GUILTY CA - Ellorah Warner, 3 wks, Santa Clarita, 23 Jan 2015

[nikb]

Death Penalty in California means practically nothing anyway, so as long as they can find a way to put him in prison and make sure he stays there FOREVER I think that's the best we can expect. I've read numerous times that the 'accommodations' on death row are better than those for other prisoners, so as much as I would love to see this gone and off the planet, since DP isn't an option or is extremely unlikely to actually happen I'd rather see him in the crappiest possible living conditions.

 

[TTF14]

I worked in the prison/detentions/corrections field for many years....I have seen so many horrible cases and heard the unimaginable....But...I am sickened and speechless... this man does not deserve to breath our air....(I am truly happy I never had one like him) I don't think I could have been firm, FAIR, and consistent. I not only pray for the babies mom, the grandma, but I pray for the guards who have to medicate and feed this giant piece of poop....No death penalty...hope he rots

Please tell us this will be taken care of in prison.

I'm not at all surprised by this, sadly. From the account of the grandmother and what she heard from the bedroom, I fully expected this was going to be what we found out . Doesn't make it any less sick!!!

 

[NSS]

I am still struggling with how many red flags were missed here.

G'ma calls police on dad acting strangely.
Notices no milk gone, hears stern talk and muffled cries.
Police arrive and are either not told or don't act on g'mas complaint above. (man with drug abuse and prison history).
At some point dad returns home (without baby), disconnects the phone (probably more than a little angry)
Mum returns from work and couple go to talk.
G'ma does not leave and report his return without baby or violent outburst with the phone.
Mum and dad leave to go report the baby missing.
G'ma sits and waits.

I am holding my breath here, not only do we discover that the baby did not die accidentally, but was failed by those who should protect her. Mum, G'ma and LE failed her after the biggest sperm donor did. I pray we do not hear that there were other adults involved with drugs in that home. They have paid a heavy price for choosing to allow that abusive man in their home, but not as high a price as the baby paid. Sorry to sound so judgmental. I am beyond angry.

 

[Kaydence]

I'm shocked. Rarely does anything actually shock me. So far all the cases I've followed have been terrible or course, but this this case is the absolute worst of what a human is capable of.

 

[True North]

This is so sad. So disgusting. When this story broke, even when we found out he was a druggie, I was so hoping he just rolled over on her in his sleep and that was the muffled cry. This is the absolute worst possible outcome.

 

[kaen]

I am still struggling with how many red flags were missed here.

G'ma calls police on dad acting strangely.
Notices no milk gone, hears stern talk and muffled cries.
Police arrive and are either not told or don't act on g'mas complaint above. (man with drug abuse and prison history).
At some point dad returns home (without baby), disconnects the phone (probably more than a little angry)
Mum returns from work and couple go to talk.
G'ma does not leave and report his return without baby or violent outburst with the phone.
Mum and dad leave to go report the baby missing.
G'ma sits and waits.

I imagine she was probably killed in the morning when the grandmother heard the weak cries and stern tone. That thinking is the only thing that gives me comfort---she was killed quickly, was not feeling hunger, and not able to be saved by the people who could have saved her.

I am not pro death penalty for religious reasons and this is testing my fortitude. I will be comforted if he spends every single day of the rest of his life behind bars.

Not sure how you recover from this as this babe's mother. I would never trust my instincts or judgment again if it were me. How can you miss his violent streak and boundary issues when high/drunk? Just trying to wrap my head around all of this.

 

[branwynbreeze]

I am still struggling with how many red flags were missed here.

G'ma calls police on dad acting strangely.
Notices no milk gone, hears stern talk and muffled cries.
Police arrive and are either not told or don't act on g'mas complaint above. (man with drug abuse and prison history).
At some point dad returns home (without baby), disconnects the phone (probably more than a little angry)
Mum returns from work and couple go to talk.
G'ma does not leave and report his return without baby or violent outburst with the phone.
Mum and dad leave to go report the baby missing.
G'ma sits and waits.

I am holding my breath here, not only do we discover that the baby did not die accidentally, but was failed by those who should protect her. Mum, G'ma and LE failed her after the biggest sperm donor did. I pray we do not hear that there were other adults involved with drugs in that home. They have paid a heavy price for choosing to allow that abusive man in their home, but not as high a price as the baby paid. Sorry to sound so judgmental. I am beyond angry.

I get your point and you have every right to it, but as they say, hindsight is 20/20. I cannot condemn actions of g'mother since I don't know how she interacted with him on daily basis. If she felt need to call LE, I'm wondering if she feared him. Mama was working, which to me says a lot about family dynamic 19 days after giving birth.

I did not see that one charge coming. It nauseated me, I cannot even type or accept it at moment. Death is too easy for this , I'd like to see one wall covered in a picture of his daughter to remind him every waking moment why he's incarcerated. Some may say that cruel and inhumane, what he is accused of doing to that baby is beyond what I want to believe people are capable of while knowing it does happen.

I will pray there is that special place in H*ll we've heard about for monsters like him.

 

[Portabella]

I can not find comfort in anything about this case. He tortured that baby....not for nothing, but to be honest, if he was my boyfriend or husband, I would want him to make bail. IMHO

 

[matou]

I can not find comfort in anything about this case. He tortured that baby....not for nothing, but to be honest, if he was my boyfriend or husband, I would want him to make bail. IMHO

To face him about it?

 

[Tssiemer]

I can not find comfort in anything about this case. He tortured that baby....not for nothing, but to be honest, if he was my boyfriend or husband, I would want him to make bail. IMHO

To cut off his junk??


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[NWLady]

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015...th-murder-sexual-assault-of-newborn-daughter/


sexual assault as well

"Matthew Brendan Warner, 30, faces one count each of murder, assault on a child causing death, torture, oral copulation or sexual penetration with a child 10 years or younger and aggravated sexual assault of a child, the Los Angeles District Attorney’s Office said."

This is so so sad. I can't stop the tears. Why? Why? Why?

 

[katydid23]

My husband got angry with me when I updated him on the ugly turn of events in this case. He was visibly upset and said STOP-- and did not want to hear anymore. Then he ranted a bit about ' why do I even read these stupid cases anyway...' and left in a huff. I feel badly because I know how much this case hurt my soul and I am way more jaded and cynical than my husband is.

He had just spent the morning helping our son paint the nursery, for our first grand baby, a girl, due this spring. So this horrible ugly revelation was too much for him after painting a rocking chair white to match the little dresser and table. I should have thought before I shared this horrible information. But we had been talking about this 'missing baby' case because it is in the neighboring county. I so wish that a childless couple had stolen her. :sigh: [ That is what my husband thought had happened. I pointed out the weirdness of them going to the station to report, but he thought that was fine...]

 

[~Lyric~]

My husband got angry with me when I updated him on the ugly turn of events in this case. He was visibly upset and said STOP-- and did not want to hear anymore. Then he ranted a bit about ' why do I even read these stupid cases anyway...' and left in a huff. I feel badly because I know how much this case hurt my soul and I am way more jaded and cynical than my husband is.

He had just spent the morning helping our son paint the nursery, for our first grand baby, a girl, due this spring. So this horrible ugly revelation was too much for him after painting a rocking chair white to match the little dresser and table. I should have thought before I shared this horrible information. But we had been talking about this 'missing baby' case because it is in the neighboring county. I so wish that a childless couple had stolen her. :sigh: [ That is what my husband thought had happened. I pointed out the weirdness of them going to the station to report, but he thought that was fine...]

Katy, My husband doesn't like for me to talk about any of the cases I read here, or anywhere else.
This is one of the most heartbreaking cases I have seen yet.
I agree, I wish someone had stolen her that would have loved her.

My God, I just can't comprehend this at all.

 

[TTF14]

My husband got angry with me when I updated him on the ugly turn of events in this case. He was visibly upset and said STOP-- and did not want to hear anymore. Then he ranted a bit about ' why do I even read these stupid cases anyway...' and left in a huff. I feel badly because I know how much this case hurt my soul and I am way more jaded and cynical than my husband is.

He had just spent the morning helping our son paint the nursery, for our first grand baby, a girl, due this spring. So this horrible ugly revelation was too much for him after painting a rocking chair white to match the little dresser and table. I should have thought before I shared this horrible information. But we had been talking about this 'missing baby' case because it is in the neighboring county. I so wish that a childless couple had stolen her. :sigh: [ That is what my husband thought had happened. I pointed out the weirdness of them going to the station to report, but he thought that was fine...]

I think this is a normal reaction for a normal, loving man. Some of us just feel the inexplicable need to VALIDATE the lives of these babies whose lives were cut way too short to have very much on their obituaries, so we honor them this way. Men may not understand that.

 

[Tssiemer]

My husband doesn't even know I post here. He gets mad when I watch Criminal Minds and says it perpetuates my depression and anxiety.


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[kimi_SFC]

I think this is a normal reaction for a normal, loving man. Some of us just feel the inexplicable need to VALIDATE the lives of these babies whose lives were cut way too short to have very much on their obituaries, so we honor them this way. Men may not understand that.

Those who are not WSers may not understand, regardless of gender :moo:

Our partners, family members, friends and loved ones who don't share our passion for the victims of crime, the missing, the voiceless who populate the literally countless threads here, may find it hard to comprehend what draws us to these cases - what drives us to continue on when we encounter one heartbreak after another.

I am often unable to explain it myself.

I've said before that these past few months have been unusually brutal - at least it seems that way. I've been here for a few years, after lurking for a while, becoming official after a The HinkyMeter went offline. Websleuths became my new home.

I don't know why, but the cases seem to be getting ..... worse. I'm sure there's a better word for it, but I'm at a loss right now. As a victim of more than one instance of crime myself, a student of forensic psychology, a healthcare professional, a mandated reporter, a mother, and just a human being, I feel a sense of overwhelming duty to lend my voice to these cases. Each WSer's perspective is SO important, offering a thread that weaves a quilt of care, understanding, and knowledge. We join forces in an effort to bring truth and justice for all victims and to bring the missing home.

It's a calling that does not touch everyone. However, I am thankful for the fellowship of my cohort of WSers, especially when trying to process the insanity of a case like this one. I am leaning on you all, while weeping on your shoulders through the interwebs.

:grouphug:

#JusticeForEllorah







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[kimi_SFC]

Did he make a deal already? He led police to her body. He would have known all would be discovered about the sexual abuse. Oral copulation? WTF????

The ADA stated he wasn't eligible for the Death Penalty, which I find impossible to believe. Your post makes infinitely more sense.

Can they do this, but keep it under wraps?

Speculation on my part:

I'm picturing a NG / NGRI plea, endless delays, followed by a trial with TW & grandmom cooperating and testifying against him (with them making deals).

I can't imagine this :censored: doing anything but delaying the inevitable. He's a three striker. The inmates at the DOC (California State Penitentiary level - of which he's already familiar) will be awaiting his arrival.

:thinking:


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[nikb]

I don't think a case has made me this physically ill before. I knew as soon as I saw the original charge it wasn't likely to be considered an accident, but I had no idea how much worse it could get. I dragged myself to the grocery store a bit ago thinking it would be good to step away from the keyboard for a few minutes, and get some fresh air. Then I saw a young baby in a cart at the store (probably a few months old, not brand new, but still...little) and I lost it. I ended up leaving the store to go back to my car, cry, and try not to get sick again. She was just so beautiful and tiny and innocent and I just could not fathom how ANYONE could intentionally hurt her. I was thinking this related to the baby I saw in the store but the exact same thing applies to Ellorah. I see that picture of her gazing at the night light toy looking thing, and just want to scream.

Please, please tell me he hasn't done this to her before in her short innocent life. I think that's about the only thing that could make this even worse.

 

[Curious Guy]

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015...th-murder-sexual-assault-of-newborn-daughter/


sexual assault as well

"Matthew Brendan Warner, 30, faces one count each of murder, assault on a child causing death, torture, oral copulation or sexual penetration with a child 10 years or younger and aggravated sexual assault of a child, the Los Angeles District Attorney’s Office said."

Sexual assault? What in the Holy Hell? This sick F%&* has no soul.

 

[kimi_SFC]

I don't think a case has made me this physically ill before. I knew as soon as I saw the original charge it wasn't likely to be considered an accident, but I had no idea how much worse it could get. I dragged myself to the grocery store a bit ago thinking it would be good to step away from the keyboard for a few minutes, and get some fresh air. Then I saw a young baby in a cart at the store (probably a few months old, not brand new, but still...little) and I lost it. I ended up leaving the store to go back to my car, cry, and try not to get sick again. She was just so beautiful and tiny and innocent and I just could not fathom how ANYONE could intentionally hurt her. I was thinking this related to the baby I saw in the store but the exact same thing applies to Ellorah. I see that picture of her gazing at the night light toy looking thing, and just want to scream.

Please, please tell me he hasn't done this to her before in her short innocent life. I think that's about the only thing that could make this even worse.

I could not agree more. I was awaiting Mod approval to share that image on the thread, having found it before MSM released it.

Seeing her, eyes wide open and alert, looking up into the light of the toy giraffe, a sparkle in her eye, she looked just like an angel on earth.

As soon as I saw KTLA had released it, I rushed to share it here with you all. We didn't have a photo of her on the thread and there couldn't be a more perfect image of her than this.

I keep trying to remember her this way - tiny and perfect.

:tears:

But at this moment, my mind can't escape the crimes against her - what torture was committed before her soul left this real and she actually crossed over into the light. It breaks me that she's a true Forever Angel after just 19 days! Then it starts all over again, the anger, the tears, the physical reactions to what was done, it's this continuous feed of fury, disgust and pain. I can only imagine what her own mom & grandmother are going through right now - as her vigil starts in less than an hour!

What's left of my faith allows me to believe she's in Heaven - surrounded by all of the others who have gone before her. I believe she is safe now, protected in God's loving arms.

I will never, EVER understand why such heinous brutality can ever befall such innocence.

Something is wrong with this world. I feel like the earth is off of its axis. I never knew Baby Ellorah, but her life and her loss has changed me. I will never be the same again.


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