GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #10

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BBM: Really? This certainly doesn't seem right. Ugh.

Yup that's what that law prof said when asked about who had jurisdiction over his case. That even though he committed the murder while an active duty Marine, since the body was found after his honorable discharge, the USMC would not try to reinstate him as active duty to try him in a military court. (Where he could lose his honorable discharge status.) Sucks.
 
  • #602
The car being red is true. Lee's jeep was Maroon. As to the other concerns about size and car type, for one thing MB only said it was a sedan initially, it wasn't until a month later that it became a smaller car. Sedans come in various sizes. He was prodded with questions for weeks, and asked about the truthfulness of his statement, and if he really saw what he thought he saw. That can change the perception a little bit. The one thing he's completely certain about, without a doubt is that the car was red. He never said what shade of red, like how dark or light, just red. Definitely RED.

Size perception changes by how far away the object is. We don't know how far away from the road the cars were initially. And if the blue car was moved further away, then it's conceivable that when he drove by again a couple times comparing the now smaller-looking blue car to the red car's image in his memory, the size of the red car became difficult to ascertain. The other thing is the curb, is it a bump or a mound;... THAT could hide the bottom of the car making it look smaller. Or did the Jeep's tires sink into the sand, with the same results. Is the terrain completely flat, or is it curved? Etc.

Thanks for the reply. I'm not trying to be difficult, just trying to be clear - so we have speculation that the "red car" may have actually been an older model maroon jeep? Is there any confirmation of this, or just speculation? That's where I'm getting stuck. I can't take it as fact unless/until the witness comes out and says "oh yeah that might be what I saw, I thought for sure it was a sedan..." Did that happen and I missed it?
 
  • #603
Very good point... he probably didn't research any of this as it relates to likely ramifications. And yet, he took the time to research how to get rid of a body.

He must have truly thought there was no way he'd ever be caught, or it just makes no sense. I mean it's still senseless but he did spend at least some time researching it from what little we know. Obviously the punishment for Murder is going to be a whole lot worse than the punishment for Adultery, if the Adultery could even be proven as 1. happening and 2. having enough impact on the military that they cared to pursue it.

It's mind boggling to me. I guess that's a good thing.
I know nik, me too. I think he honestly believed he could get away with it. I don't know how since he left such a trail of evidence behind. He sure didn't learn how to distance himself from any of the crime elements. Throwing the .22 shells and rebar down there with the body was stoopid to say the least. Those two things tied directly back to him. Anyone who watches any crime show knows you don't leave anything at a murder scene that can be directly traced back to you. He might as well have thrown his military ID down the hole with Erin and the other stuff.
 
  • #604
I'm still reading through but don't want to lose my thoughts:

1: The 3 weeks pregnant always sounded odd to me, but if that's what JC gave police, that would be what EC told him, and she may have adjusted it from 5 weeks to make it fit in when he was at home. A couple of weeks at the end of the pregnancy is no big deal.

2: I'm going out on a limb to say that NL actually told CL that if he loved her and wanted to keep the family together, he would kill EC. I believe she participated in the planning and the coverup in order to preserve what she had with CL, but made him actually do the deed, to "prove his love". That would also forever tie them together, making sure he couldn't cheat again. MOO.

Thanks for your thoughts.

On "2:", it's difficult to comprehend and accept that some people would think/act in such a way (can't relate), but other couples have done the same (always (gender-wise) it's the man that strays, the scorned woman demands he make it right and eliminate her rival, and he does kill the woman he has 'gone astray with' to try to fix things and get out of trouble/eliminate the problem (a human being, but 'object of desire/affection' keeps coming to mind, which is awful to me for a man to consider a woman who is a person an object, but..), and he continues to have the "hang-dog/I'm still in the doghouse but what did I really do wrong" kind of mentality/look -- "I fixed it (killed her rival/the object of my desire/affection) to make things better and make her happy, but I'm still in the dog house!! Wow, I don't understand why... "

This is the way CL looks to me in photos/videos since his arrest (deer in the headlights/sheepish but peeved look, with NL sitting in the back of the courtroom snapping her gum and looking self-righteous instead of what I think most aggrieved wives would be showing (some level of grief/upset/disgust/concern), that some people have commented on)...

IMO (just visual interpretation, my own) she looks so on-about-her-business and he seems unrepentently childish like a little boy who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and got scolded for it -- he's sorry, but not for what he did, just for getting caught and being punished/held accountable for his actions, and is miffed. Like "oh god, I've been doing everything my wife told me to to make amends for what I did (that I did cuz it was a good time for me... why should I be punished for enjoying myself (having that cookie), and I'm still in trouble and being crucified for it? f&*^%$#
 
  • #605
I wonder if Erin ever wore a ponytail or had a baseball cap. I saw a picture of Nicole Lee wearing a baseball cap mounted on a horse recently.

There are several pics of Nichole wearing a ball cap & glasses/sunglasses. I've often wondered, though, if it was indeed Erin. If someone saw EC & CL in the Jeep, they would assume it was Nichole.
 
  • #606
I'm having a hard time believing CL didn't realize how much the affair would jeopardize his career. Its not something a service member would have to look up. It's instilled in your brain from boot camp, on. There are severe ramifications to everything. We had a friend at our last duty station go "X" (I can't remember what it was) months with an expired tag, fully knowing he would not be able to drive on base for 2 years if he got caught. What happened? He did it anyway and got caught. Something so minor that he could've taken care of in a matter of minutes. He knew the ramifications and still made that decision...daily. I am almost positive CL knew the extent to which he could pay, but had an affair anyway, risking it all. It happens all the time. For serious offenses and very minor ones. But now, here CL sits, facing even more serious charges, with "dishonorable discharge" being his last concern.
 
  • #607
How long after a miscarriage would a pregnancy test still show positive? Or would it?
 
  • #608
I wonder if Erin ever wore a ponytail or had a baseball cap. I saw a picture of Nicole Lee wearing a baseball cap mounted on a horse recently.

I was wondering about this too. Nichole seems to have her hair back/up in almost all the pictures I've seen of her, whether it's a headband, ponytail, or hat. Erin rarely seemed to wear her hair this way. Of course maybe she did sometimes, but it seems to be much more common for Nichole to wear her hair like this.
 
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I know nik, me too. I think he honestly believed he could get away with it. I don't know how since he left such a trail of evidence behind. He sure didn't learn how to distance himself from any of the crime elements. Throwing the .22 shells and rebar down there with the body was stoopid to say the least. Those two things tied directly back to him. Anyone who watches any crime show knows you don't leave anything at a murder scene that can be directly traced back to you. He might as well have thrown his military ID down the hole with Erin and the other stuff.

Didn't I read somewhere that NL watched a lot of True Crime? If so, she either didn't learn anything or wasn't involved with the actual murder or she set CL up. :thinking:
 
  • #610
This attorney seems on top of the case. He also appears to be sharp. As I said before, this will not be a cake walk if it goes to trial. Thanks for the article.
I agree that he seems sharp. I don't think it will be such a cakewalk tho. The shell casings and rebar can be linked back to CL. The tire tracks too. Motive is clear. He did a search on places to hide a body and a friend stated he asked him about hiding a body. EC stated she was going to be with CL that day...thats not even counting IMs statement and evidence we dont know about. I think they have much more evidence....texts...phone pings...DNA....JMOO
 
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I know nik, me too. I think he honestly believed he could get away with it. I don't know how since he left such a trail of evidence behind. He sure didn't learn how to distance himself from any of the crime elements. Throwing the .22 shells and rebar down there with the body was stoopid to say the least. Those two things tied directly back to him. Anyone who watches any crime show knows you don't leave anything at a murder scene that can be directly traced back to you. He might as well have thrown his military ID down the hole with Erin and the other stuff.

I know what you mean. I'm pretty glad he's seemingly either overly cocky or not so smart, though (maybe both).
 
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I hate to even ask this or think it...but do we know if the miscarriage was documented by medical professionals? I mean, I know women who had them and did not go to hospital. Maybe just later on to make sure all is well. Or was that pregnancy at least confirmed, was she she on prenatal vitamins, etc? Just wondering. And if that all took place, did she somehow believe she could not get pregnant again for a certain amount of time, i.e six months, in which case she would not worry about conceiving with either JC, if he was around, or CL.
 
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I agree that he seems sharp. I don't think it will be such a cakewalk tho. The shell casings and rebar can be linked back to CL. The tire tracks too. Motive is clear. He did a search on places to hide a body and a friend stated he asked him about hiding a body. EC stated she was going to be with CL that day...thats not even counting IMs statement and evidence we dont know about. I think they have much more evidence....texts...phone pings...DNA....JMOO

Yep. I was also thinking about the dirt on the under-carriage of the vehicle and possibly surveillance video of the murderer at a car wash - if he went that route. Or surveillance of any kind. Like they knew Erin never entered JTNP that day.

IMO, there are a lot more possibilities in terms of evidence that we know nothing about. There is a reason LE was onto him pretty much from the beginning and a reason they had a pretty good idea where to look for Erin. That arrest was a message to CL, IMO. He's done.
 
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Yep. I was also thinking about the dirt on the under-carriage of the vehicle and possibly surveillance video of the murderer at a car wash - if he went that route. There are a lot more possibilities in terms of evidence that we know nothing about. There is a reason LE was onto him pretty much from the beginning and a reason they had a pretty good idea where to look for Erin. That arrest was a message to CL, IMO. He's done.

There may be more that was found at the scene too. LE would usually only release the minimum at this point, to charge him. Jmo
 
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I know nik, me too. I think he honestly believed he could get away with it. I don't know how since he left such a trail of evidence behind. He sure didn't learn how to distance himself from any of the crime elements. Throwing the .22 shells and rebar down there with the body was stoopid to say the least. Those two things tied directly back to him. Anyone who watches any crime show knows you don't leave anything at a murder scene that can be directly traced back to you. He might as well have thrown his military ID down the hole with Erin and the other stuff.

Yeah, he had the wherewithal to plan and research getting rid of her in a place he thought wouldn't ever be found (so many thousands of miles of desert, so many thousands of abandoned mines), and that was as far as he went, methinks. His limited sociopathic figuring told him that was enough, and it could have been (and has been with other perps who just did that and have gotten away with murder cuz the body hasn't been found (Heather Elvis, etc.)), but in this instance THANKFULLY, LE kept at it and had enough information to find her and charge him, so now that he's been caught, we have to wonder at his stupidity (box of rocks, not the sharpest tool in the shed, etc.), but it just goes to show that low-brained activity (I can pull off the basics to get this monkey off my back, and I don't understand why it's on my back to begin with cuz I'm just doin' stuff) isn't evolved enough to get away with murder in the civilization he was born into.Just sayin', MOO, and hoping I am not being a judgmental, heartless a**, cuz I don't know any of this for sure, and am opinionating/speculating about what lead to this victim's demise. Erin, it wasn't your fault you hooked up with a man that was not norm!
 
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How long after a miscarriage would a pregnancy test still show positive? Or would it?

the HCG (preg hormones) can stay in the body up to 4-6 weeks, however, years back, i miscarried in April and was still showing + ept tests up until late Aug. I thought i may be pregnant again but after Dr. did blood test he confirmed it was the trace HCG still in my system that the EPT was picking up.
 
  • #618
That is fantastic shadetree44! My results today also came out clean as a whistle. Woo hoo! Thank you to those who showed concern, I GREATLY appreciate it :)

That's Terrific!!!! You are truly welcome! May the wind always be @ our back. Peace!
 
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BBM I believe this may be one of the stock photos probably found on the internet and not a current photo taken recently and may not even be the actual apartments of the C's and L's but of the general vicinity. We pretty much discussed the pictures ad nauseum and it was shown they were all stock and/or old photos. (Not to mention that press has not been allowed access to base regarding this story. Pictures, if not stock, would have to be long range/telephoto taken from off base.)

Thanks Moonbeams, I didn't realize this had been through the mill. I must have missed it. Maybe we find out someday if the red car story was/is applicable. I just struggle with the time line and what MB stated he observed. Something is not clear about it all. Again thanks for the heads up!
 
  • #620
Without reinstating him for a court martial, he'll be able to keep his honorable discharge. However, if he can't serve out his IRR, his family will be losing their benefits. It irks me this guy can commit a murder while a United States Marine, and get to keep his honorable discharge status because the body of his victim wasn't found until after he separated from the Marines.

Hopefully it won't matter Seajay, if they convict and lock him up until "Hell Freezes Over"!!!
 
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