GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #10

[nikb]

Sorry, that was a type o, I meant EC, sorry, I'll correct it.

Oh ok, thank you for the reply! I thought I missed something big somewhere along the line.

 

[shadetree44]

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[pukasonqo2]

Marg where is OZ?

the antipodes, down under


lupus est homini , non , non quom qualis sit novit

 

[rose222]

If CL's fingerprints are not found and there is no actual DNA evidence linking him specifically to the crime then it is possible that his defense team will try the Casey Anthony tactic. That is to say that they might purposefully throw Nicole under the bus (with Nicole playing along) to create reasonable doubt. 'It could have been Nicole using the car, it could have been Nicole using the gun, conducting the searches, she was jealous...'etc. It could work. Never trust a jury until they come back with a proper verdict AND they are all individually polled.

 

[shadetree44]

If CL's fingerprints are not found and there is no actual DNA evidence linking him specifically to the crime then it is possible that his defense team will try the Casey Anthony tactic. That is to say that they might purposefully throw Nicole under the bus (with Nicole playing along) to create reasonable doubt. 'It could have been Nicole using the car, it could have been Nicole using the gun, conducting the searches, she was jealous...'etc. It could work. Never trust a jury until they come back with a proper verdict AND they are all individually polled.

No kidding, scary ain't it!! And his attorney appears to be on the ball. Strange he selected this fellow just for the spud gun case?????? Maybe he was thinking ahead, ya think.

 

[shadetree44]

Just wondered why she selected that name.

 

[Marg from Oz]

the antipodes, down under


lupus est homini , non , non quom qualis sit novit

Australia..

 

[shadetree44]

Thanks Marg. I have a friend from OZ, but that OZ is Liberal,KS USA. You know, where Dorothy and Toto live along with the wizard.

 

[phantomthought]

If the man in the red car that MB saw on Saturday was JC then he would have known where her car was on Saturday and therefor would have lied to LE when he called in the missing person report on his wife the following day (Sunday) and pretended not to know where her car was. I'm as stumped as you. I really would love to hear from LE about this red car. I'm worried it might have no explanation and will be used as a tool by the defense to try and create reasonable doubt.

As much as I do not believe MB the best explanation I can come up with to support his story is that the people in the red car have nothing to do with this case.They saw the car parked in the middle of nowhere and decided to burglarize it.EC either left the door unlocked or they were able to jimmy the door because they are thieves.I seam to remember MB said the red car was in gear something a thief might do.As far as why CL would then come back with someone else and move the car 100 feet the only thing I have is after the people in the red car managed to destroy the evidence of his tire tracks and foot print leading from her car to his keeping to form (computer search,shell casings down the well,asking a friend how to get rid of a body) he manages to also come back and leave fresh tire tracks and footprints for LE to find.

 

[2Hope4]

I've seen nothing to suggest that Erin's husband is anything but another victim in this horrendous crime. I've seen nothing to suggest his actions or anything else is suspicious. We don't know what was going on within their marriage, but considering the known recent miscarriage, and the known recent affair, I would imagine there was tension, and need for healing. It takes time, love, and patience along with some tears, heartache, and lost of trust, to rebuild a marriage after an affair. It's not over, and forgotten about the minute a partner says the affair is over.

In my view, with the above in mind, I can see why someone might have multiple emotions and thoughts if their partner wasn't at home when you expected them to be, and to wait to see if they show up. Perhaps I would call a few trusted friends and see if they had seen her/him (if thinking of my own husband), figure either he was out letting off some steam, trying to get his own thoughts together, etc. I might even think he was out having an affair again, or that he had a wreck somewhere. But I might still be angry with him, and in some way be glad he was outta my sight for ME to gather my thoughts, emotions and decide where I wanted the marriage to go from there. Maybe even sleep on it, and hope my mind was clearer in the morning. I don't think we know if Erin's husband spent time looking for her before calling police to report her missing. Do we know if the guard station is manned 24/7? If they write down plates as someone comes and goes? If so, it's possible Erin's husband was asking around base to see if she had left. He might have even thought she left on purpose, but would calm down and return home knowing her Mom would be there to visit soon. Remember, she was only 19!!! So her thinking and someone much older's thinking could very well be different!!!

I have an 18yr old daughter. Her thinking is far from my own! As I've shared in other cases, and maybe in this one, I did have an affair at Erin's age! To this day, I can't tell you why! I wasn't vulnerable, hadn't had a miscarriage, wasn't in a military family, wasn't across the USA from my family, yet it happened, and I don't know what I was thinking! It did end my marriage. However, years later, I remarried him, and we've been together ever since!!! Are we the same couple as we were when I was 18? Nope! As with most people, we grow, we learn, we change as we age. I'm 42 now. It seems like all that happened was a lifetime ago. Yet I lived with that guilt for many years. Unable to explain to myself nor my husband.

I don't know how others survive or work through an affair. I only know my own life experiences. Sadly Erin and her husband didn't get the time to learn from their experience. Sadly Erin didn't get the chance to decide or be apart of the deciding on which way her own marriage would go.

Erin didn't murder anyone! She didn't even abort when she found about the pregnancy. She didn't kill Chris. She didn't kill his wife. Her choices may have been a moral choice that she would have to deal with, but she didn't get that choice! For whatever reasons for the affair, the result should not have ended in murder!

And though I never knew Erin, nor her husband, or Chris and his wife, I seriously doubt Erin's husband and Chris's wife were speaking about anything, or out looking for Erin. I've heard of the wife of the adulterer being upset, and wanting the mistress to feel the pain she's feeling, I haven't heard of her going after the mistress's husband to make a statement. Now she might have some of her female friends flirt, or attempt to lure him into an affair, and I'm sure there are situations where someone might talk to, or try to understand the affair by talking to the other spouse, I just don't know if that happened here.

We also don't know what if any part Chris' wife was in this case. She may have suspected something, but we don't know what she actually knew if anything. I guess we'll learn more as the trial goes underway. If it's a situation such as with Heather Elvis, where both the husband and wife were part of her murder, then we'll find out. There's been things suggested by the own of the horse ranch that Chris' wife knew, or was a part of it, but we don't know to what degree yet. And no doubt her emotions are raw, and much as I was describing earlier about Erin's husband. Her statements would have been out of anger that not only is she dealing with her husband having an affair that is now national news, she's also dealing with the mistress missing, and had to realize the first suspects would be Erin's husband, Chris, and possibly herself. So from that mindset, him being 'stupid', 'not keeping his lies straight', etc., could have been speaking of the affair aspect. No telling what lies was told about that. Obviously she thought the affair was over, but it might not have been. And again, maybe it was, then Erin realized or thought she was pregnant, and felt Chris should know. We don't know if their affair had continued once exposed or not.

If we find out that Chris' wife was just as involved in murdering Erin as Chris, then all bets are off, and she should be held accountable!

 

[2Hope4]

As for the red car, could have been someone saw it parked there, decided to see if anything in it steal, or to see if anyone had left a note that the car was broke down, or whatever. Could have been innocent reason someone was there that has nothing to do with the actual crime. Since it doesn't seem the police are looking for someone driving a red car, they might already know who it was, and why they were there.

 

[maskedwoman]

Circling back to why the car was moved. Just maybe...Let's say Nichole sees Erin's car parked off road. Her husband has left for the day too. hmmm. She calls Jon to tell him her suspicions that Chris and Erin are together. They go back to the car together. They move it just enough to let Erin and Chris "know" that they know they are together. I accept the witness's account 100 % and his description of the man in the car matches Jon, not Chris. And we all see that Nichole could easily pass for Erin. (And wouldn't the timeline still have Chris and Erin at JTNP??) There is no warrant for a red car because Nichole and Jon openly acknowledge they met up to look for their spouses. Even in a borrowed red car, it doesn't matter and won't be released as pertinent information. Jon doesn't call and report Erin missing until the next day because he figures Erin is with this , he's been down this road already, is ticked off and really who thinks that murder would be involved?? Just a theory.

I do know that if I had to live across from the women that was sleeping with my husband I'd probably come across to strangers as an evil b***h too. I feel it too, but why are we so tough on Nichole?

BBM In my case, I'm so tough on Nichole because of her comments to IM.

If I thought my husband was having an affair with the woman next door, I would be an evil *****, too. No doubt about it. But, if I thought he killed her? I would be physically ill and demanding to know if he did it. And as soon as I knew he did it, I would be GONE. In fact, if he denied it but I really thought he did it, I would still be gone. I mean, really, it is pretty huge for a wife to think her husband killed somebody. Once you've gone down that road, it's pretty much a one-way street and you should sleep elsewhere, for the child's sake as well as your own. Who would want their child living in that tension? You know the poor baby has figured out a lot more than anyone would expect. What I would not do is harp at him for how stupid he was for not being able to keep his story straight and bragging that LE didn't get anything from me.

Those are not the comments of someone who is horrified and hurt by her husband's affair. Not the comments of someone who is sort of shell-shocked by the whole situation and wondering in the back of her mind if her husband might have done away with Erin. It's not even the behavior of someone who is angry at the situation but still believes her husband would never murder a woman in cold blood. That is the strident verbal harping of someone who is royally pissed off that her husband has made such a mess. And that is why I'm so tough on Nichole.

 

[cluciano63]

OT but a lot of these true crimes, especially the over-dramatized one on ID, are really annoying me. Over these past few days, in various cases, there have been references to "case being only circumstantial" while the truth is, most cases are won on circumstantial evidence, and also, "police cannot proceed with a body" which is completely untrue. Potential jurors watch this stuff and Imo, the average American is not very informed, overall. They do it for drama, but people buy into that stuff.

That said, I think LE has piles of evidence on CL and Erin WAS found. Jmo

 

[77DarkHorse7]

Circling back to why the car was moved. Just maybe...Let's say Nichole sees Erin's car parked off road. Her husband has left for the day too. hmmm. She calls Jon to tell him her suspicions that Chris and Erin are together. They go back to the car together. They move it just enough to let Erin and Chris "know" that they know they are together. I accept the witness's account 100 % and his description of the man in the car matches Jon, not Chris. And we all see that Nichole could easily pass for Erin. (And wouldn't the timeline still have Chris and Erin at JTNP??) There is no warrant for a red car because Nichole and Jon openly acknowledge they met up to look for their spouses. Even in a borrowed red car, it doesn't matter and won't be released as pertinent information. Jon doesn't call and report Erin missing until the next day because he figures Erin is with this , he's been down this road already, is ticked off and really who thinks that murder would be involved?? Just a theory.

I do know that if I had to live across from the women that was sleeping with my husband I'd probably come across to strangers as an evil b***h too. I feel it too, but why are we so tough on Nichole?

I'm soo sorry, I was pulling for this to be the case. But it doesn't fit the evidence I've just remembered. Once the car was moved the shoe prints and the tire tread showed the person walked back to a Jeep.

I am unfortunately also starting to question the conclusions that MB came to from the sighting. Mostly the height and size of the occupant. First of all the size, 'NOT a big ol' buff marine'; Well if a person's sitting so low in the car that you think he's 5'8'', how are you going to see how big in size he is. Secondly, the height, I thought all along that MB saw the person's profile through their driver's side window. I have since discovered that he couldn't have meant that, because the car was pointed north, with it's trunk aimed down towards town. MB was headed west. It would be much harder to tell where the subject's head would line up in the window by looking through the rest of the car first. These are my own conclusions naturally.

 

[Schmaley]

The only thing that I have read in MSM that backs up the "asking people to go hunting with him prior to that day" rumor was when IM stated in her lengthy "backpedaling" audio interview that CL was supposed to go with two of his friends out that morning but they ended up not going with him. (Approximately 16 minutes into the audio interview.) She never says where they were supposed to go with him that morning, just stated that if he had been able to get ahold of them and had taken them with him as planned that everything would be different and he wouldn't have had to worry about anything. (I believe when they refer to the 29th that they actually meant the 28th.) Funny she says "that morning" and not "that day". Makes me think whatever happened to Erin occurred that morning.

Also, in listening to the interview again, IM states that she had absolutely no clue that Erin was pregnant again. (Though, didn't others who worked at the Horse Rescue know she was pregnant again? I can't imagine anyone at that Rescue knowing something that IM didn't herself know....????)

http://www.cbs8.com/story/26134550/...ng-for-one-month-horse-ranch-owner-speaks-out

She is going to be a lot of fun for the Prosecution in this case, I can already tell. Yikes!

I like how she says that she could see how those statements made the detectives come to conclusions but they really twisted it. I would like to know what she feels the correct context of "they will never find the body" is. Or how about "my husband cant keep his lies straight." I cant think of any rhetoric that would precede that that would change the conclusions.

 

[TheCrankyChef]

Personally, I *think* IM wanted her 15 minutes of fame to get donations for her rescue. I wonder how that's working for her now?:moo:

Good lord, now I'm going have to go out and buy a cow!

 

[Dmacky]

It could possibly just be a very smart move by LE to name Nichole as "Person of Interest." Kind of a bluff maneuver :dunno:
hoping to possibly turn up the heat on her so she will sing like a canary.

If she was involved in any part of this horrendous murder, maybe the DA is hoping that she'll turn state's evidence against her husband in exchange for an acquittal or a reduced sentence.

I personally don't think she had any involvement or knowledge of the actual murder...BUT if my husband was gone all day on Sat. with no alibi and my next door neighbor that he was having an affair with was missing AND they had a search warrant on MY HOUSE I mean come on! She had to suspect it!! I personally would never have gotten in the car with him to go back to Alaska. They even took 2 horses back with them

But then again, I can't get past her saying "no body , no crime."

 

[stayhomemommy]

BBM In my case, I'm so tough on Nichole because of her comments to IM.

If I thought my husband was having an affair with the woman next door, I would be an evil *****, too. No doubt about it. But, if I thought he killed her? I would be physically ill and demanding to know if he did it. And as soon as I knew he did it, I would be GONE. In fact, if he denied it but I really thought he did it, I would still be gone. I mean, really, it is pretty huge for a wife to think her husband killed somebody. Once you've gone down that road, it's pretty much a one-way street and you should sleep elsewhere, for the child's sake as well as your own. Who would want their child living in that tension? You know the poor baby has figured out a lot more than anyone would expect. What I would not do is harp at him for how stupid he was for not being able to keep his story straight and bragging that LE didn't get anything from me.

Those are not the comments of someone who is horrified and hurt by her husband's affair. Not the comments of someone who is sort of shell-shocked by the whole situation and wondering in the back of her mind if her husband might have done away with Erin. It's not even the behavior of someone who is angry at the situation but still believes her husband would never murder a woman in cold blood. That is the strident verbal harping of someone who is royally pissed off that her husband has made such a mess. And that is why I'm so tough on Nichole.

BBM. Does she have anywhere to go? Maybe she feels that if she sticks by him his family will continue to help her? Or maybe she and the child will continue to get some of his military benefits as long as she doesn't divorce him? I really have no idea. Just throwing possibilities out there.

 

[maskedwoman]

BBM. Does she have anywhere to go? Maybe she feels that if she sticks by him his family will continue to help her? Or maybe she and the child will continue to get some of his military benefits as long as she doesn't divorce him? I really have no idea. Just throwing possibilities out there.

That's a fair question, certainly. But, even if I assume she had nowhere else to go and is staying with his parents for their daughter's benefit, wouldn't you do everything you could to maintain a wall between you and someone you really suspected of murder? I certainly wouldn't go anywhere with him, yet it was reported that they were in the car together when he was arrested. That doesn't sound to me like she was trying to distance herself from him in any way.

 

[Schmaley]

BBM. Does she have anywhere to go? Maybe she feels that if she sticks by him his family will continue to help her? Or maybe she and the child will continue to get some of his military benefits as long as she doesn't divorce him? I really have no idea. Just throwing possibilities out there.

This is very likely the case. But she is just a baby herself and has a lot of life ahead of her. There should be nothing stopping her from starting over. I hope that if she doesnt have any involvement that she gets some faith in herself and maybe a little bit of moxie to move on and take the opportunity to show her daughter that you dont have to hang onto a cheater.

I want to sit Nichole down and say "Evaluate yourself, sister"