CA - Emma Barker, 18 mos, suffocated, Lancaster, 18 March 2009 #1

[keeponsearching]

I've been thinking about this little baby. I have a 19 month old and I could never throw her out. IF it was an accident she should of called 911..... Maybe she did leave the baby in the car. Probably one of my biggest annoyances is when people leave babys in cars. When im at preschool droping my son off, my daughter comes in with me... Yeah we live in a quiet neighborohood, and I could lock the doors. But no thanks you. Anyways my point is maybe she forgot the child was in the car, and came back and panicked.....

 

[jeepgirlva]

I LOVE Snopes, it is awesome!

It's great to hear from someone close, thank's for the link.

It makes me think that she dumped Emma there to make it look like it was gang related.

Do you know what Stacey's mom or dad do for a living? Could it be a reason why this is being treated so low key?

I was wondering the same thing did she set this up to look gang related. I wonder if she cooperated with LE and cut a deal?

 

[Chicogirl36]

You all are making good points all around! The temps were rather warm (it was raining lately, but still upper 70s day after) last week, and that could be an explanation and a reason why there is no COD released from the coroners office yet.

Also, I cant stress how HOW gang-infested the area she left Emma in. Im not too much older than Stacey, and have been there and done that all over this valley (shh..lol), and this is THE AREA you stay away from. These are some of the hardest-core gangsters that make up the 13/trese/Crips gangs in LA.

They did have a blip on Emma this morning, but just to say that there is no news yet. I do not know where her parents worked, but one of the blogs on these links talks about co-workers and friends who know her. I will not quote them, as I do not if they are true or not, but you can look for yourselves

 

[STEADFAST]

You all are making good points all around! The temps were rather warm (it was raining lately, but still upper 70s day after) last week, and that could be an explanation and a reason why there is no COD released from the coroners office yet.

Also, I cant stress how HOW gang-infested the area she left Emma in. Im not too much older than Stacey, and have been there and done that all over this valley (shh..lol), and this is THE AREA you stay away from. These are some of the hardest-core gangsters that make up the 13/trese/Crips gangs in LA.

They did have a blip on Emma this morning, but just to say that there is no news yet. I do not know where her parents worked, but one of the blogs on these links talks about co-workers and friends who know her. I will not quote them, as I do not if they are true or not, but you can look for yourselves

Since she knew where the baby was, (Did she know exactly where her baby's body was, I wonder??) she must have gone into that area herself. Do you think it's possible she was not alone? Or is it possible that she got someone else to do it who was "in his/her comfort zone" at the drop site? Seems like if someone was comfortable stopping and getting out and leaving a body at a particular place where only certain gang members would feel safe, then it should narrow down the list of people who could have helped her. It kind of lessens the number of witnesses who would be willing to come forward, though.

 

[Chicogirl36]

Since she knew where the baby was, (Did she know exactly where her baby's body was, I wonder??) she must have gone into that area herself. Do you think it's possible she was not alone? Or is it possible that she got someone else to do it who was "in his/her comfort zone" at the drop site? Seems like if someone was comfortable stopping and getting out and leaving a body at a particular place where only certain gang members would feel safe, then it should narrow down the list of people who could have helped her. It kind of lessens the number of witnesses who would be willing to come forward, though.

Evidently she knew exactly where she was because there are news reports of her leading them to find her body- Otherwise, Emma was found in a field of weeds about 3-4 ft high-The article says that she turned off the freeway and dumped her (which would make sense cuz this area is UGLY)

Honestly, the area is kinda out of the way and not well driven- its DANGEROUS!! All of the streets in the valley run NS/EW, so you can drive on a street for over 20 miles and pass thru about 10-15 small suburbs and towns.

http://www.ktla.com/landing_news/?T...-Lied-About-Kidna=1&blockID=243852&feedID=171

 

[gaia227]

What was the temp on the day Emma died? My first thought when I heard it was an accident was that Stacey left Emma in the car for a period of time and she died as a result.

 

[Lovejac]

Chicogirl, did you see any coverage about Emma's funeral service?

I posted the obit for her a little ways up on the thread.

I just can't believe I can't find any articles on it.

 

[Kat]

I tried my best gaia227, I hope I got it right.

Palmdale CA

20 Mar 2009 Temps : High of 79.9 F at 13:16 (1:16 PM)

I wasn't sure if it happened on the 20th day before so I checked the 19th too.

19 MAR 2009 Temps: High of 82.9 °F at 13:52 (1:52 PM)

If she did leave Emma in the car, it would depend on if she left the car the direct sun, if she had all the windows closed and not cracked for air circulation, if she was parked on asphalt, etc.

My guess is it could be within the realm of possiblity. Speaking on experience from living in a very hot climate in the spring and summers, I haven't seen it reported that a child died from being in the car on a 80 degree day. Usually that's when we get up into the 90's and above. Just a guess.

 

[Kat]

I found another site with info on the interior of a car on an 80-degree day. I dont' know how accurate this information is but I'll post it anyway.

http://www.earlychildhoodfocus.org/artman2/publish/quality/State_Does_More_Checks_To_Avert_Child_Care_Deaths.shtml

"On an 80-degree day, the inside of a car after 10 minutes reaches 99 degrees, after a half-hour reaches 114 degrees, and after an hour 125-130 degrees."

He said when children's body temperatures reach 104 degrees, they experience heat stroke, and at 107 degrees, their bodies start shutting down.
An estimated 36 children die every year in the United States from heat exposure inside a car.

So I guess it is possible, we don't know what time the death occurred. Emma was small maybe she did succumb to heat? I don't know.

 

[Chicogirl36]

I tried my best gaia227, I hope I got it right.

Palmdale CA

20 Mar 2009 Temps : High of 79.9 F at 13:16 (1:16 PM)

I wasn't sure if it happened on the 20th day before so I checked the 19th too.

19 MAR 2009 Temps: High of 82.9 °F at 13:52 (1:52 PM)

If she did leave Emma in the car, it would depend on if she left the car the direct sun, if she had all the windows closed and not cracked for air circulation, if she was parked on asphalt, etc.

My guess is it could be within the realm of possiblity. Speaking on experience from living in a very hot climate in the spring and summers, I haven't seen it reported that a child died from being in the car on a 80 degree day. Usually that's when we get up into the 90's and above. Just a guess.

You are definitly right about the temps- It had been raining, but out here in SO CA, we have rain one day and its in the 80s the next- FWIW- Cant coroners tell if a kid dies from heat exhaustion? It is a muggy heat and can feasibly happen, IMO.

 

[Chicogirl36]

Chicogirl, did you see any coverage about Emma's funeral service?

I posted the obit for her a little ways up on the thread.

I just can't believe I can't find any articles on it.

Where did you find it? We have not seen it unless we missed it :clap:

I saw that before I even read it in the paper- I have been posting KTLA sites because they are one of the bigger news stations for San Fernando Valley.

I am going to check the local paper- The Daily News. Nothing new here either??? WTF is really going on? There is NOT ONE article on the search engine for her-

http://www.dailynews.com/

 

[Bobbisangel]

If Stacey is telling LE that this was an accident is she not telling them what kind of a accident?

 

[Chicogirl36]

If Stacey is telling LE that this was an accident is she not telling them what kind of a accident?

Hello- I have read that she admitted she made the whole thing up. I have been on the phne with about 10 different family members that live in different ares of LA (I live the closest-not like it helps) and NO ONE has heard a word. Did they think it would just blow away? I understand that some cases get blown out of proportion, but in this case, EMMA deserves her story to be told and her KILLER to held accountable. This is making me sick and driving me crazy!!!

This may help Bobbisangel~ Its the only/best I can do for ya

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LANCASTER -- A mother who claimed her 18- month-old daughter was kidnapped now says she panicked and dumped the toddler's body near a local freeway after the girl died accidentally.
Stacey Barker, 23, also admitted that she took off most of her own clothes and injured herself just before she was discovered by police in a Park and Ride lot.
She said she made up the story she had previously told detectives that someone knocked her out as she was putting her daughter into her car seat.

MORE AT LINK
http://www.ktla.com/landing_news/?T...-Lied-About-Kidna=1&blockID=243852&feedID=171

 

[bogeygal]

If Stacey is telling LE that this was an accident is she not telling them what kind of a accident?

I would have thought that LE would have drilled Stacey once she told them that Emma died "in an accident".

She did lead them to where she dumped her daughter's remains...admitted to a false abduction report...injured herself to make it look as such. IMO, they must already know what "type of accident" took place to cause her to panic. News says that the cause of death is undetermined. They most likely waiting for forensic results to release the final results. But who knows if she also lied to LE about what type of accident actually happened?

She was returned home to her family. Didn't any family member, grandmother/father/brother, etc. ask Stacey what the accident was?

I really hope we get more answers soon for little Emma.
If we know what really happened, if it was an "accident", then the news stories would be of service to the public to remind and/or inform parents of the dangers of accidental deaths of children. JMO

 

[Kat]

I am under the impression that if Emma were smothered, shaken, or succumed to heat exhaustion that those would definately show up on autopsy.

Perhaps the Coroner is holding back declaring the COD until all test results are back so that if it was accidental they can make sure it wasn't staged to look accidental KWIM?

Such as, tox screens should come back clear, if not, then they have a whole 'nother crime on their hands.

I think LE hasn't taken her into custody or hasn't charged her with anything yet until they know exactly what they are dealing with...

Didn't I read where they only have so many days from arrest until they present their case to the court? Something like that?

 

[Bobbisangel]

The mother has had to tell LE something since she came clean and admitted that she lied to them. I guess she could have said the baby fell or something but it is just strange that no one is saying what she told LE. Evidentally it isn't something that shows on the outside of the body like hitting her head on something. If she was left in a hot car and died that way wouldn't that show?

When a parent lies about what happened to their child it really makes me wonder. If it was an accident why not just call 911 and tell LE what happened to your little one? And then to throw that child away like garbage on the side of a road is horrible. How can a parent do that. If this gal was such a great mother how could she leave her dead baby like that???

I think the boyfriend who doesn't want kids plays into this baby's death but time will tell.

 

[impatientredhead]

If Stacey is telling LE that this was an accident is she not telling them what kind of a accident?

She would have had to explain what happened. The police are doing their job. Arresting someone too early has a chain reaction impact on what can be admitted in court. It would guarantee that she lawyered up and stopped talking.

They have her statement. They will compare it to the autopsy results. They will interview those around her during the timeframe. If the autopsy doesn't not come back with an exact match of how she explained the death they will probably bring her in for questioning without telling her the results and let her get herself in deeper. If it was an accident and the autospy supports that she probably will not do time. Probation and the cost of the investigation would be more likely.

The fact that her version of events has not made it to the public is actually a good sign. They don't want the surrounding witnesses to know what she said to the police and have that story meld together. And if what she tells the relatives varies or slowly morphs from what she told the police, you don't want the witnesses to know that either.

 

[Lovejac]

She would have had to explain what happened. The police are doing their job. Arresting someone too early has a chain reaction impact on what can be admitted in court. It would guarantee that she lawyered up and stopped talking.

They have her statement. They will compare it to the autopsy results. They will interview those around her during the timeframe. If the autopsy doesn't not come back with an exact match of how she explained the death they will probably bring her in for questioning without telling her the results and let her get herself in deeper. If it was an accident and the autospy supports that she probably will not do time. Probation and the cost of the investigation would be more likely.

The fact that her version of events has not made it to the public is actually a good sign. They don't want the surrounding witnesses to know what she said to the police and have that story meld together. And if what she tells the relatives varies or slowly morphs from what she told the police, you don't want the witnesses to know that either.

Thank you for this post! I am beyond frustrated because I want to know what happened to ths precious baby, not that it would help me understand WHY she dumped her like trash.

I might need to print this out to read when I get frustrated again!

 

[gaia227]

I tried my best gaia227, I hope I got it right.

Palmdale CA

20 Mar 2009 Temps : High of 79.9 F at 13:16 (1:16 PM)

I wasn't sure if it happened on the 20th day before so I checked the 19th too.

19 MAR 2009 Temps: High of 82.9 °F at 13:52 (1:52 PM)

If she did leave Emma in the car, it would depend on if she left the car the direct sun, if she had all the windows closed and not cracked for air circulation, if she was parked on asphalt, etc.

My guess is it could be within the realm of possiblity. Speaking on experience from living in a very hot climate in the spring and summers, I haven't seen it reported that a child died from being in the car on a 80 degree day. Usually that's when we get up into the 90's and above. Just a guess.

Thanks Kat! I was thinking last night after I posted I could have just looked that up myself! Sorry for my lack of intiative.

I agree with you. I think given the low temps it pretty much rules out Emma dying from exposure. She would have had to have sat in direct sunlight for a long period of time. It just doesn't seem feasible.

 

[gaia227]

Does the boyfriend have an alibi for that day? I wonder what the autopsy results will show about time of death. I am wondering if the new boyfriend might have gotten frustrated with Emma and shaken her or something and Stacey is covering for him.

I really, really hope that is not the case. I am running out of ideas as to what kind of accident could have happened that leaves no external marks. If she fell and hurt herself it doesn;t make sense that Stacey would not call 911. The accident had to have involved something Stacey or comapny DID, however unintentional, that resulted in Emma's death. Why else would she instigate a cover-up?