CA CA - Elaine Park, 20, Glendale, 28 Jan 2017

[LisaWL7TR]

I have an android phone, and if I get the passcode wrong 10 times, it warns me that it will wipe my SIM card.

Dang, never knew that.
ETA...I forgot I don't have a pass code on my phone.

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[Ayashley]

Does anyone know if Elaine is on the same phone plan as her mom? Or if she's on her own plan or if she pays it herself? I'm pretty sure if it's her moms plan or account they should be able to get into it.. That's how mine is. My dad is the account manager and so he can log into our provider and manage our accounts/get into our find iPhone and all that stuff.. This stuff may all some random but this is what I would be doing if I was locked out of my phone and was trying to get into it.. does she have a tablet or anything that you could maybe get into her gmail account and do those 'forgot password' things on all of her accounts until she could get into something? Or maybe if you plug the phone into a computer it might unlock or have some settings you could get into there? Does anyone know what kind of phone exactly it is?

 

[turanna25]

Erasing after 10 failed attempts is a setting you can turn on for iPhone too. It's in settings > Touch ID & Passcode, at the very bottom.

interesting! i had no idea! thanks!

 

[msphilosopher]

Does anyone know if Elaine is on the same phone plan as her mom? Or if she's on her own plan or if she pays it herself? I'm pretty sure if it's her moms plan or account they should be able to get into it.. That's how mine is. My dad is the account manager and so he can log into our provider and manage our accounts/get into our find iPhone and all that stuff.. This stuff may all some random but this is what I would be doing if I was locked out of my phone and was trying to get into it.. does she have a tablet or anything that you could maybe get into her gmail account and do those 'forgot password' things on all of her accounts until she could get into something? Or maybe if you plug the phone into a computer it might unlock or have some settings you could get into there? Does anyone know what kind of phone exactly it is?

iPhone 7 according to the Help Find Elaine Park FB page. As of Feb. 20th, the page said that they don't think they will be able to unlock the phone. All phone suppliers should have a contingency plan that if you become a missing person for so many days that your phone automatically unlocks if activated by the family.

If you become missing voluntary, it is very easy to destroy / wipe your phone so no data is recovered.

 

[GigTu]

Law enforcement can subpoena the carrier records, and I think the FBI can "just unlock it" with their own magic tools.

 

[Ayashley]

Hey just a suggestion maybe someone could make... but maybe since google has that recovery mode thing set up where if you can't get into your account you put in your phone number and it'll send you a text and she could type it in.. or I'm pretty sure her mom or bff would definitely for sure know the answers to those security questions like 'what is your mothers maiden name' and all that..

 

[msphilosopher]

Law enforcement can subpoena the carrier records, and I think the FBI can "just unlock it" with their own magic tools.

Is the FBI involved in this case? I don't see that anywhere.

I'm also curious what the carrier records can reveal as opposed to unlocking the phone. I assume personal DMs on SM accounts and personal notes in the phone are not on the carrier records.

 

[slowpoke]

On the Help Find Elaine Park page they shared the cctv evidence Elaine's mother received from the Glendale PD. The footage shows 4 captures, labeled:
- Uber Pick up & Drive Out - Clear Exit of Uber
- Uber Drop Off & Drive Out - Clear Entrance & Exit of Uber
- Elaine Exiting Alone 01/28/2017 - Last Known Footage of Elaine
- Plate Reader

Just some observations after seeing the video, though I don't know if any of my thoughts are significant:

When Elaine is shown walking with her bf, she walks ahead of him, quickly and confidently both to the Uber car from the house and upon returning.

There is no timestamps on this footage given to the mother.

On the Last Known Footage where Elaine is shown walking out to her car alone, as she heads toward the property wall before she goes out of the camera's view, there are 3 flashes of bright light coming from the left. Then right after that, on the right you can see 3 small flashes of light afterwards, almost like a reply. (Someone else also questions this in the Help Find page.) What is the explanation for that?

Elaine's body language does not seem to indicate distress, even the one where she is leaving alone. If she was in a panic state (per the bf), her body language does not show it. She walks purposefully with long strides and good posture, hair swinging.

The Plate Reader footage IS very dark. You can clearly make out the license plate, but barely anything else. I can kind of see the gate opening, but just barely.

https://www.facebook.com/helpfindel...084324451150/1804301133229469/?type=3&theater

 

[msphilosopher]

On the Help Find Elaine Park page they shared the cctv evidence Elaine's mother received from the Glendale PD. The footage shows 4 captures, labeled:
- Uber Pick up & Drive Out - Clear Exit of Uber
- Uber Drop Off & Drive Out - Clear Entrance & Exit of Uber
- Elaine Exiting Alone 01/28/2017 - Last Known Footage of Elaine
- Plate Reader

Just some observations after seeing the video, though I don't know if any of my thoughts are significant:

When Elaine is shown walking with her bf, she walks ahead of him, quickly and confidently both to the Uber car from the house and upon returning.

There is no timestamps on this footage given to the mother.

On the Last Known Footage where Elaine is shown walking out to her car alone, as she heads toward the property wall before she goes out of the camera's view, there are 3 flashes of bright light coming from the left. Then right after that, on the right you can see 3 small flashes of light afterwards, almost like a reply. (Someone else also questions this in the Help Find page.) What is the explanation for that?

Elaine's body language does not seem to indicate distress, even the one where she is leaving alone. If she was in a panic state (per the bf), her body language does not show it. She walks purposefully with long strides and good posture, hair swinging.

The Plate Reader footage IS very dark. You can clearly make out the license plate, but barely anything else. I can kind of see the gate opening, but just barely.

https://www.facebook.com/helpfindel...084324451150/1804301133229469/?type=3&theater

Wow, great observations. I'm officially freaked out after watching the flashes. Definitely seem slow, steady and deliberate. Not like an electrical problem or something.

Also, I find it interesting in the Uber pick up and then drop off you can see the car coming and going both times in the far background. But when Elaine exits, you don't see her car leave in the background because the video cuts off.

 

[msphilosopher]

"Eyewitness News reached out to Div and his family, who said they have no comment. Glendale police said the family has cooperated fully in the investigation and do not believe he or anyone at the property were involved in Elaine's disappearance."

http://abc7.com/news/family-pleads-for-help-to-find-glendale-woman-missing-since-january/1766991/

 

[turanna25]

Wow, great observations. I'm officially freaked out after watching the flashes. Definitely seem slow, steady and deliberate. Not like an electrical problem or something.

Also, I find it interesting in the Uber pick up and then drop off you can see the car coming and going both times in the far background. But when Elaine exits, you don't see her car leave in the background because the video cuts off.

Yea.. I think its interesting they don't show us her car leaving immediately.
The other thing I find interesting is those flashing lights are definitely slow and deliberate. Once they flash a few times they STAY ON. Then thats when the other lights on the right of the video almost respond to the initial flashes. Very odd.

It almost looks like its an outside light that someone put on from the inside. I wonder why it flashed three times though and why the lights to the right replied. Could someone have been in her vehicle? Or was she signaling to someone with her key faab "thanks for putting the lights on for me. I'm good"?

Also, the license reader portion looks like her car headlights were not on completely. And she seemed to very slowly pull away. Has anyone else noticed that her lights don't look like they are on completely or is it just me (could be! ha)?

 

[GigTu]

Two thoughts:

The firsts set of flashing lights on the left are the headlights from another car that is parked there. Maybe the resident clicked his fob from inside the house to illuminate her walkway, as a courtesy.

We do see Elaine leaving that area alone, but what if someone was already out there when she walked out?

 

[msphilosopher]

Is there a case map?

I'd like to see the distance between where Elaine was last seen, where the community gate captured her plate, to where her car was found.

 

[IllinoisMissing]

Two thoughts:

The firsts set of flashing lights on the left are the headlights from another car that is parked there. Maybe the resident clicked his fob from inside the house to illuminate her walkway, as a courtesy.

We do see Elaine leaving that area alone, but what if someone was already out there when she walked out?

Or someone else walked out just before her, opening his/her car and since we don't see her leaving, we also don't see a car following her. JMO

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[msphilosopher]

[FONT=helvetica, arial, times new roman]I'm torn between two theories. One, is that Elaine was progressively self-destructing and unhappy with her life which led to her disappearance. The second, is that she met foul play prior to leaving the community gate or immediately after leaving the community gate. [/FONT]

Here's the breakdown of information supporting either theory 1 (T1) or 2 (T2).
- Change in SM posting habits, stopped posting to Instagram. Supports T1

Source: https://www.instagram.com/9lain9/

- No longer attending school, dropped out. Supports T1


Source: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...oman-Seek-Help-at-Malibu-Beach-413365563.html

- Recently lost her job. Support T1


Source: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...oman-Seek-Help-at-Malibu-Beach-413365563.html


- Family issues at home. Support T1


Source: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...oman-Seek-Help-at-Malibu-Beach-413365563.html


- Elaine suffers from "bouts of depression". Supports T1


Source: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...oman-Seek-Help-at-Malibu-Beach-413365563.html

- She had a panic attack and left the house where she was last seen. This supports T1, if true.


Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/miss...ssing-california-daughter-elaine-park-n726186

- On NG podcast, her mom originally thought she committed suicide. And revealed a troubled relationship with her daughter. Supports T1


Source: https://art19.com/shows/crime-stories-with-nancy-grace

- Her friends are shocked she disappeared. This contradicts T1, making T2 more likely. Although, I think people with depression / unhappiness can hide this from their friends, but in Elaine's case she seems to be closer to friends than family making me think they would have not been "surprised" if T1 was true.


Source: [FONT=helvetica, arial, times new roman]http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/missing-in-america/mother-appeals-continued-help-search-missing-california-daughter-elaine-park-n726186
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[FONT=helvetica, arial, times new roman]- Elaine's friend said she doesn't see her coming here [where the car was found] at 6, 7, or 5 in the morning. Supports T2[/FONT]
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[FONT=helvetica, arial, times new roman]Source: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...oman-Seek-Help-at-Malibu-Beach-413365563.html[/FONT]

[FONT=helvetica, arial, times new roman]- Calabasas, the last know place she was seen alive, has not been searched. Searches only took place in Malibu where her car was found. Supports T2. [/FONT]


Source: http://www.latimes.com/socal/glendale-news-press/news/tn-gnp-me-elaine-park-20170207-story.html

[FONT=helvetica, arial, times new roman]- Time discrepancy between surveillance video of Elaine leaving the house (6:05 AM) to video of when her car leaves the neighborhood (7:14 AM). Supports T2. Until MSM confirms that the community surveillance video (7:14 AM) was an hour off due to the lack of updating the time to account for day light savings, this must be considered as the correct time. [/FONT]


Source: https://art19.com/shows/crime-stories-with-nancy-grace

- Timeline discrepancy. Elaine Park woke up at 4 AM with a panic attack, changed and left. But video shows her leaving at 6:05 AM with no overnight back (change of clothes). This supports T2.


Source of timeline: http://abc7.com/news/family-pleads-for-help-to-find-glendale-woman-missing-since-january/1766991/


Source of video: https://www.facebook.com/helpfindelainepark/?hc_ref=PAGES_TIMELINE&fref=nf

Source of video time: NG podcast

All JMO, I hope both my theories are wrong and she is found safe.
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[Steph9676]

[FONT=helvetica, arial, times new roman]I'm torn between two theories. One, is that Elaine was progressively self-destructing and unhappy with her life which led to her disappearance. The second, is that she met foul play prior to leaving the community gate or immediately after leaving the community gate. [/FONT]

Here's the breakdown of information supporting either theory 1 (T1) or 2 (T2).
- Change in SM posting habits, stopped posting to Instagram. Supports T1

Source: https://www.instagram.com/9lain9/

- No longer attending school, dropped out. Supports T1


Source: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...oman-Seek-Help-at-Malibu-Beach-413365563.html

- Recently lost her job. Support T1


Source: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...oman-Seek-Help-at-Malibu-Beach-413365563.html


- Family issues at home. Support T1


Source: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...oman-Seek-Help-at-Malibu-Beach-413365563.html


- Elaine suffers from "bouts of depression". Supports T1


Source: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...oman-Seek-Help-at-Malibu-Beach-413365563.html

- She had a panic attack and left the house where she was last seen. This supports T1, if true.


Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/miss...ssing-california-daughter-elaine-park-n726186

- On NG podcast, her mom originally thought she committed suicide. And revealed a troubled relationship with her daughter. Supports T1


Source: https://art19.com/shows/crime-stories-with-nancy-grace

- Her friends are shocked she disappeared. This contradicts T1, making T2 more likely. Although, I think people with depression / unhappiness can hide this from their friends, but in Elaine's case she seems to be closer to friends than family making me think they would have not been "surprised" if T1 was true.


Source: [FONT=helvetica, arial, times new roman]http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/missing-in-america/mother-appeals-continued-help-search-missing-california-daughter-elaine-park-n726186
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[FONT=helvetica, arial, times new roman]- Elaine's friend said she doesn't see her coming here [where the car was found] at 6, 7, or 5 in the morning. Supports T2[/FONT]
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[FONT=helvetica, arial, times new roman]Source: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...oman-Seek-Help-at-Malibu-Beach-413365563.html[/FONT]

[FONT=helvetica, arial, times new roman]- Calabasas, the last know place she was seen alive, has not been searched. Searches only took place in Malibu where her car was found. Supports T2. [/FONT]


Source: http://www.latimes.com/socal/glendale-news-press/news/tn-gnp-me-elaine-park-20170207-story.html

[FONT=helvetica, arial, times new roman]- Time discrepancy between surveillance video of Elaine leaving the house (6:05 AM) to video of when her car leaves the neighborhood (7:14 AM). Supports T2. Until MSM confirms that the community surveillance video (7:14 AM) was an hour off due to the lack of updating the time to account for day light savings, this must be considered as the correct time. [/FONT]


Source: https://art19.com/shows/crime-stories-with-nancy-grace

- Timeline discrepancy. Elaine Park woke up at 4 AM with a panic attack, changed and left. But video shows her leaving at 6:05 AM with no overnight back (change of clothes). This supports T2.


Source of timeline: http://abc7.com/news/family-pleads-for-help-to-find-glendale-woman-missing-since-january/1766991/


Source of video: https://www.facebook.com/helpfindelainepark/?hc_ref=PAGES_TIMELINE&fref=nf

Source of video time: NG podcast

All JMO, I hope both my theories are wrong and she is found safe.
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Well said. I also thought suicide early on but then why didn't the dogs pick up her scent? Do dogs always pick up a scent? Does anyone know?

 

[Steph9676]

Did anyone notice that the help find Elaine page did not post a day 34 yesterday? They have posted everyday multiple times a day up until yesterday.

 

[msphilosopher]

Yea.. I think its interesting they don't show us her car leaving immediately.
The other thing I find interesting is those flashing lights are definitely slow and deliberate. Once they flash a few times they STAY ON. Then thats when the other lights on the right of the video almost respond to the initial flashes. Very odd.

It almost looks like its an outside light that someone put on from the inside. I wonder why it flashed three times though and why the lights to the right replied. Could someone have been in her vehicle? Or was she signaling to someone with her key faab "thanks for putting the lights on for me. I'm good"?

Also, the license reader portion looks like her car headlights were not on completely. And she seemed to very slowly pull away. Has anyone else noticed that her lights don't look like they are on completely or is it just me (could be! ha)?

BBM.

I showed the video to a friend and at the last minute I pointed to the last flash on the right. And I said "It could be her unlocking her car". And the friend responded, "No it didn't flash three times!". And I was said it did and replayed the video. This friend is an owner of a Honda Civic (Same car as Elaine).

I was trying to find something from the honda dealership to prove this is is standard in Honda vehicles. The closest thing I found is this Honda forum where people talk about having either 2 or 3 flashes after unlocking their vehicles. http://www.7thgenhonda.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-16318.html

This explains the second set of flashing lights.

I am familiar with LPR (license plate recognition) cameras. LPR cameras used on properties for entering / existing purposes cannot capture license plates of vehicles traveling at high speeds. In order for the property to capture plates, they have to setup a barrier, gate, speed bump or other mechanism in order to slow drivers down to capture the plate. This is why she was pulling away slowly. I'm assuming she slowly approached the gate waiting for it to open thus allow the LPR camera to capture the plate.

However, headlights should appear normally on LPR cameras. Not sure why the headlights seem off.

 

[GigTu]

Disclaimer that rambling, non-cohesive thoughts will follow:

I also find of interest the unknown activities which occurred within the 6:05a - 7:14a timeline. Even if it was 6:05-6:14, does it really take 9 minutes to leave the area? Maybe she pulled off and was on the phone before she drove out of the security gates.

The fact that Elaine's car doesn't have the headlamps on when leaving through the gate is a good catch. That's very interesting.

About the abandoned car... certainly someone would have spotted the car if it had been parked there from Sunday all they way through the next Thursday when it was found. Businesses and homes are in the area, and the road isn't full of cars late at night or in the wee morning hours, and probably even throughout the day, as evidenced by the Google Earth street view. I wonder where the car was from Saturday to Thursday.

Also, the fact that family and friends have provided information that Elaine was having some mental state issues (probably do to the many recent unfortunate events in a short timespan) supports her BF saying that she woke singing and was anxious. Her state of mind could have been off, and for whatever reason she was drawn to the water or some other random thing in the area. Did all of the neighbors and businesses in the area properly search their outbuildings and autos, etc. for signs of B&E even after the shoreline and canyon searches?

Back to the car... In that her car was found in the on position and battery dead has me still conjuring up new theories as well. One of the things that has been rattling around my head is the location of her car. Is it possible she hit an animal (dog, cat, deer, etc.) and got out to check on the animal, possibly even followed it? Did anyone check the front end for damage of this sort?

OR while standing outside of the car she may have gotten hit by another vehicle and they took her. Was there any blood or other fluids on the road, off the side of the road, or near the car?

So many questions, and no one to answer them.

 

[turanna25]

Disclaimer that rambling, non-cohesive thoughts will follow:

I also find of interest the unknown activities which occurred within the 6:05a - 7:14a timeline. Even if it was 6:05-6:14, does it really take 9 minutes to leave the area? Maybe she pulled off and was on the phone before she drove out of the security gates.

The fact that Elaine's car doesn't have the headlamps on when leaving through the gate is a good catch. That's very interesting.

About the abandoned car... certainly someone would have spotted the car if it had been parked there from Sunday all they way through the next Thursday when it was found. Businesses and homes are in the area, and the road isn't full of cars late at night or in the wee morning hours, and probably even throughout the day, as evidenced by the Google Earth street view. I wonder where the car was from Saturday to Thursday.

Also, the fact that family and friends have provided information that Elaine was having some mental state issues (probably do to the many recent unfortunate events in a short timespan) supports her BF saying that she woke singing and was anxious. Her state of mind could have been off, and for whatever reason she was drawn to the water or some other random thing in the area. Did all of the neighbors and businesses in the area properly search their outbuildings and autos, etc. for signs of B&E even after the shoreline and canyon searches?

Back to the car... In that her car was found in the on position and battery dead has me still conjuring up new theories as well. One of the things that has been rattling around my head is the location of her car. Is it possible she hit an animal (dog, cat, deer, etc.) and got out to check on the animal, possibly even followed it? Did anyone check the front end for damage of this sort?

OR while standing outside of the car she may have gotten hit by another vehicle and they took her. Was there any blood or other fluids on the road, off the side of the road, or near the car?

So many questions, and no one to answer them.

I find it really interesting that it took so long for her to leave the area too and that when she did leave her lights were not on. That to me is very telling.

I also agree with you that her car would have been noticed earlier if it had been in that location for that whole period of time. So, that leads me to wonder where it was prior to it being found there.

I didn't remember reading that her car was found in the on position with a dead battery. Hmmm... that sounds staged to me. Are any of the other missing women in the area missing under similar circumstances (i.e. car found with dead battery in on position)?