GUILTY CA - Ellorah Warner, 3 wks, Santa Clarita, 23 Jan 2015

[kimi_SFC]

""Allison said her daughter doted on her child.

"She got her a Playard, a bassinet and a crib," Allison said. "But she didn't use them because she always wanted to have the baby right next to her in bed."

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-0125-missing-baby-20150125-story.html

KTLA video has been added to this article at the link above. It's from last night's news & a must watch. Although you will be :furious: all over again.

MW was a two strike felon according to the VoiceOver by the reporter. IIRC, he said, "this was his third strike."

I was SO angry, I went to post but the site was down for a bit. ullhair: I know they're working on issues behind the scenes and I saw an announcement regarding backing up avatars before the 24th and Ad Site redirect issues have been ongoing. I think the missing thanks button might be related? :dunno:

But I couldn't log-in!

Anyhow, time to hit send and go cry in a corner for Baby Ellorah Rose. I believe her Mommy believed she had enough love to make things OK and brought her into the world with a dangerous guy. Sadly, no TRAGICALLY, we now know that you can't ways trust them to change. Yes, some do turn it around. But, DV/IPV doesn't usually escalate to murder overnight.

If you or God forbid you child(ren) are in danger - don't give anyone a second chance to hurt you again. Leave. Don't look back. At the first sign, Go!

The best indicator of future behavior is past behavior. Someone who has two felonies probably struggled to find work. He controlled her with that guilt, and the other typical ways they do, while charming the outside world.

Heck, the video also said they weren't married.

She knew in her heart he wouldn't change. He knew in his heart that she was controllable. That's the dance. Ellorah was in the middle.

Now here we are. AFAIK, mom is a witness.

ETA: I'm deleting this portion of my post re: Mom's name. I think I may have gotten this confused w/HER mom (NA, the maternal grandmother). :blushing: My apologies

I still believe he was being controlling on his FB page - 100% this man was Intimate Partner Violent upon her, her mom, and in the presence of Ellorah (which meets the statute for Child Abuse in the State of California). I'll ETA the link.

She needed to protect herself - and Ellorah - from MW. NO victim blaming here. I speak 100% from experience. But for the grace of God, this could have been me and my babies. :tears:

My heart goes out to her. She didn't have enough time!

:candle:


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[kimi_SFC]

Pictured cuddling his baby two days before 'killing her': Father arrested after newborn girl is found dead in a truck just hours after he told her 'distraught' mother she had been kidnapped

Matthew Warner from Newhall, California, reported his daughter missing

The 30-year-old then led police to an area near where the body was found

A search involving more than 50 personnel had been conducted overnight

Girl's grandmother called the police two hours before she disappeared

Warned posted an image holding the baby on Facebook two days earlier

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-cab-father-charged-murder.html#ixzz3PpsmrH62

From your link:

(snip)

She (NA - grandmother) said her relationship with Warner was rocky and that he once broke a window of their apartment when she and her daughter refused to let him inside.



UGH!!!!!



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[tlcya]

Hats off to Surfie TX who called it. SMDH. Just horrible. Poor mom, and to top it off, more salt in the already gaping wound. This baby was 3 weeks old. We don't know when mom went back to work, could have been a week after giving birth for all we know. She is leaving her infant every day to go take care of other people's babies at a daycare and pumping her milk for her beloved child, working her of to support this , losing her special time to bond with her little one. I cannot even imagine how she is coping with this loss. The hormones, sitting all night at the police station, breasts engorged and leaking, Jesus wept. It is simply inconceivable. This poor mother.

And going forward, this poor woman will need to go back to work, with other peoples babies? Having just lost her own in the most horrific way?

 

[kimi_SFC]

Newhall Father Arrested for Allegedly Killing His 3-Week-Old Daughter | KTLA

Image via KTLA

Also, last night's news report, embedded in the LA Times story posted upthread & 2 other embedded videos & MuchMore@Link:

http://ktla.com/2015/01/24/sheriffs-deputies-helicopters-search-for-missing-3-week-old-newhall-baby/

#RIPEllorah




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[TTF14]

Hats off to Surfie TX who called it. SMDH. Just horrible. Poor mom, and to top it off, more salt in the already gaping wound. This baby was 3 weeks old. We don't know when mom went back to work, could have been a week after giving birth for all we know. She is leaving her infant every day to go take care of other people's babies at a daycare and pumping her milk for her beloved child, working her of to support this , losing her special time to bond with her little one. I cannot even imagine how she is coping with this loss. The hormones, sitting all night at the police station, breasts engorged and leaking, Jesus wept. It is simply inconceivable. This poor mother.

And going forward, this poor woman will need to go back to work, with other peoples babies? Having just lots her own in the most horrific way?

I honestly don't think I could survive this. I would want to die .

 

[matou]

So he was acting hyper according to the grandma? Drugs? I hate to type this but I hope the baby is rape-tested.

I found a record for "Matthew Brenden Warner" arrested on Dec 19 2012 and was living in Wasco, CA at the time. I have a feeling this guy was and is very dangerous. JMO

http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/California/Unsorted-CA/Matthew-Brenden-Warner.52686581.html

 

[kimi_SFC]

So he was acting hyper according to the grandma? Drugs? I hate to type this but I hope the baby is rape-tested.

I found a record for "Matthew Brenden Warner" arrested on Dec 19 2012 and was living in Wasco, CA at the time. I have a feeling this guy was and is very dangerous. JMO

http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/California/Unsorted-CA/Matthew-Brenden-Warner.52686581.html

He was. He had two strikes according to the KTLA video I posted upthread.


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[tlcya]

Returning to the joint FB page subject in light of now anecdotal indicators that this man was an abusive person where before some astute sleuths were picking up cues without it (Surfie, Kimi, and others far more cued in than I to DV indicators):

I was taken by how very many photos were featured on that joint page were of Baby Ellorah and MW. I took it as an indicator of how in love he was with his babygirl. Now I am seeing it differently. Willing to bet that each of those photos was snapped lovingly by mom, perhaps as reassurance for herself, look how much he loves her, look how tender he is with her, he would never harm her. Reassurance for others and reassurance for herself.

I guess my thinking now, and you with more experience with IPV and DV can tell me if this is on track, is that mommy was worried, even if only subconsciously, and took comfort in taking those photos of daddy and daddy's girl as proof that all was well and nothing would go wrong.

 

[MsFacetious]

It seems odd that she wasn't taking this baby to work with her.
This is job where you CAN bring your own child.
If this wasn't allowed for some reason at her job I hope that is remedied.
It wouldn't have been so bad if she'd gone back to work and been able to take E with her. :twocents:

 

[kimi_SFC]

Returning to the joint FB page subject in light of now anecdotal indicators that this man was an abusive person where before some astute sleuths were picking up cues without it (Surfie, Kimi, and others far more cued in than I to DV indicators):

I was taken by how very many photos were featured on that joint page were of Baby Ellorah and MW. I took it as an indicator of how in love he was with his babygirl. Now I am seeing it differently. Willing to bet that each of those photos was snapped lovingly by mom, perhaps as reassurance for herself, look how much he loves her, look how tender he is with her, he would never harm her. Reassurance for others and reassurance for herself.

I guess my thinking now, and you with more experience with IPV and DV can tell me if this is on track, is that mommy was worried, even if only subconsciously, and took comfort in taking those photos of daddy and daddy's girl as proof that all was well and nothing would go wrong.

Sadly, yes tlcya. This is part of the cycle of violence. Escalation of violence, until it occurs. Then the honeymoon phase when things seem perfect. Then it repeats. You live for the honeymoon phase - hoping it will last forever. It never does. Instead the escalation worsens.

Unfortunately, in this case, it appears with deadly consequences. We don't know for sure, but I have my very real suspicions.


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[melissasmom]

It seems odd that she wasn't taking this baby to work with her.
This is job where you CAN bring your own child.
If this wasn't allowed for some reason at her job I hope that is remedied.
It wouldn't have been so bad if she'd gone back to work and been able to take E with her. :twocents:

I am not sure that mom works at an actual "daycare". I noticed a comment on the dad's FB from mom, where she mentioned "the house where I babysit". Sounds like it might be more of a babysitter or nanny type situation, not a daycare business. JMO

 

[TTF14]

I am not sure that mom works at an actual "daycare". I noticed a comment on the dad's FB from mom, where she mentioned "the house where I babysit". Sounds like it might be more of a babysitter or nanny type situation, not a daycare business. JMO

Which, I'd think, would make it even easier for her to take her baby. Maybe she didn't want to expose the baby to germs just yet. Maybe one of the children she babysits for has been ill.

 

[tlcya]

It seems odd that she wasn't taking this baby to work with her.
This is job where you CAN bring your own child.
If this wasn't allowed for some reason at her job I hope that is remedied.
It wouldn't have been so bad if she'd gone back to work and been able to take E with her. :twocents:

I can't speak to the daycare place this mom worked. but I can say that I know several working moms in my area who either cannot take their child to work without being charged the same fee as other parents, and/or if they did receive a discount they would not be allowed to care for their own child, the child would be placed in another section under another worker's supervision. Daycare centers in my area actively discourage mother/employees from bringing their own children. I do not know if the worry is the distraction possibility/favoritism or the suggestion of favoritism or what. I only know it is done but not the whys.

 

[SurfieTX]

Which, I'd think, would make it even easier for her to take her baby. Maybe she didn't want to expose the baby to germs just yet. Maybe one of the children she babysits for has been ill.

Or, sadly, maybe she thought that baby E would be best served by being with a full-time, all-attentive parent rather than a distracted one caring for multiple children. Gah, this case breaks my heart.

 

[melissasmom]

Which, I'd think, would make it even easier for her to take her baby. Maybe she didn't want to expose the baby to germs just yet. Maybe one of the children she babysits for has been ill.

Yeah, that thought entered my mind also. And another thought: if there is a history of DV, maybe dad wouldn't "let" her take the baby with her, even if it was a possibility. I can see that happening.

 

[katydid23]

If I hired a nanny, and I had 4 and 5 yr old's, I would probably be OK with her bringing her newborn along. But if I had twin 18 month boys or something like that, I'd be concerned that my kids would not be watched closely enough. JMO

 

[tlcya]

If she was a nanny, I can see the parents not wanting her to bring her own child figuring they are paying her to focus on their children. I have a friend who is returning from Cali this weekend. She has lived there for several years attending culinary school and acting as a part time nanny for several families. I wish she was not currently on the road back so I could ask her if nannies are in general encouraged or discouraged or outright not allowed to bring their own children. Plus, without a vehicle, mom may have been using public transport or walking to her babysitting gig. How hard to drag an infant and all the gear along in that circumstance? I get the feeling loving daddy was probably not in a big rush to go accompany her each day home and back carting bag and playset if it involved work.

 

[tlcya]

last possible explanation for mom not taking E with her to work and then I will stop beating this horse.

In light of possible DV IPV situation, maybe MW did not want to allow mom, baby and baby gear to all leave the house together to a place he was not allowed to follow and monitor. IF DV and IPV were a factor here, she may not have been "allowed" to remove the baby and herself from home without him. Baby E would basically be his hostage on those days she worked to support his behind.

 

[SurfieTX]

The situation was a win-win for him. He had a guaranteed place to stay despite the troubles with her mother, didn't have to work (or so he thought - taking care of a newborn is not easy) and it secured a different form of power for him over her. He's 'effing disgusting. uke:

 

[kaen]

It seems odd that she wasn't taking this baby to work with her.
This is job where you CAN bring your own child.
If this wasn't allowed for some reason at her job I hope that is remedied.
It wouldn't have been so bad if she'd gone back to work and been able to take E with her. :twocents:

Many daycares (if she worked in a daycare) have minimum ages. Our child's daycare began at six weeks. That said, we were discouraged to sign up before six months based on illnesses and our child's lack of immunizations. Just my experience.