CA CA - Emmanuel Haro, 7-months, reported kidnapped 7:30pm from Big 5 parking lot, Yucaipa Blvd, Yucaipa, 14 Aug 2025 *Arrest* #3

[bearfossils]

“Magically convinced him to take this damn plea deal?” Absurd.

If anything, that line right there speaks to his smug attitude. He really thinks that the joke of a punishment he was given was completely undeserved, and the rest of the world is merely punishing him…just because? It’s the height of unrepentant narcissism.

The abuse didn’t happen; but if it did, he didn’t do it, and if you don’t believe that, you’re wrong! Woe is he!

 

[TMich6811]

You'll remain anonymous when calling CPS so that SHOULD be encouraging.
imo

You’re supposed to remain anonymous anyway

 

[TMich6811]

I wonder if the truth of the confession is both correct and incorrect at the same time?

Like he said something to someone but it wasn’t a formal confession so they wouldn’t consider it a confession?

 

[agilbe]

Assuming you are talking about Emmanuel's step-sister (born of a different mother and adopted by a relative).

I doubt she was merely shaken (which is bad enough). The then-10-week old, when admitted to the hospital, was discovered to have fractures, healing fractures, and a brain bleed. I'd expect those kind of injuries to come from repetitive blunt force injury, whether from a fist, something held in a fist, being slammed against a hard surface, being dropped against a hard surface from a distance, or falling and hitting hard surfaces.

All of that is just to much to fathom a 10 week old having to endure.

 

[tlcya]

Despite instructions from his attorney, the father of missing 7-month-old Emmanuel Haro sat for a jailhouse interview Wednesday where he declared his wife innocent and said God was on their side, The Orange County Register reported.

The 32-year-old claims he accidentally dropped his daughter, Carolina, on a sink divider while giving her a bath, but when the 10-week-old girl’s mother, Vanessa Avina, rushed her to the hospital later that night, doctors found far more serious injuries, including a skull fracture, fractured ribs, a brain hemorrhage and evidence of other injuries that were healing.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/emmanuel-haros-father-declares-wife-innocent-says-god-is-with-us-in-jailhouse-interview/

This new trend (or at least new to me) of accused killers giving jailhouse interviews against the advice of their legal counsel is just wild to me. Particularly when these individuals are no stranger to the legal system having been defendants in previous criminal cases. SMH

the stupid of that just astonishes me

 

[bearfossils]

This new trend (or at least new to me) of accused killers giving jailhouse interviews against the advice of their legal counsel is just wild to me. Particularly when these individuals are no stranger to the legal system having been defendants in previous criminal cases. SMH

the stupid of that just astonishes me

Stupid is as stupid does.

Personally, I think it’s more arrogance than anything. Men like this think the rest of the world will be as bamboozled and transfixed by them as their partners are. In reality, they’re merely gleefully digging their own graves.

 

[Stunned]

Jake, according to The Register, said he wanted to take the case to trial but couldn’t afford it and that his 2023 guilty plea was a financial decision because the judge told him no one would believe his side of the story.

“Somehow, they magically convinced me to take this damn plea deal,” he said during the interview. “I was sick of court. The judge knows I didn’t do it. They just railroaded me. I was the fall guy.”

During the jailhouse interview, Jake also told the reporter that his wife, who is being held at the Robert Presley Detention Center in Riverside, is innocent.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/emmanuel-haros-father-declares-wife-innocent-says-god-is-with-us-in-jailhouse-interview/

Anyone got a tiny violin?

 

[Inthedetails]

I am sitting on my hands on this topic until I can figure out what is what. DA seemed to strongly refute that suggestion during the presser yesterday (hoping to rewatch today) but what apparently started as a rumor has now been reported by several approved MSM orgs.

So I think I will refrain from speculating until I feel more confident this Perkins operation actually happened and the result was an admission of guilt from Jake.

I think it's possible the Perkins thing happened and Jake told the guy he put the baby in the trash. But I also think that would be a LIE.

A lie is not a confession, ykwim? It's possible that it's all true - there was an informant in the jail, JH told a confession that was a LIE to the informant, the DA says he didn't confess.

jmo

 

[Arkay]

Personally, I think it’s more arrogance than anything. Men like this think the rest of the world will be as bamboozled and transfixed by them as their partners are. In reality, they’re merely gleefully digging their own graves.

So true. He seems to be able to sway women and judges into thinking he’s a harmless little pussycat when he’s actually a roaring lion, primed to kill his helpless prey.

IMO he’s certainly no Adonis nor a smooth talker.

It’s a mystery to me how anyone can fall for him, as a partner or as an arrestee.

JMO

 

[longlonglake]

I thought I had read somewhere here that there was a question of how well JH understood English. But now he uses words like "magically" and "railroaded". That suggests to me he has a better grasp of English than was thought.

 

[Inthedetails]

I thought I had read somewhere here that there was a question of how well JH understood English. But now he uses words like "magically" and "railroaded". That suggests to me he has a better grasp of English than was thought.

I think the question was whether or not he is bilingual, not that he doesn't know English.

jmopinion

 

[bearfossils]

So true. He seems to be able to sway women and judges into thinking he’s a harmless little pussycat when he’s actually a roaring lion, primed to kill his helpless prey.

IMO he’s certainly no Adonis nor a smooth talker.

It’s a mystery to me how anyone can fall for him, as a partner or as an arrestee.

JMO

This is merely speculation on my part, but RH is older than him by nearly a decade, and she already has multiple children in her life and, no offense, isn’t exactly looking like a supermodel.

I’m assuming that she was flattered by a younger man giving her attention— whether that’s because she’s insecure, desperate, used to abusive males, or all of the above, is yet to be seen. There are clearly underlying issues with her that would enable her to not just form a relationship with him, but breed with him, tolerate his abuse against children, and take his side above all others.

I’m sure, within the context of their relationship, he was manipulative and superficially charming. To the rest of us? He’s as far from Adonis as a man could get, and then some.

Personally, I’m waiting for this to unfold so some light can be shed on whether she’s a pathetic participant, or a partner in crime. A big part of me wonders if she was active in the abuse as well, or “just” neglectful and indifferent.

 

[wvmoonangel]

Sorry about the NY Post post but here is the same article from Newsnation.
BTW where can I find the announcement showing which ones are acceptable?

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/emmanuel-haros-dad-admits-killing-him-sources/

 

[agilbe]

ADMIN NOTE:

If members have a question as to what is or is not approved, use the Report feature to ask, and then wait for an answer.

KTLA is approved, News Nation is approved, New York Times is approved, (Admin edited Aug 28 to inform that New York Post is now approved.)

Journalists do not have to reveal their confidential sources. Sometimes it's the only way they can get the info, and at times journalists have even gone to court over media shielding issues. Brian Entin of News Nation has never steered us wrong and that is why he remains an approved source at Websleuths.

And, FWIW, just because a journalist doesn't name a confidential source does not mean they have not done their due diligence in vetting that source.

If there are questions regarding the above, use the Report feature to ask rather than derail the thread with the back and forth.

This was posted a few pages back. Hope it helps. I'm sure there are more but this was the most recent list I could find for now.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I think it's possible the Perkins thing happened and Jake told the guy he put the baby in the trash. But I also think that would be a LIE.

A lie is not a confession, ykwim? It's possible that it's all true - there was an informant in the jail, JH told a confession that was a LIE to the informant, the DA says he didn't confess.

jmo

If the Perkins thing happened and JH told the fake inmate he killed Emmanuel, that's a confession, regardless of what other details he gave that were lies (or not).

 

[tlcya]

If the Perkins thing happened and JH told the fake inmate he killed Emmanuel, that's a confession, regardless of what other details he gave that were lies (or not).

in the Delphi case admissions of guilt whether via phone calls to loved ones, to his mental health professional or to guards and fellow inmates, by Richard Allen were called confessions by the DA in that case and used against him in court.

So yeah, I am really confused by these new reports that directly contradict the DAs statements made yesterday in this case. Also, less than a week ago MSM had to backtrack on their reports that Baby E's body had been located because no such thing happened.

 

[Megnut]

How and what does the D.A. Hestrin know about the continuing abuse over time leading up to the death of baby Emmanuel?
I doubt he's just believing this so he must have evidence?


"The filing in this case reflects our belief that baby Emmanuel was abused, a victim of child abuse over time, and that eventually, because of that abuse, he succumbed to those injuries,” Riverside County District Attorney Mike Hestrin told reporters.

Baby Emmanuel Haro likely died from abuse before parents reported him missing, prosecutor says

The baby's mother and father were arrested last week and have been charged with his murder.

www.ktiv.com

Digital forensics IMO.

If the two exchanged texts and photos inadvertently documenting abuse and collusion, then it's no wonder why both are being charged.

So that's my guess -- their phones told on them.

JMO

 

[tlcya]

Digital forensics IMO.

If the two exchanged texts and photos inadvertently documenting abuse and collusion, then it's no wonder why both are being charged.

So that's my guess -- their phones told on them.

JMO

have we ever heard if the blood located in their residence was tied to Emmanuel? Depending on the amount found that could also be a factor IMO.

 

[Megnut]

Assuming you are talking about Emmanuel's step-sister (born of a different mother and adopted by a relative).

I doubt she was merely shaken (which is bad enough). The then-10-week old, when admitted to the hospital, was discovered to have fractures, healing fractures, and a brain bleed. I'd expect those kind of injuries to come from repetitive blunt force injury, whether from a fist, something held in a fist, being slammed against a hard surface, being dropped against a hard surface from a distance, or falling and hitting hard surfaces.

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What did he do to that baby???????

IMO he's an even worse monster than the horrible one everyone knows he is.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

in the Delphi case admissions of guilt whether via phone calls to loved ones, to his mental health professional or to guards and fellow inmates, by Richard Allen were called confessions by the DA in that case and used against him in court.

So yeah, I am really confused by these new reports that directly contradict the DAs statements made yesterday in this case. Also, less than a week ago MSM had to backtrack on their reports that Baby E's body had been located because no such thing happened.

IMO LE doesn't want those reports circulating because it exposes their investigative strategy/techniques.

If ever a jailbird is singing, LE needs them to keeeeeeeep singing in the hopes that one song or another will contain a useful lead, usable confession, etc.

It's possible IMO for a story to be true but told too early.

State has a case/conviction to protect.

JMO