CA - Court upholds Menendez brothers' convictions

[Nadal]

@Bekind89 & @Swirlz — Thank you. I was asking bekind if they had watched the trial because I had gone back through & read the headlines from when their trials were going on. Much of what Bekind (& others) say, are almost identical to the headlines.

IMO , the media can greatly influence our opinions..

IMO, a newer example of this would be The Karen Read Trial. I could easily spot those who had actually watched the trial, versus those who read a handful of headlines or watched a certain crime channel. But, it makes sense.. When that’s all you hear

A study on this would be interesting!

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They also became a common comedy routine they were portrayed on SNL iirc and their claims of sexual abuse were roundly mocked and laughed at including their testimony. Even if you don't believe them that stuff is not funny.

My mom was shocked when she heard about Roy Rossello and how the claims against Jose may be true because she knew the case from this ridiculous lifetime movie - Menendez: A Killing in Beverly Hills (1994)

The media did a number on people it was a circus.

 

[Bekind89]

They also became a common comedy routine they were portrayed on SNL iirc and their claims of sexual abuse were roundly mocked and laughed at including their testimony. Even if you don't believe them that stuff is not funny.

My mom was shocked when she heard about Roy Rossello and how the claims against Jose may be true because she knew the case from this ridiculous lifetime movie - Menendez: A Killing in Beverly Hills (1994)

The media did a number on people it was a circus.

"The media did a number on people it was a circus."

Yes, the media did a number on those young men- they were NOT boys- .
However, nothing excuses the brutal, and I mean brutal, execution of their parents.
The media also posted the crime scene photos and it was horrifying.

So even if the abuse is true, and it hasn't been proven that their parents abused them in my opinion, it still wouldn't excuse the vicious and cold blooded murders.

This is just my opinion and I understand that others may feel differently.

They were already breaking the law before the murders and they are still breaking the law behind bars.
All my opinion only.

 

[otto]

@Bekind89 & @Swirlz — Thank you. I was asking bekind if they had watched the trial because I had gone back through & read the headlines from when their trials were going on. Much of what Bekind (& others) say, are almost identical to the headlines.

IMO , the media can greatly influence our opinions..

IMO, a newer example of this would be The Karen Read Trial. I could easily spot those who had actually watched the trial, versus those who read a handful of headlines or watched a certain crime channel. But, it makes sense.. When that’s all you hear

A study on this would be interesting!

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I think people deserve a little more credit than to assume that opinions are solely influenced by media. This document, from the LA County District Attorney's office, presents 20 reasons to believe that both Erik and Lyle Menendez will commit murder and distort truth to get what they want.

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[Bekind89]

I think people deserve a little more credit than to assume that opinions are solely influenced by media. This document, from the LA County District Attorney's office, presents 20 reasons to believe that both Erik and Lyle Menendez will commit murder and distort truth to get what they want.

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Thank you for posting this. Yes i followed this case in real time.
They lied and they lied and they lied. About everything as you as so kindly posted this list.
with all due respect, the media coverage didn't influence my opinion of this crime, their behavior both before the murders and after did.
I truly believe those two are dangerous to others and shouldn't be released.
They have been criminals all of their life and that isn't going to change, imho.

ETA- Thank you, Otto, much appreciated.

 

[Nadal]

"The media did a number on people it was a circus."

Yes, the media did a number on those young men- they were NOT boys- .
However, nothing excuses the brutal, and I mean brutal, execution of their parents.
The media also posted the crime scene photos and it was horrifying.

So even if the abuse is true, and it hasn't been proven that their parents abused them in my opinion, it still wouldn't excuse the vicious and cold blooded murders.

This is just my opinion and I understand that others may feel differently.

They were already breaking the law before the murders and they are still breaking the law behind bars.
All my opinion only.

It's a good thing i've not excused the murders of their parents then i've posted my view on the matter twice in this thread you liked one of them.

My issue as i stated twice is the murder of Kitty and the thefts and planned other thefts they all tell me they were majorly financially motivated, i said i don't buy the recent narrative that the murders were entirely revenge/self-defence driven. If they only killed Jose i'd maybe feel differently because that man was a paedophile who raped Lyle, Erik and Roy and likely others IMO.

 

[Colleen Donnelly]

A study on this would be interesting!

I agree with you that there are those whom only read the lede and perhaps the first paragraph which ultimately contains exactly what the lede was. So no real knowledge gained.

There are studies! A culture of sharing the information first is extremely important to some. Here's an interesting read from PennState: Social media users probably won’t read beyond this headline, researchers say | Penn State University

I do agree with most posters though. Those 2 adult men belong where they are and I hope they never see a second out of prison.

 

[Nadal]

I think people deserve a little more credit than to assume that opinions are solely influenced by media. This document, from the LA County District Attorney's office, presents 20 reasons to believe that both Erik and Lyle Menendez will commit murder and distort truth to get what they want.

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A lot of them can be explained by them not wanting people to know their dad raped them though.

FTR when i said "the media did a number on people" i wasn't necessarily talking about people here who are seriously interested in crime i was talking about the general public who aren't which is the majority. The types who got all their Casey Anthony news from Nancy Grace.

However i'll also say anyone interested should watch the Trials if they have time to familiarize themselves and i know some haven't since they said the cousins didn't testify when they did.

 

[Bekind89]

I agree with you that there are those whom only read the lede and perhaps the first paragraph which ultimately contains exactly what the lede was. So no real knowledge gained.

There are studies! A culture of sharing the information first is extremely important to some. Here's an interesting read from PennState: Social media users probably won’t read beyond this headline, researchers say | Penn State University

I do agree with most posters though. Those 2 adult men belong where they are and I hope they never see a second out of prison.

I watched every moment of that trial, I did not require headlines from the media to form my opinion. With all due respect, that is a bit insulting even though you may not have meant it to be.

 

[Bekind89]

It's a good thing i've not excused the murders of their parents then i've posted my view on the matter twice in this thread you liked one of them.

My issue as i stated twice is the murder of Kitty and the thefts and planned other thefts they all tell me they were majorly financially motivated, i said i don't buy the recent narrative that the murders were entirely revenge/self-defence driven. If they only killed Jose i'd maybe feel differently because that man was a paedophile who raped Lyle, Erik and Roy and likely others IMO.

We agree on that. We disagree about the abuse. I'm not saying it didn't happen, what I'm saying is that in my opinion there isn't enough evidence to convince me that their father abused them. We can't just take the word of two proven liars with a major motive to lie about this.
They lost any credibility when they repeatedly lied and attempted to get others to lie on the stand for them.
I don't understand why others can't understand this.
I truly can't.

 

[Nadal]

We agree on that. We disagree about the abuse. I'm not saying it didn't happen, what I'm saying is that in my opinion there isn't enough evidence to convince me that their father abused them. We can't just take the word of two proven liars with a major motive to lie about this.
They lost any credibility when they repeatedly lied and attempted to get others to lie on the stand for them.
I don't understand why others can't understand this.
I truly can't.

No offence but i don't know why you keep acting like only Lyle and Erik are claiming he was a child sexual abuser. Roy Rosello, the two cousins, the pictures all point towards this too as detailed in a post above. Roy has nothing to do with the family and he claims Jose raped him when he was 14. Nobody is only taking Lyle and Erik's word, Roy's claim is what altered so many's opinions. It's very credible.

 

[Bekind89]

No offence but i don't know why you keep acting like only Lyle and Erik are claiming he was a child sexual abuser. Roy Rosello, the two cousins, the pictures all point towards this too as detailed in a post above. Roy has nothing to do with the family and he claims Jose raped him when he was 14. Nobody is only taking Lyle and Erik's word, Roy's claim is what altered so many's opinions. It's very credible.

No offense to you as well but it doesn't mean he abused his sons.
We will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Nadal]

No offense to you as well but it doesn't mean he abused his sons.
We will have to agree to disagree.

It gives it a lot of credibility though and it means you saying you have to take the word of Lyle and Erik is incorrect if you believe Roy then you have to consider who else he abused especially claims that existed decades before Roy came forward. Roy is the most credible claimant i don't think many would disagree with that.

 

[Nadal]

I think this is comparable to Michael Jackson or R Kelly. If you take those who claimed MJ abused them in the 2000s seriously then you've got to seriously consider the much earlier claimants in the 90s. If you believe those who claimed R Kelly abused them then you've got to seriously wonder about Aaliyah his child bride essentially.

When it was just Lyle and Erik i was skeptical but Roy gives the claims serious credibility especially with the fact that they told people about the abuse years before the murders and the photos. No one has to agree of course just making it clear my position and cases i find similar.

 

[Bekind89]

It gives it a lot of credibility though and it means you saying you have to take the word of Lyle and Erik is incorrect if you believe Roy then you have to consider who else he abused especially claims that existed decades before Roy came forward. Roy is the most credible claimant i don't think many would disagree with that.

Once again, I have seen no evidence that he abused his sons, no matter what else he is accused of. He can't defend himself because his sons murdered him.
I'm sorry that you can't seem to accept my opinion on this.
My opinion will not change so as I suggested before, we should just agree to disagree. This back and forth is pointless, imo.

 

[Nadal]

Once again, I have seen no evidence that he abused his sons, no matter what else he is accused of. He can't defend himself because his sons murdered him.
I'm sorry that you can't seem to accept my opinion on this.
My opinion will not change so as I suggested before, we should just agree to disagree. This back and forth is pointless, imo.

You were the one who quoted me and restarted this conversation i hadn't said anything to you in ages.

 

[Bekind89]

You were the one who quoted me and restarted this conversation i hadn't said anything to you in ages.

Then all is good. Have a great day.

 

[Nadal]

Once again, I have seen no evidence that he abused his sons, no matter what else he is accused of. He can't defend himself because his sons murdered him.
I'm sorry that you can't seem to accept my opinion on this.
My opinion will not change so as I suggested before, we should just agree to disagree. This back and forth is pointless, imo.

Actually to be clear here's the last time i engaged you - CA - Court upholds Menendez brothers' convictions

After your next response i let it be then you initiated conversation with me here - CA - Court upholds Menendez brothers' convictions

I don't like the idea that i can't accept your opinion i did, i moved on and you started up the conversation again.

 

[Bekind89]

Actually to be clear here's the last time i engaged you - CA - Court upholds Menendez brothers' convictions

After your next response i let it be then you initiated conversation with me here - CA - Court upholds Menendez brothers' convictions

I don't like the idea that i can't accept your opinion i did, i moved on and you started up the conversation again.

Then all is good and my apologies if I misconstrued your post. I have MS and sometimes it difficult with the cog fog that it causes.

 

[SophieRose]

A lot of them can be explained by them not wanting people to know their dad raped them though.

FTR when i said "the media did a number on people" i wasn't necessarily talking about people here who are seriously interested in crime i was talking about the general public who aren't which is the majority. The types who got all their Casey Anthony news from Nancy Grace.

However i'll also say anyone interested should watch the Trials if they have time to familiarize themselves and i know some haven't since they said the cousins didn't testify when they did.

Did you read the list? How do these lies apply to the their claimed sexual abuse?

 

[Inthedetails]

I honestly don't think they'd commit further crimes. I think they would go the Damian Echols route, write a book that sells well, get paid for interviews, etc. In the current climate i could see a book on the sexual abuse being a bestseller.

Lyle and Erik really weren't cut out for crime and i cannot picture them even knowing how to commit serious financial crimes, the robbery and planned further robberies sounded very stupid. Barry Minkow was obviously going to commit financial crimes upon a release, i don't see it in Lyle and Erik even if they wanted to.

The parole board specifically mentioned tax fraud committed while behind bars, in recent years. I absolutely think they are susceptible to committing financial crimes if let out and I don't think even a best seller would provide enough income for these two to ride out the rest of their lives. And I don't see them satisfied doing a regular job at this stage of the game. My opinion.

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