GUILTY CA - Ellorah Warner, 3 wks, Santa Clarita, 23 Jan 2015

[Ontario Mom]

OMG no. NO!

I knew from the murder charge she didn't die by accident, but this? How the hell does one sexually assault a 19 day old baby? That is so far beyond disgusting I can't even fathom it.

Meth, meth and 1 million times again METH. It turns perfectly normal, responsible people into the most repulsive, wicked, sexually-deviant, horrible nutbags. NOTHING is off limits. And by nothing, I mean NOTHING. Including their own 19 day old precious babies.

 

[tlcya]

During a news conference at the corner of Sierra Highway and Newhall Avenue, Francisco said shortly before noon that the child's mother was still being questioned but that she was distraught.

http://www.signalscv.com/section/36/article/132145/

:bump: Kinda makes you wonder why that video of the presser was pulled as Kimi noted a while back. Things you make you go hmmmm.

 

[kaen]

Interesting since Lt Francisco is on camera confirming a call to police placed by the grandmother several hours before the couple showed up to report Ellorah missing at the station. She was very non specific as to the call's content and referred to it as "unrelated" to the murder of this baby.

Is the Sheriff's department circling the wagons? Are they concerned about a civil suit? Or protecting the integrity of their case against Warner? Time will tell.

I wonder if she did not call 911 but rather the office number and a car came out. I don't believe non-emergency calls are recorded in my area.

 

[Ontario Mom]

If anything brings back the Death Penalty to California, THIS CASE should be it. I will give that the injection myself. :furious:

I think a lot of us would have to stand in line to volunteer for this. I know people are divided on the DP but as a Christian, I stand firmly on the side of firm and swift justice for those that willfully and purposefully brutalize the innocent.

 

[tlcya]

Perhaps. I am still wrapping my head around the turn this case has taken. Maybe it has made me overly cynical. Back to lurk mode. Thanks to all who are voicing my discombobulated thoughts right now. I am so thankful for everyone.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Does meth really cause people to do such things? Or would the 'idea' have already been there in his sick mind?

YES and YES AND NO. Yes, meth does tap into that sexual part of the brain (somehow, I'm not a scientist so I can't explain the how). Yes and/or no, the "idea" doesn't have to be there already. I want to be very careful here how I word this because it's as wicked and evil as it gets.

If a person (male or female) had never *ever* previously considered this type of activity, and was either on meth or "coming down" (aka tweaking, that period after the high has worn off but the affects haven't gone away yet - you're sort of aware but so messed up you're not in the right head-space) from using meth, and physically aroused, it wouldn't matter who or *what* was present. Meth simply warps the thinking of anyone on it. In some cases, I suspect the moral/religious inward thinking/conviction might restrict a person from acting on this physical arousal. Even horrify them (it happens) into never touching meth again.

In other cases, there is literally no moral fabric holding them back. I will leave it at that.

 

[newone]

The ADA stated he wasn't eligible for the Death Penalty, which I find impossible to believe. Your post makes infinitely more sense.

Can they do this, but keep it under wraps?

Speculation on my part:

I'm picturing a NG / NGRI plea, endless delays, followed by a trial with TW & grandmom cooperating and testifying against him (with them making deals).

I can't imagine this :censored: doing anything but delaying the inevitable. He's a three striker. The inmates at the DOC (California State Penitentiary level - of which he's already familiar) will be awaiting his arrival.

:thinking:


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shades of Bullhead City and Canella-Grogan or what!!

 

[Ontario Mom]

As for the grandma hearing "weak cries" and the mom leaving baby girl with her dad...

NO ONE ever thinks for a second, a blood relation is capable of being a monster, unless of course there is reason to believe he's already one. In this case, I don't think (from all I've read) there was any reason for either Ellorah's mama or grandma to suspect her own daddy would hurt her. It's a massive leap for most people to even consider for a second, that someone they know, trust, eat dinner with, laugh with, etc., could be this kind of person or do this kind of thing.

My heart goes out to them, and their extended family. I can't even imagine how they're feeling right now. I only hope they're surrounded by love and caring people who are comforting them.

 

[newone]

Please tell us this will be taken care of in prison.

I'm not at all surprised by this, sadly. From the account of the grandmother and what she heard from the bedroom, I fully expected this was going to be what we found out . Doesn't make it any less sick!!!

I hope someone does him a ''favor'' ((welcome wagon kind of thing)) in prison....a nice welcome to the block party and offers him some magic cocktail prison drug that doesn't agree with him and he o/d's ......jmo

 

[perfectingpink]

YES and YES AND NO. Yes, meth does tap into that sexual part of the brain (somehow, I'm not a scientist so I can't explain the how). Yes and/or no, the "idea" doesn't have to be there already. I want to be very careful here how I word this because it's as wicked and evil as it gets.

If a person (male or female) had never *ever* previously considered this type of activity, and was either on meth or "coming down" from using meth, and physically aroused, it wouldn't matter who or *what* was present. Meth simply warps the thinking of anyone on it. In some cases, I suspect the moral/religious inward thinking/conviction might restrict a person from acting on this physical arousal. Even horrify them (it happens) into never touching meth again.

In other cases, there is literally no moral fabric holding them back. I will leave it at that.

I was contemplating this very thing with my daughter and her boyfriend this evening. I think your explanation is about as good as it can get.

 

[Kaydence]

I hope someone does him a ''favor'' ((welcome wagon kind of thing)) in prison....a nice welcome to the block party and offers him some magic cocktail prison drug that doesn't agree with him and he o/d's ......jmo

I usually don't put much faith in jailhouse justice, but in this case, I absolutely think the other inmates will have a time with him. He will probably be placed into the shu right away (isolation).

 

[Ontario Mom]

I was contemplating this very thing with my daughter and her boyfriend this evening. I think your explanation is about as good as it can get.

My knowledge of this drug is not from a professional capacity but a user-capacity. In that, in my early 20's (30 years ago) I had several meth/crank/crystal friends who used/sold regularly. While on it, they ***loved*** to talk about their experiences. It actually horrified and fascinated me at the same time. Without exception, they all spoke about the sexual aspect. It, somehow, enabled them to do things, try things, they would have NEVER in a million years, considered. Some said later they regretted it, others just went further.

I really don't like to think about those conversations but when I read about cases like THIS one, it brings them all back. So yeah, meth does turn seemingly normal people into those monsters we read about in the headlines. Or, here.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I usually don't put much faith in jailhouse justice, but in this case, I absolutely think the other inmates will have a time with him. He will probably be placed into the shu right away (isolation).

Back in the day (whenever that was) there was a thing called Short Eyes. That was what inmates were called, who had victimized children. If you were known as a Short Eyes in jail, you were fair game for the other inmates to victimize because in terms of Jailhouse Justice, these were inmates with kids who saw a Short Eyes as the worst of the worst on the Food Chain of criminals.

That was then, this is now. I don't know how different it might be in jails, but I know our society is A LOT different on the outside. There's a ton of apologetic/sympathic crap going on for pedophiles. There are a lot more pedophiles in jail and getting busted for what they're doing (mostly online). So I don't really know if the dynamic inside of jailhouses is different than it used to be, but I suspect it probably is. Now, instead of one Short Eyes for every 100 inmates, there are probably 5... 10 or even 20? (no, I don't have any documented stats for this, I'm just guessing based on the number of cases I read about each week and the EASE of which KP is available now via the internet).

Frankly, I'm still ALL IN for the old fashioned Firing Squad in the yard at the back of the jail house. You rape a baby? You die at sundown. Case closed. Justice is served the best it can be.

MOO.

 

[Hippiemomof5]

I wonder if she did not call 911 but rather the office number and a car came out. I don't believe non-emergency calls are recorded in my area.

I was wondering the same thing. I know my mom tells me again and again to call our local cops instead of 911 because he will get here much faster, especially because we don't have a land line that's connected with an address. They even give the local residents the cell phone that's kept in the manned police vehicle 24/7 for non emergencies but when you want a cop to come out. Obviously, this isn't ideal in all situations and we teach our kids to dial 911 in emergencies. It's very possible they the mother called the local police station though.

 

[perfectingpink]

My knowledge of this drug is not from a professional capacity but a user-capacity. In that, in my early 20's (30 years ago) I had several meth/crank/crystal friends who used/sold regularly. While on it, they ***loved*** to talk about their experiences. It actually horrified and fascinated me at the same time. Without exception, they all spoke about the sexual aspect. It, somehow, enabled them to do things, try things, they would have NEVER in a million years, considered. Some said later they regretted it, others just went further.

I really don't like to think about those conversations but when I read about cases like THIS one, it brings them all back. So yeah, meth does turn seemingly normal people into those monsters we read about in the headlines. Or, here.

I imagine the memory of those conversations are not pleasant. I am thankful you chose a different path and have used the knowledge from them to drive you to be such a prolific advocate and poster on WS.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I imagine the memory of those conversations are not pleasant. I am thankful you chose a different path and have used the knowledge from them to drive you to be such a prolific advocate and poster on WS.

No it's not pleasant but it honestly still blows me away that 30 years later people are still unaware of what meth/crank/crystal/ice/whatever stupid slang name it has now, actually does to people. I've read some of those "professional" links to the lists of meth side effects and I can tell immediately which ones are the ones who have NO CLUE what it's really like, and which ones are to links of legit meth effects. Sadly, most of them are just copy/paste junk that doesn't really help anyone.

THAT SAID, I have no sympathy for anyone who CHOOSES to use, and CHOOSES to act on their impulse(s). It's always a choice.

 

[Lulu14]

I think the detail that bothers me the most is the "stern voice". That is what magazines tell parents they should use when a child is misbehaving or throwing a tantrum.

 

[newone]

I think the detail that bothers me the most is the "stern voice". That is what magazines tell parents they should use when a child is misbehaving or throwing a tantrum.

I have a hard time with thinking when one would even use a stern voice with a 19 day old baby........

 

[nikb]

I would agree with Meth turning people into monsters sometimes, but... sad to say... IMO there are so many meth addicts out there now, we'd be seeing a lot more sickening cases like this if it was solely the meth. I think it's a contributing factor, but not the only one. JMO but I think someone has to be seriously messed up, meth or not, to think about sex with a newborn baby. Though I'd fully agree the meth may be behind them acting on it.

argh. Sick to my stomach yet again.

I'm so sorry Ellorah. You didn't deserve any of this. I hope her vigil tonight was beautiful and brought whatever comfort it could to her family.

 

[perfectingpink]

No it's not pleasant but it honestly still blows me away that 30 years later people are still unaware of what meth/crank/crystal/ice/whatever stupid slang name it has now, actually does to people. I've read some of those "professional" links to the lists of meth side effects and I can tell immediately which ones are the ones who have NO CLUE what it's really like, and which ones are to links of legit meth effects. Sadly, most of them are just copy/paste junk that doesn't really help anyone.

THAT SAID, I have no sympathy for anyone who CHOOSES to use, and CHOOSES to act on their impulse(s). It's always a choice.

I am an RN and I agree 100% with you that much of the medical community can only "copy/paste" information and answers to the effects of drugs like meth;maybe any drug addiction for that matter. I am not sure if it is too messy for them or what but many medical professionals do not want to deal with it and I find it shameful.

I agree that people choose to ingest their drug of choice and that decision leads to it being their choice concerning what they do while under the influence. I empathize with people who have had horrific things happen to them however my empathy stops when these people decide drugs are their way to cope. Once upon a time a person could become an innocent victim of their surroundings and self medication but the schools and government have done too many PSA's for someone to be able to claim they did not realize the effects of drugs. Once upon a time I would be appalled if someone advocated stories like Baby Ellorah Rose's be told to our children, but after Ellorah, Bella, Owen and many others, I do not see how we cannot.