GUILTY CA - Classic (Orson West, 3) & Cincere (Orrin West, 4), still missing, Calif. City, *Mistrial on counts 4 & 5)* 21 Dec 2020 #8

[Chelly]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659319660989550594

Asking if it is an overt act that makes it a guilty verdict. I believe this was in jury instructions also.
Attorneys left the courtroom.

Clearly the jury isn't finding clarity in the jury instructions.

 

[Chelly]

Anyone have a feeling jury will go home and sleep on it?

 

[Deerrun]

Anyone have a feeling jury will go home and sleep on it?

No I think they are filling out the forms now. (Wishful thinking)

 

[MsMarple]

It’s 4:27. Even if the jury has come to a verdict they may wait until tomorrow to notify.

 

[cuffem]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659339564610093056

 

[Tricia]

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[wary]

Anyone have a feeling jury will go home and sleep on it?

I almost asked that myself! I think it’s quite likely.

 

[cuffem]

Clearly the jury isn't finding clarity in the jury instructions.

It was over a week ago they got them and it was an hour of instructions. They did get a transcript. I am not sure why the jury instructions were not done after closings.

 

[cuffem]

I almost asked that myself! I think it’s quite likely.

They have already gone home. Read previous tweets

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659340939868139520

 

[wary]

They have already gone home. Read previous tweets

I did read them. Perhaps I misinterpreted the previous post? In any case, I wondered if the jury had come to a decision, but wanted to go home and sleep on it, rather than rushing to finish up today.

 

[cuffem]

I did read them. Perhaps I misinterpreted the previous post? In any case, I wondered if the jury had come to a decision, but wanted to go home and sleep on it, rather than rushing to finish up today.

There are 7 counts for 2 defendants. I would assume that takes awhile to go over each and from the the questions asked today they may be leaning one way but are not decided on one or two counts.
It is good they take their time and get it right.
I have no worries by the questions that were asked today.

 

[PommyMommy]

Darn it! Maybe tomorrow...

They have already gone home. Read previous tweets

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659340939868139520

Thank you for all the updates, cuffem.

Here's what I have for today's deliberations:

9:10am - Resumed deliberations
10:22am - 15 min break
12:00pm - 1:30pm - Lunch
3:12pm - 15 min break
4:31pm - Jury left for the day

5.4 hours 5/18/23
5.25 hours 5/17/23
10.65 hours total so far

 

[cuffem]

I think the jury has paid attention to this trial and clearly understands, it is the legal speak they probably need clarifying.
The jury Instructions were an hour long and complicated with 7 counts for 2 defendants. So I see them them taking their time and asking questions.IMO.

I hope the Wests are sweating!

 

[PommyMommy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659315069916725248

Count 5 is the second-degree murder charge for Orson, right? Do we know what Instruction 1B was? I went back to the jury instructions but they're not numbered. MOO

 

[cuffem]

Count 5 is the second-degree murder charge for Orson, right? Do we know what Instruction 1B was? I went back to the jury instructions but they're not numbered. MOO

Let me think about it, I remember the 1b part but it was a week ago and not coming to me at the moment. I hope to remember it at 2am while I am sleeping.
I had flashes of the boys faces and the Websleuths page coming in my dreams.

 

[cuffem]

Count 5 is the second-degree murder charge for Orson, right? Do we know what Instruction 1B was? I went back to the jury instructions but they're not numbered. MOO

Pommy,
I thought count 5 was Orrin but I had a ? mark in my notes and did not see it in the tweets.
Count 2 involuntary manslaughter, unlawful killing but did not intend to kill.
Counts 3 and 6 child abuse.
Count 3 Orrin Count 6 Orson
Counts 1, 4 and 5 murder regarding Orrin?
Count 4 conspiracy to commit murder
Count 7 false reporting of a crime.
They are charged with 2nd degree manslaughter

I am not sure these are correct but that is what I wrote.

 

[PommyMommy]

Pommy,
I thought count 5 was Orrin but I had a ? mark in my notes and did not see it in the tweets.
Count 2 involuntary manslaughter
Counts 3 and 6 child abuse.
Count 3 Orrin Count 6 Orson
Counts 1, 4 and 5 murder regarding Orrin?
Count 4 conspiracy to commit murder
Count 7 false reporting of a crime.
They are charged with 2nd degree manslaughter

I am not sure these are correct but that is what I wrote.

Here we go!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659316029330423808

Count 1 Second-degree Murder - Orrin
Count 2 Involuntary Manslaughter - Orrin
Count 3 Willful Cruelty to a Child - Orrin
Count 4 Conspiracy to Commit Murder - Orson
Count 5 Second-degree Murder - Orson
Count 6 Willful Cruelty to a Child - Orson
Count 7 False Report to Law Enforcement

 

[Knox]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659340939868139520

Click on "jury has left for the day" - interesting comment. Hope it's true!

 

[cuffem]

Here we go!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659316029330423808

Count 1 Second-degree Murder - Orrin
Count 2 Involuntary Manslaughter - Orrin
Count 3 Willful Cruelty to a Child - Orrin
Count 4 Conspiracy to Commit Murder - Orson
Count 5 Second-degree Murder - Orson
Count 6 Willful Cruelty to a Child - Orson
Count 7 False Report to Law Enforcement

Thank you I had not seen this. I did get the boys switched. First time seeing it written out. I could not find it in any recent articles during trial.

 

[LovesPeace2]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1659340939868139520

Click on "jury has left for the day" - interesting comment. Hope it's true!

I hope so. I hope there's justice