GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #10

[Meemaw12]

We also know now that cl's little girl was with then in July, from the pics.

 

[Seajay]

In hindsight, if she was having so many problems adjusting to military life and his absences due to his job, it would have been so much better for her JC had moved back to Bachelor Billeting and she had gone home to her family and friends. I realize this wouldn't have been good for the marriage, but it doesn't sound like it was all the great with the marriage anyway. At least she'd be alive. And now I'm not victim bashing, I'm thinking about the circumstance she was in that lead up to her being in a vulnerable place where the affair could happen. Her being alone for a month at a time would have been lonely and miserable. Maybe even if she fly home during the times he was gone a month, it would have helped her morale and outlook. IMO.

 

[Mrs. Gladden]

My memory is the text to the friend in tenn. was sent a few days before.

I have read in the last couple of days that the messages were sent a few days before the "day of celebration".

Why is it when you read something that might be important you only make a mental note of it and not write down where you read it?

 

[Dallen]

According to that Dailymail article, it says he fought his extradition. But he didn't. Makes me question the entire article, although most of it is stuff we already knew.

 

[Seajay]

According to that Dailymail article, it says he fought his extradition. But he didn't. Makes me think the whole article is inaccurate.

I caught that and meant to comment on it. He did not fight extradition, he said he'd like to discuss it with his lawyer first. He never refused extradition.

 

[Fascinated1]

I'm not sure Nichole knew what happened until cl returned from his hunting trip. I still think she found out Erin was gone at the same time, went with IM to find out where they were or to see if she could catch them together and found Erin's car and then confronted cl when he returned. He told her what happened. She probably freaked out a bit and then went In to mama bear/self protection mode. She was likely completely pissed at the whole situation when she vented to IM about how stupid he was. Her "lies" could have been the cover up story after the fact. She looked out of it to me in the Alaska tape from yesterday. Almost in disbelief. I'm NOT exonerating her but I am just not sure she knew beforehand. Yes cl was afraid she would leave him-which makes me think this was all him. If he had told her about the affair and plans what would have stopped her from either 1) leaving anyway and/or 2)turning him In once it was done? This way HE MAKES HER an accessory after the fact. Heck-if she stopped to think about it, she should have been scared to death of him. I would have been knowing what he had just done. I just can't remember any evidence of her knowing beforehand.

 

[77DarkHorse7]

Okay. Time for a new strategy. I've looked at this every which way and I really don't think they're going to be able to stretch this pregnancy to a second murder. I think it's time to try Plan B: Double Intent

Two murders, One body.

Murder #1 (Felony Murder) Intent #1: Destroy Evidence of Military Crime Of Adultery

Underlying felony: PC-209: Kidnapping

209. (a) Any person who seizes, confines, inveigles, entices,
decoys, abducts, conceals, kidnaps or carries away another person by
any means whatsoever with intent to hold or detain, or who holds or
detains, that person for ransom, reward or to commit extortion or to
exact from another person any money or valuable thing, or any person
who aids or abets any such act, is guilty of a felony

(namely any inculpatory evidence of the affair) Since Erin died while this felony was ongoing, it's felony murder.

Murder #2 PC-187:Homicide; Intent #2: Appease his wife that the affair will never continue, a belated attempt to salvage his marriage

Legal rationale: Since he had double the intent, and double the objectives, it naturally follows it would have taken double the thought and planning.
This increases the culpability because it would extend the period in which a reasonable person could come to his senses and realize the depravity of his thoughts in such a dark time. He ultimately failed to do so.

I just don't buy it. There are so many ways to get around this pregnancy other than murder.

First of all, there's abortifacients. Anyone who wants to avoid a pregnancy (and who isn't troubled by that pesky thing we call a conscience) knows about these. And since they are the same things that a couple striving for success in their pregnancy is taught to avoid, anyone who already has a child (namely Chris and NL) also knows about them. Papaya, Pomegranate, ground up old birth control pills, Whole Bottle of Vitamin C, Evening Primrose, Ginger Root, Parsley. Chris makes up a "special drink", for their "special day" and all his "problems go away".

Secondly, he can float the idea of her getting an abortion herself. "I'm soo happy, your having my baby.." .. Ten minutes later "I'm just so scared baby; what she might do to us if she finds out this way; She'll tell them and I go away for Adultery, I'll never see you again." .... " I can't believe I've got to say this, but I feel like this isn't the right time for us.... To have this child, right now(?), we're young, you're fertile, I'm virile, we're sexy, yeah baby, yeah. Let's have a baby,... as soon as I'm free of my old ball and chain" ... "I love you sweetee" Blah blah blah.

Or, if she doesn't go for that, he just convinces her to have the baby with Jon, get him to sign the Birth Certificate, and then "we're home free", "Jon'll pay for the baby's expenses, and we'll get family time when we're married in a year. Besides, you still care for Jon, you don't want him to wind up with nothing right??" Etc. Etc.

He could manipulate her about the pregnancy, just like he manipulated her into giving up her sexual parts for his amusement, he certainly didn't have to kill her for that reason.

I agree, the pregnancy factors in here, but something else drove him to go that extra distance... to murder her, something separate from that. And therein lies his extended culpability.

See how both of these concepts work in tandem in his mind to make him more depraved than the average killer. Since we now know he didn't kill her over just the pregnancy, then the pregnancy must have been a small part of the evidence of adulterous relations that he needed to get rid of to prevent a conviction, jail time, and ensuing divorce in which he would lose custody of his child.

 

[Meemaw12]

http://www.kmir.com/story/26338818/man-accused-of-killing-erin-corwin-waives-right-to-extradition


KMIR News has learned from the San Bernardino County District Attorney's office they expect Lee will be returned to California as soon as this weekend.

 

[Knox]

*BBM*

"No body, no crime".
Why not cooperate with LE if you think you have your bases covered? NL didn't think they would ever connect the .22.

Horse lady backtracked on her statements by saying they were taken out of context, misconstrued, etc. Maybe she backtracked because CL and NL were still at the ranch at that time? She has a POI in a missing persons case living at her place and she just gave incriminating statements against them that may point to a possible murder.......... CL couldn't keep his lies straight (LE interview), EC might possibly never have been found (no body, Peterson case), don't know what LE missed in the garage, but 2 out of 3 statements from Horse lady were pretty much on the money. Saying LE took them out of context was CYA. Maybe the light bulb came on and IM figured out she may have a murderer living on her property?

Are we to believe LE scrambled her statements to bolster this case? I'm sure they taped the interview.

And if they didn't tape the interview at the ranch (which I'm thinking they did not).

Megli will be called to the witness stand at trial and asked to explain everything LE said in that PC Statement. Not exactly sure of the legal ramifications that could have, but IMO it could certainly create doubt for a jury if they think LE was less than honest at the beginning of this case.

Who knows, maybe he is going to plea bargain. That's why he is not fighting extradition, he is going to protect Nichole & his daughter.

 

[phantomthought]

Yes, but I was wondering when the actual plan was made between CL and EC.

You would think sometime after fathers day.But I was wondering if it is possible she knew she was pregnant earlier and only told CL.Then when that was not going over to well she told her husband.

 

[Knox]

Did you read the pics at the table were taken in July after EC was murdered? Takes my breath away!!!

That was shocking, they look so happy and carefree. That protective stance, with his arm over the back of their chair. Sad, isn't it.

 

[Meemaw12]

That was shocking, they look so happy and carefree. That protective stance, with his arm over the back of their chair. Sad, isn't it.

I agree and yes very sad. It really blows my mind.

 

[la2cabo]

<snipped>

Agency: Morongo Basin Sheriff Station
Prelim Est. 00:00
Defendant Christopher Brandon Lee
Birth Date 09/12/1989
Booking No.
CII No. A34472058
NCIC

BBM: Oh looky there, Mr. Lee has a birthday coming up. I wonder how he'll celebrate his 25th? Oh yeah, I just remembered :jail:. :happydance:

 

[Knox]

If accurate, this article explains how she would know the father of her unborn child. If Jon was away for at least a month at a time, there was only one man she was having sex with and it wasn't Jon.

Wonder who the friend that did not want to be quoted is? That news outlet is not reliable in terms of fact checking, so although it makes sense, not sure that info is true.

 

[la2cabo]

CL has waived extradition.

Now it's just a matter of SB County authorities picking him up. Also there is now NO bail

Reported on KESQ.com

I wonder if the wife will follow him back here or perhaps she'll begin the process of distancing herself from him and his crimes.

 

[atthelake]

Didn't he research disposing of a body before the murder? If so, of course he planned it and lured her into a trap by setting up the "special day" together. And IMO it was all about the baby...you can always deny an affair, but not a baby as a rule. Jmo

Plus...a pregnancy would expose the affair. NL may have been unwilling to become publicly the wife of man who cheated on her (as she now is anyway). If Erin had not said she was pregnant, NL still could have "managed" who knew about the affair, i.e her family etc. Maybe she told CL the other time that she would not put up with being humiliated. Jmo

And telling others that he was going hunting ..to put out an excuse if someone questioned the use of a gun that day.. if the gun was found recently fired?

By the way,that terrain looks very barren .. what would he have been hunting?

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[nikb]

See how both of these concepts work in tandem in his mind to make him more depraved than the average killer. Since we now know he didn't kill her over just the pregnancy, then the pregnancy must have been a small part of the evidence of adulterous relations that he needed to get rid of to prevent a conviction, jail time, and ensuing divorce in which he would lose custody of his child.

How do we know he didn't kill her over just the pregnancy? I totally agree with you that he's depraved, but IMO the pregnancy is exactly why he killed her.

Adultery might have led to divorce but it wouldn't have caused him to lose custody of his child (murder, on the other hand, most likely would!). I don't think they even look at adultery when it comes to custody in most states. I know they don't in California - the only way it would even matter is if the person stayed with the affair partner and that other person was somehow a threat to the child. I'm not sure about Alaska or which state they would've filed in... not that it matters now I guess. Adultery also wouldn't have led to jail time. It does have implications in the military as far as I know, but outside of the military adultery is (sadly IMO) not treated all that seriously except by the individuals involved and their families from what I've seen.

 

[Amster]

And telling others that he was going hunting ..to put out an excuse if someone questioned the use of a gun that day.. if the gun was found recently fired?

By the way,that terrain looks very barren .. what would he have been hunting?

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Lizards? Scorpians? Snakes? Maybe some bighorn sheep or wild burros? :thinking:
We used to live in Nevada....trying to remember what kind of critters were around...coyotes?

 

[Meemaw12]

http://www.desertsun.com/story/news...topher-lee-alaska-court-extradition/14389327/

Investigators are in Alaska, said Cynthia Bachman with the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department, and will bring Lee back to California within a few days.

 

[cluciano63]

See how both of these concepts work in tandem in his mind to make him more depraved than the average killer. Since we now know he didn't kill her over just the pregnancy, then the pregnancy must have been a small part of the evidence of adulterous relations that he needed to get rid of to prevent a conviction, jail time, and ensuing divorce in which he would lose custody of his child.

In the last paragraph..."since we now know he did not kill her over just the pregnancy..." We do?