
The trial has resumed and Timothy Hennessy, lead attorney for Trezell West, has begun cross-examination of Wanda West. #WestsTrial
Wanda West has begun crying after being asked if the Wests' four other boys were startled when police arrived at her home the day after Orrin and Orson were reported missing. "Of course they were," she said. #WestsTrial
Wanda West confirmed she is the woman who can be heard crying in the background as the children are interviewed. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she heard Orrin and Orson had been taken by somebody. She said she can't recall if she was told it was a murder investigation the morning police arrived. #WestsTrial
Wanda West agreed it's shocking to her because her son and Jacqueline are being talked about as being "monstrous people." She said they fell in love with the boys and never wanted them to be hurt, they cared for them as far as she saw. #WestsTrial
Wanda West testified she cooperated with authorities. She said she wanted to know the truth. #WestsTrial
Hennessy is going over Wanda West's actions on Dec. 19, 2020. #WestsTrial
"It's really hard to," Wanda West said when asked if it's hard to remember things from that long ago. #WestsTrial
Wanda West again said the last time she saw Orrin and Orson in February 2020. Hennessy asked if she told the FBI she saw them in April or May 2020. She said that's not correct. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said covid was a big deal for her family. They knew people who died. They stayed away from other people. #WestsTrial
Hennessy asked about Trezell doing "drive-bys" at her house. Wanda West said there were no drive-bys didn't involve a gun, prompting an outburst of laughter from the jury and audience. Hennessy clarified that he meant driving by for the children to say hi to her. #WestsTrial
Hennessy asked about a plan for her and her husband, Phillip, to pick out a room for visits. #WestsTrial
Hennessy asked if the policy of Trezell and Jacqueline West was to not give photos of the kids once adoption began. She said they had asked her not to take photos of the foster children because they knew she would post them on social media. #WestsTrial
She said it was the Wests' policy not to send photos of the children. #WestsTrial
Hennessy is asking about her visit to Cal City in September 2020 when the Wests moved. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she heard the couple come home the night of Sept 18, 2020, then woke them up the next morning because she got a message the U-Haul was due. The Wests rented the truck for another day. #WestsTrial
I did not see Orrin or Orson," she said. She confirmed that didn't seem out of the ordinary because she believed they were at Jacqueline's mother's house. #WestsTrial
Wanda West testified it was her understanding Orrin and Orson would stay with the Wests when the other children spent Dec. 19-23, 2020 at her house. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said one of the reasons the four other children would stay with her but not Orrin and Orson was because the latter two had learning disabilities and cried a lot and she couldn't give them the time they needed while watching the other 4. #WestsTrial
Wanda West, under questioning by Hennessy, said she had forgotten they needed to go to the credit union on Dec. 19 until Trezell reminded her. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she tried to get custody of the other children. "Yes, because they're my relatives, they're my kids," she said. She said her son put up a reward for info about Orrin and Orson, and she thinks another relative hired a private investigator. #WestsTrial
Wanda West confirmed one of the Wests' biological children told her he had talked with a case worker and another person about the case. #WestsTrial
Wanda West said she was not threatened by law enforcement. YouTubers threatened her, she said. #WestsTrial
Hennessy ended his questioning. Wanda West has been excused. #WestsTrial
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Morning Testimony, Part 3
DAY SIXTEEN - May 3, 2023
https://twitter.com/KGETnews
California City police Officer Brian Hansen has been re-called to the stand. #WestsTrial
He has identified an aerial view of the Wests' Cal City home and surrounding area. #WestsTrial
Hansen has been asked about officers responding to the home of a Ramon Hernandez. Hansen said he recalls going to that home. He said he did not seize surveillance footage from that home. #WestsTrial
Hansen testified he went to a Dollar General in California City. After reviewing a report, he said he went there on Dec. 30, 2020 to get video from Dec. 19 and saw Trezell West enter the store. He was by himself, Hansen said. #WestsTrial
Smith ended his questioning. Alekxia Torres Stallings, lead counsel for Jacqueline, asked why Hansen didn't seize the footage. He said he believes it was their intention to seize it but they never got around to it. He didn't write a report, body cam wasn't on. #WestsTrial
Torres Stallings asked if he spoke with Wanda and Phillip West when arriving at their home on Dec. 22, 2020. He said yes but said he didn't tell them the boys were malnourished, that Trezell and Jacqueline had murdered Orrin and Orson. #WestsTrial
Hansen testified he wrote a report about that day. He said he believes he had a camera on when he spoke with the Wests. He said he has not reviewed the video. #WestsTrial
Torres Stallings ended her questioning and Victor Nasser, an attorney for Trezell, is questioning Hansen. Hansen said he doesn't believe he told anyone to retrieve the video from Ramon Hernandez's house. He said he believes a lieutenant knew about the video. #WestsTrial
Hansen has been excused. #WestsTrial
Court is in recess until 1:30 p.m. #WestsTrial
DAY SIXTEEN - May 3, 2023
https://twitter.com/KGETnews
California City police Officer Brian Hansen has been re-called to the stand. #WestsTrial
He has identified an aerial view of the Wests' Cal City home and surrounding area. #WestsTrial
Hansen has been asked about officers responding to the home of a Ramon Hernandez. Hansen said he recalls going to that home. He said he did not seize surveillance footage from that home. #WestsTrial
Hansen testified he went to a Dollar General in California City. After reviewing a report, he said he went there on Dec. 30, 2020 to get video from Dec. 19 and saw Trezell West enter the store. He was by himself, Hansen said. #WestsTrial
Smith ended his questioning. Alekxia Torres Stallings, lead counsel for Jacqueline, asked why Hansen didn't seize the footage. He said he believes it was their intention to seize it but they never got around to it. He didn't write a report, body cam wasn't on. #WestsTrial
Torres Stallings asked if he spoke with Wanda and Phillip West when arriving at their home on Dec. 22, 2020. He said yes but said he didn't tell them the boys were malnourished, that Trezell and Jacqueline had murdered Orrin and Orson. #WestsTrial
Hansen testified he wrote a report about that day. He said he believes he had a camera on when he spoke with the Wests. He said he has not reviewed the video. #WestsTrial
Torres Stallings ended her questioning and Victor Nasser, an attorney for Trezell, is questioning Hansen. Hansen said he doesn't believe he told anyone to retrieve the video from Ramon Hernandez's house. He said he believes a lieutenant knew about the video. #WestsTrial
Hansen has been excused. #WestsTrial
Court is in recess until 1:30 p.m. #WestsTrial
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Afternoon Testimony, Part 1
DAY SIXTEEN - May 3, 2023
https://twitter.com/KGETnews
Sunya Bartin has taken the stand. She works for CPS. She interviewed the Wests' eldest child when he said he saw Orrin West die. #WestsTrial
Correction: Last name is Barton. #WestsTrial
She was the lead forensic interviewer and is now a supervisor in the department. #WestsTrial
Her bachelor's is in psychology and her master's in social work. #WestsTrial
A forensic interview is an interview with a child regarding an incident. She has received training in how to conduct these interviews. #WestsTrial
Interviews take place at the Jess Diamond Child Assessment Center at the Jamison Center. #WestsTrial
Barton children are asked open-ended questions. They're asked if they know the difference between a truth and a lie. #WestsTrial
If it's determined the child is not emotionally or mentally capable to proceed, it doesn't mean the story they're telling isn't true. #WestsTrial
They'll proceed with the interview. The social worker will have been given some information from law enforcement about what the case is about. #WestsTrial
Barton said they don't put words in a child's mouth. "Sometimes we walk out of there and we don't have an answer," she said. #WestsTrial
The purpose of the interview is to get the child to tell their story how they remember it, Barton said. She tries not to ask questions that have yes or no answers. #WestsTrial
Barton said she remembers an interview she conducted with one of the Wests' adopted children after Orrin and Orson were reported missing. #WestsTrial
A sidebar has been requested by defense attorney Timothy Hennessy. #WestsTrial
The judge and attorneys are back. Smith is going to play a video of the interview Barton had with the child. #WestsTrial
The video has begun. It occurred at about 11:30 a.m. on Dec. 22, 2020. #WestsTrial
The child enters the frame and sits on a chair and Barton sits on the couch and starts talking with him. #WestsTrial
The boy was 8 at the time. He promises to tell the truth. #WestsTrial
The boy said he goes to school at his house and his parents teach him. He said he likes it, likes getting stickers. #WestsTrial
The boy is asked about living in Bakersfield and who was in the apartment with him. He couldn't remember at first, but then said he remembers it was him and his brothers (including Orrin and Orson) and his parents. #WestsTrial
The boy says Orrin went to his grandmother's house and Orson left. #WestsTrial
The boy says he hasn't seen Orrin and Orson since they moved but they're going to come back. #WestsTrial
He says there was space on the bunk beds for the boys and that the Wests' eldest son said they would come back. #WestsTrial
Starting a new thread. The boy says he's worried about both Orrin and Orson. He say he wants them to return to play with him. #WestsTrial
The boy says the Wests' biological children talked about where Orrin and Orson went but he doesn't know where they went. #WestsTrial
Barton leaves for a minute then returns and resumes questioning. Asked who moved from Bakersfield to Cal City, the boy names his other brothers but not Orrin and Orson. #WestsTrial
The video has ended. Smith is now going to play an interview Barton had with one of the Wests' biological children. #WestsTrial
The boy is 7. #WestsTrial
He says he went to his grandmother Wanda's house over the weekend for vacation. #WestsTrial
Barton asks why he's here to talk with her. He says he doesn't know, he's just there. #WestsTrial
"Where did Orrin and Orson go?" Barton asks. "They went to their own home because they cried a lot," the boy says. He says his parents told him that. #WestsTrial
Asked again, the boy confirms the boys never went to California City. #WestsTrial
The boy says his dad spanked Orrin and Orson, all of the children. Asked if the spankings left marks, the boy says no, but they would bleed. #WestsTrial
The boy says the metal part of a belt his dad used would make them bleed. #WestsTrial
The boy says his father spanked them to make them be quiet. Orrin and Orson also bled from spanking, he says. He says his dad would tell them to shut up. The video ends. #WestsTrial
Smith ended his questioning. #WestsTrial
DAY SIXTEEN - May 3, 2023
https://twitter.com/KGETnews
Sunya Bartin has taken the stand. She works for CPS. She interviewed the Wests' eldest child when he said he saw Orrin West die. #WestsTrial
Correction: Last name is Barton. #WestsTrial
She was the lead forensic interviewer and is now a supervisor in the department. #WestsTrial
Her bachelor's is in psychology and her master's in social work. #WestsTrial
A forensic interview is an interview with a child regarding an incident. She has received training in how to conduct these interviews. #WestsTrial
Interviews take place at the Jess Diamond Child Assessment Center at the Jamison Center. #WestsTrial
Barton children are asked open-ended questions. They're asked if they know the difference between a truth and a lie. #WestsTrial
If it's determined the child is not emotionally or mentally capable to proceed, it doesn't mean the story they're telling isn't true. #WestsTrial
They'll proceed with the interview. The social worker will have been given some information from law enforcement about what the case is about. #WestsTrial
Barton said they don't put words in a child's mouth. "Sometimes we walk out of there and we don't have an answer," she said. #WestsTrial
The purpose of the interview is to get the child to tell their story how they remember it, Barton said. She tries not to ask questions that have yes or no answers. #WestsTrial
Barton said she remembers an interview she conducted with one of the Wests' adopted children after Orrin and Orson were reported missing. #WestsTrial
A sidebar has been requested by defense attorney Timothy Hennessy. #WestsTrial
The judge and attorneys are back. Smith is going to play a video of the interview Barton had with the child. #WestsTrial
The video has begun. It occurred at about 11:30 a.m. on Dec. 22, 2020. #WestsTrial
The child enters the frame and sits on a chair and Barton sits on the couch and starts talking with him. #WestsTrial
The boy was 8 at the time. He promises to tell the truth. #WestsTrial
The boy said he goes to school at his house and his parents teach him. He said he likes it, likes getting stickers. #WestsTrial
The boy is asked about living in Bakersfield and who was in the apartment with him. He couldn't remember at first, but then said he remembers it was him and his brothers (including Orrin and Orson) and his parents. #WestsTrial
The boy says Orrin went to his grandmother's house and Orson left. #WestsTrial
The boy says he hasn't seen Orrin and Orson since they moved but they're going to come back. #WestsTrial
He says there was space on the bunk beds for the boys and that the Wests' eldest son said they would come back. #WestsTrial
Starting a new thread. The boy says he's worried about both Orrin and Orson. He say he wants them to return to play with him. #WestsTrial
The boy says the Wests' biological children talked about where Orrin and Orson went but he doesn't know where they went. #WestsTrial
Barton leaves for a minute then returns and resumes questioning. Asked who moved from Bakersfield to Cal City, the boy names his other brothers but not Orrin and Orson. #WestsTrial
The video has ended. Smith is now going to play an interview Barton had with one of the Wests' biological children. #WestsTrial
The boy is 7. #WestsTrial
He says he went to his grandmother Wanda's house over the weekend for vacation. #WestsTrial
Barton asks why he's here to talk with her. He says he doesn't know, he's just there. #WestsTrial
"Where did Orrin and Orson go?" Barton asks. "They went to their own home because they cried a lot," the boy says. He says his parents told him that. #WestsTrial
Asked again, the boy confirms the boys never went to California City. #WestsTrial
The boy says his dad spanked Orrin and Orson, all of the children. Asked if the spankings left marks, the boy says no, but they would bleed. #WestsTrial
The boy says the metal part of a belt his dad used would make them bleed. #WestsTrial
The boy says his father spanked them to make them be quiet. Orrin and Orson also bled from spanking, he says. He says his dad would tell them to shut up. The video ends. #WestsTrial
Smith ended his questioning. #WestsTrial
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