GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #10

[SuziQ]

The VA guaranteed loan to buy a home is a big one! My BF (AF, Viet Nam) is paying off the 2nd home he has bought with a VAGL. The interest on it is 3%.
If you qualify, the banks won't turn you down.
For a young family, it's a huge help in getting established.
USAA is also a perk, fantastic insurance rates and banking options.
If you do your homework, there's a lot of benefits if you just ask the right questions and do the research.

And AFAIK, CL stood to lose these and other benefits if his affair was discovered and he received a dishonorable discharged. Even though it's a hard case to prove, a pregnancy and dna would be all the proof needed. I guess CL figured that all his problems would go away if Erin died. He was really thinking he'd get away with this.

 

[phantomthought]

Thanks for the map. This tells me that no one is getting up that dirt road to the mine, killing someone, disposing of a body, and getting back down that mountain and to ECs car by 10:30 AM. Just doesn't seem possible, IMO.

I will be very surprised if the red car incident and her car later being moved proves to be true.

 

[Dallen]

Yeah, I don't think the Daily Mail is really that much of a reliable source. It also said:
Erin's body was found last weekend at the bottom of a 140ft deep mineshaft two miles south east of the Twentynine Palms Marine base in California, where she lived with her husband Marine Corporal Jonathan Corwin.
BBM
Not even close to accurate ~


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-snap-murder-19-year-old-family-together.html

Good catch!

 

[Seajay]

We've done a lot of speculating here. And I'm pretty sure either collectively or individually, we have the whole story here. It will be interesting once the trial starts to find out which of what we speculated was dead on.

If he pleads not guilty, then all we'll have is the prosecutors idea of what the motive was. I don't think CL will be taking the stand in his own defense. It will be an interesting trial, that's for sure.

 

[Meemaw12]

This is older report but now it really upsets me to read it again!!!

http://www.desertsun.com/story/news/local/2014/07/30/erin-corwin-people-magazine/13359369/

Megli said the Lees typically visited the ranch on weekends, but not the Saturday when Erin went missing. Still, "Sunday they came and had fun," she told People. "They seemed fine."

 

[Dallen]

This is older report but now it really upsets me to read it again!!!

http://www.desertsun.com/story/news/local/2014/07/30/erin-corwin-people-magazine/13359369/

Megli said the Lees typically visited the ranch on weekends, but not the Saturday when Erin went missing. Still, "Sunday they came and had fun," she told People. "They seemed fine."

I bet they seemed as carefree and happy as they did in that pic from July.

 

[Meemaw12]

Also that rules out CL missing until Monday. Think I heard that somewhere.

When I first read the article I thought IM was trying to give the L's an alibi. Now I believe CL is a cold hearted killer, I will wait for NL however i do believe she knew afterward and most likely before. But not involved on The day of killing.

 

[rose222]

Will the autopsy results be released to the public? If so, when?

I might just lose it if the evidence reveals that Erin was tortured before being murdered.

 

[rose222]

An interesting article in the news today 'The Military Gave This Woman's Family A Pay Cut After Her Husband Cheated On Her.'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/22/military-marriages_n_5698547.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

 

[77DarkHorse7]

I will be very surprised if the red car incident and her car later being moved proves to be true.

Well, half of it is already proven true. As far as moving it further in, it remains to be seen, but given the extent he's shown himself willing to go to hide evidence of any involvement with Erin whatsoever, it's hard to imagine he didn't come back to her vehicle at some point to remove any trace of himself in her life, and at that point, move the car.

 

[cluciano63]

Maybe not a "simple murder" but instead a rather classic motive...adultery, sex, affairs (and pregnancy?) = one of the top motives for murder, along with revenge and financial gain. Maybe that is what was meant by whoever it was who said this was a simple murder? Jmo

 

[shadetree44]

Well, half of it is already proven true. As far as moving it further in, it remains to be seen, but given the extent he's shown himself willing to go to hide evidence of any involvement with Erin whatsoever, it's hard to imagine he didn't come back to her vehicle at some point to remove any trace of himself in her life, and at that point, move the car.

Help me out here. Other than MB's statement, what did I miss proving the red car was there. I believe MB but have not read anything confirming its existence. No doubt it's there, I just missed it. Help!

 

[Seajay]

An interesting article in the news today 'The Military Gave This Woman's Family A Pay Cut After Her Husband Cheated On Her.'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/22/military-marriages_n_5698547.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

Yup, that's what happens when you get caught. The reason the other couple didn't get a pay cut is that it was the guys WIFE who cheated, he didn't do anything and he's the military member, so only the gal in this report and her husband got a pay cut because he is military and he was the cheater.

 

[Dmacky]

Actually, there's an excellent reason to fight the extradition, it let's you see the strength of the other side's evidence, and gives you an idea of their strategies when it comes time for the main event. I'm surprised the defence didn't even consider this.

BBM~
Totally the opposite. If CL does not sign a waiver of extradition he would unable to find out absolutely anything, about any of the evidence they have against him. The only way for that to happen would be for him to return to the state where the murder took place.

Attorney David Kaloyanides advised Lee to waive his extradition rights to speed up the legal hearings in order to look at the evidence carefully and legal strategies.

Yeah, I don't think the Daily Mail is really that much of a reliable source. It also said:
Erin's body was found last weekend at the bottom of a 140ft deep mineshaft two miles south east of the Twentynine Palms Marine base in California, where she lived with her husband Marine Corporal Jonathan Corwin.
BBM
Not even close to accurate ~


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-snap-murder-19-year-old-family-together.html

Umm, he did fight it. At least temporarily. Remember, that first appearance he said he had to check with a lawyer before he could waive extradition. Counts as fighting, in my book anyways.

Umm, I was referring to the Daily Mail Tabloid in general. I know CL said he wanted to discuss it with his lawyer first.

 

[Seajay]

I'm not a lawyer but my idea of someone who fights extradition is to refused to leave the state he was arrested in formally, through paperwork, and the state that wants his sorry butt has to file formal requests to have him sent to them. Saying I'd like to talk to my lawyer first does not mean he "fought" extradition. To me, fighting extradition is a whole lot more in legal maneuvering and takes a lot of time, not just a day or two. But like I said, I'm not a lawyer so what do I know?

 

[NWLady]

IMO, here's a few things that CL may have going for him in his favor from a defense point of view; all are JMO only. However, I do NOT for one minute believe he was innocent and I DO believe NL was involved either before, during and/or after, and I believe there MAY be a possibility she is more responsible than he is.

1) Tire tracks from their vehicle at site where Erin's car was found. Does this prove who was driving Lee's vehicle?
2) Rebar and 22 caliber casings found in mine and match those found in their vehicle, which both Lees would have had access to their own vehicle and things in it. (Of course we don't know what LE has regarding fingerprints etc)
3) 22 caliber rifle at the “ranch” that was in their home previously. Who put it there, NL or CL? If it was in the Lee's home or at the ranch, both of them would have had access to it.
4) I am not sure if we KNOW if it was text messages and/or actual phone calls from Erin to her friend in TN regarding going out to celebrate with CL, but irregardless, IF CL and Erin were supposedly in contact with each other (possibly) per text messages regarding this day to celebrate, who's to say that NL wasn't sending the texts to Erin on behalf of CL (using CL's phone)?
5) Regarding internet searches for how to dispose of a body – both NL and CL (I'd assume) had access to the same computer that was used for this (assuming it was a computer in their home).
And yes I do realize, CL allegedly also asked someone how to dispose of a body as well.
6) Who typically would have been the most upset about the alleged affair between Erin and CL? NL or CL?


Regarding the red car sighting, I am still not convinced of this. I am not saying MB is not a reliable witness, nor am I saying he did not see what he says he did, however, we all know witness testimony can a lot of times not be correct etc. I would think we would have heard more about this red car somewhere along the line but I guess only time will tell. I do find it interesting that the Lees' Jeep is maroon, but I would think the general public would know the difference between a maroon/red Jeep SUV versus a small red car. One scenario I can say that could play out is CL and Erin met that morning of June 28 somewhere near JTNP; the only reason I feel this is possibly where they met is because she had allegedly told her husband she was going to JTNP (although for different reasons regarding her mother's visit, etc) AND CL had allegedly said he was going “hunting” at JTNP. So then either CL or NL or both take Erin to the mine (enough said there) and then someone drives Erin's car back to where it was found and has someone pick them up, and this is where the witness account of MB comes in. And IF it's possible a maroon/red Jeep SUV is mistaken for a small red car, it could be possible that Erin left her car where it was found and CL picked her up there for their day together and this is what the witness allegedly saw.

 

[cluciano63]

If NL ends up being charged too, CL will likely have no way out, Jmo. He will either be on the end of NL's lawyer, blaming him completely, or he will give in to have to let her off as much as possible. I hope LE has something solid with regards to NL, so that it does not come down to juries having to decide which one did it. My feeling is that NL will speak, if she is charged and is likely to throw CL under the bus. No way will she want to go to prison, when in her mind she is likely a victim of CL's actions too. Jmo

 

[Seajay]

I've never been convinced that NL was a part of the plot from the beginning, however, I honestly do believe she was a part of the cover up. She's not acting like a victim in this. If all this went down with my husband, I wouldn't be anywhere near him. I would be living in a different place then him in AK, and I would be filing for divorce. All the dirty laundry is out and it has to be humiliating. Her being in court for the bond hearing told me plenty. Why would she stand beside him, support him if he had an affair, got another woman pregnant and then killed her??? Unless she's cruising down the river called Denial. IMO

 

[BRRI]

If I am not mistaken, Lee would be eligible for the Post-9/11 GI Bill , a full time student would receive full tuition and fees for a public college, housing allowance equal to local Basic Housing allowance for active duty members and a $1000 stipend for books and school supplies. If the college considers a student taking 6 credit hours as half-time, Lee would only have to take 7 credit hours to be considered full time and receive these benefits. Plenty of time left after classes to have a full time job. JMO

Also, the money doesn't necessarily correspond to the tuition rate. It's a fixed amount, paid directly to you, so you can use it how you would like so long as you can prove that you are in school. I know people who have found the cheapest tuition possible and then used the rest to buy a car, pay off debt, start a nice savings account, down payment on a house...

 

[BRRI]

You're right! A lotta people round here saying it's a simple murder, but it's not. I can think of a lot of easier, simpler ways for murder, but you'd end up with a body(including his offspring) and her things(cell phone messages) would have to be left around. All evidence of the affair left intact. He definitely wanted both outcomes, Erin gone, and all evidence of the affair destroyed as well.

Not that there's ever any such thing as a "simple murder" anyways. :facepalm:

Well, he certainly didn't do a good job of hiding any evidence if that was his goal. Extremely sloppy.