Found Deceased CA - Crystal McCarthy, 37, belongings found under a bridge, Napa, 13 Dec 2021

  • #81
From the article:

Napa police detective Brandt Keown said the department isn’t considering foul play at this point, given the information they have, and that the homeless man has been cooperative and forthcoming in interviews with police.

Why is everybody so sure the homeless man is up to no good?
 
  • #82
From the article:

Napa police detective Brandt Keown said the department isn’t considering foul play at this point, given the information they have, and that the homeless man has been cooperative and forthcoming in interviews with police.

Why is everybody so sure the homeless man is up to no good?

its important to keep this mindset. I agree with you, that passing blame or being sure of something with obviously limited knowledge is not a smart choice. I won’t argue that.

I just believe based off what I have gathered, this homeless man will be found at fault, but unless her body is found, we won’t ever know. She put herself in a position that gives him an easy way out for as long as their are no witnesses and the body isn’t found. Under the bridge, water crashing, late at night..... who would know? Him being released from prison, says he knows very well police need more evidence to charge. Prison folk are dumb, but they aren’t.
 
  • #83
its important to keep this mindset. I agree with you, that passing blame or being sure of something with obviously limited knowledge is not a smart choice. I won’t argue that.

I just believe based off what I have gathered, this homeless man will be found at fault, but unless her body is found, we won’t ever know. She put herself in a position that gives him an easy way out for as long as their are no witnesses and the body isn’t found. Under the bridge, water crashing, late at night..... who would know? Him being released from prison, says he knows very well police need more evidence to charge. Prison folk are dumb, but they aren’t.

Do we even know why he was incarcerated? Just because he was in prison does not mean he was violent or deviant. Also why would he "try something" in a torrential downfall? Not trying to be too argumentative, but I'm more of the opinion she liked to hang out with the homeless colony under the bridge and after a few drinks slipped and fell into the water. Why make it more nefarious than that?
 
  • #84
Do we even know why he was incarcerated? Just because he was in prison does not mean he was violent or deviant. Also why would he "try something" in a torrential downfall? Not trying to be too argumentative, but I'm more of the opinion she liked to hang out with the homeless colony under the bridge and after a few drinks slipped and fell into the water. Why make it more nefarious than that?

Why stand up for a homeless ex convict, regardless of what he was in for, and rather claim she just slipped? Im all about being fair, and my opinion doesn’t matter to his guilt or not, but occams razor says he had something to do with it.

Sounds like you are of a similar mindset as she was and that’s perfectly fine. Just tell me something...... what woman in her right mind, would have alcoholic drinks with a man she barely met (homeless man at that!), under a bridge with raging water going by late at night?

She could have slipped, but that would mean she voluntarily took her shoes off. In the rain. While drinking with a man she just met(homeless man). Slippery.......yea ok, still makes it an absolute horrible decision based on the events. Slipping on her own accord would suggest that supposedly all the info the homeless man claims happened, means nothing, snd she just slipped. Not the fact that they literally just met. Not the fact that she obviously didnt tell her bf she was going tonhave drinks with the homeless guy. Not the fact that he recently was released from prison. Not the fact that the weather and water rushing would damped screams and he would know that. Nevermind all the evidence pointing out that its likely the man knows more. Nope, lets just say that in all the time she has been going down there, she never slipped snd fell it, except the one time she comes across a homeless man fresh out of prison she doesn’t know, and has drinks with him under a bridge late at night.


Sorry, I dont think she just fell in on her own accord. Requires too many supposeds....
 
  • #85
Why stand up for a homeless ex convict, regardless of what he was in for, and rather claim she just slipped? Im all about being fair, and my opinion doesn’t matter to his guilt or not, but occams razor says he had something to do with it.

Sounds like you are of a similar mindset as she was and that’s perfectly fine. Just tell me something...... what woman in her right mind, would have alcoholic drinks with a man she barely met (homeless man at that!), under a bridge with raging water going by late at night?

She could have slipped, but that would mean she voluntarily took her shoes off. In the rain. While drinking with a man she just met(homeless man). Slippery.......yea ok, still makes it an absolute horrible decision based on the events. Slipping on her own accord would suggest that supposedly all the info the homeless man claims happened, means nothing, snd she just slipped. Not the fact that they literally just met. Not the fact that she obviously didnt tell her bf she was going tonhave drinks with the homeless guy. Not the fact that he recently was released from prison. Not the fact that the weather and water rushing would damped screams and he would know that. Nevermind all the evidence pointing out that its likely the man knows more. Nope, lets just say that in all the time she has been going down there, she never slipped snd fell it, except the one time she comes across a homeless man fresh out of prison she doesn’t know, and has drinks with him under a bridge late at night.


Sorry, I dont think she just fell in on her own accord. Requires too many supposeds....

The river was 8 ft above normal depth and flowing 1000 times the normal rate. I live on a river and when it's raging, being anywhere near it is dangerous. And apparently the homeless man had left before she ventured under the bridge. Why can't this be a tragic accident? I'll stop here before the mods delete us for arguing.
 
  • #86
Just a couple of thoughts.. I could believe one boot coming off in a struggle but not two.

Ex-prisoners don’t always tell the truth about the reasons they were jailed.
 
  • #87
Just a couple of thoughts.. I could believe one boot coming off in a struggle but not two.

Ex-prisoners don’t always tell the truth about the reasons they were jailed.

Not all ex prisoners are liars or bad people.
 
  • #88
The river was 8 ft above normal depth and flowing 1000 times the normal rate. I live on a river and when it's raging, being anywhere near it is dangerous. And apparently the homeless man had left before she ventured under the bridge. Why can't this be a tragic accident? I'll stop here before the mods delete us for arguing.
Its a tidal river. It raises twice a day and lowers. Sure, the added rain made it worse, but she was used to this and well aware of the situation.
 
  • #89
From the article:

Napa police detective Brandt Keown said the department isn’t considering foul play at this point, given the information they have, and that the homeless man has been cooperative and forthcoming in interviews with police.

Why is everybody so sure the homeless man is up to no good?
Maybe because he was recently released from prison, not knowing his crime, I'm skeptical. MOO
 
  • #90
Just a couple of thoughts.. I could believe one boot coming off in a struggle but not two.

Ex-prisoners don’t always tell the truth about the reasons they were jailed.
Yea 2 boots would be considerably more difficult, I agree.
 
  • #91
Not all ex prisoners are liars or bad people.

Agreed. I would never suggest otherwise. But a large percentage of the people who get put in prison are there because they’re capable of crime and they’re deceptive. That’s just a fact. Plus if they’re ex-prisoners and homeless, they may feel like they have little to lose.

That said, if someone harmed her and knew she’d been hanging out with ex-prisoners, they might also provide a useful distraction or cover.
 
  • #92
Agreed. I would never suggest otherwise. But a large percentage of the people who get put in prison are there because they’re capable of crime and they’re deceptive. That’s just a fact. Plus if they’re ex-prisoners and homeless, they may feel like they have little to lose.

Let's not be too hasty judging him until we find out why he was incarcerated. Homeless people are more likely to be sentenced as they don't have access to good legal representation. Even worse if they are a person of color. MOO
 
  • #93
Let's not be too hasty judging him until we find out why he was incarcerated. Homeless people are more likely to be sentenced as they don't have access to good legal representation. Even worse if they are a person of color. MOO

I’m not judging him, I don’t know him. I’m looking at the facts as we know them and thinking about the reasons why this woman might potentially have found herself in a more dangerous situation than she anticipated. It’s a completely reasonable line of discussion given that she has disappeared. It’s one possibility.

As I said though, ex-prisoners also make good scapegoats. That’s another possibility too.
 
  • #94
I’m not judging him, I don’t know him. I’m looking at the facts as we know them and thinking about the reasons why this woman might potentially have found herself in a more dangerous situation than she anticipated. It’s a completely reasonable line of discussion given that she has disappeared. It’s one possibility.

As I said though, ex-prisoners also make good scapegoats. That’s another possibility too.

Yes, certainly a possibility.
 
  • #95
Repeat comment DBM!
 
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  • #97
Well, if someone were last seen having a drink with a man she’d just met—out in an isolated place where she’d be very vulnerable, I’d feel suspicious.

Should the fact that this man she just met has just been released from prison—is this supposed to make me feel less suspicious?
 
  • #98
Well, if someone were last seen having a drink with a man she’d just met—out in an isolated place where she’d be very vulnerable, I’d feel suspicious.

Should the fact that this man she just met has just been released from prison—is this supposed to make me feel less suspicious?

You can feel suspicious, but don't jump to conclusions.
 
  • #99
Well, if someone were last seen having a drink with a man she’d just met—out in an isolated place where she’d be very vulnerable, I’d feel suspicious.

Should the fact that this man she just met has just been released from prison—is this supposed to make me feel less suspicious?
Exactly and TBH that’s not the last thing WE have been privy to. It is just her walking in the 7-11 so again we are just going off claims hebeas with her. Why say that they were seen in the footage buying alcohol together and then only show her walking in the door?

Eirhwr way, the person seeing someone missing is always suspect let alone being told he was recently released from prison that’s just a scary combo in general.
 
  • #100
Well, if someone were last seen having a drink with a man she’d just met—out in an isolated place where she’d be very vulnerable, I’d feel suspicious.

Should the fact that this man she just met has just been released from prison—is this supposed to make me feel less suspicious?
I wonder if she knew he'd recently been in prison? MOO
 

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