GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #10

[nikb]

I can't find a link, apparently the american legal system is insane.

I will say that eyewitness testimony is not as good as a chain of physical evidence that Directly ties a perpetrator to a crime, but in some cases it may be better than evidence of the context of the crime and the circumstances of both the perpetrator and the victim at the time of the attack.

I understand that you can't find a link but can you tell us where you got this from?

 

[nikb]

Does anybody know what the pros and cons of fighting extradition would be? I thought CL would fight extradition in an effort to stay in Alaska longer so that he would be closer to family and visitors. Will he be able to have visitors while he's waiting for his trial? Boy would I like to be a fly on the visitation room wall when his attorney pays him a visit.

I'll also be curious to see if NL moves back to CA to be near CL and stand by her man. It will be interesting to see how their relationship plays out in the coming weeks and months. I wonder who will throw who under the bus first? :underbus:

I haven't done much research into where he was being held in Alaska but it's possible he was nowhere near his family anyway (it's a big state!) so I wonder if that factored into his decision. Long story but a friend of my husband's was in jail on prescription drug charges and he spent most of his prison time about 5-6 hours away from family - still California, but fairly far away.

I'm with you... I wonder a whole lot of things about this case. I think what I may wonder most is if we'll ever even get enough information to know or understand why this happened.

 

[shadetree44]

The only thing that I have read in MSM that backs up the "asking people to go hunting with him prior to that day" rumor was when IM stated in her lengthy "backpedaling" audio interview that CL was supposed to go with two of his friends out that morning but they ended up not going with him. (Approximately 16 minutes into the audio interview.) She never says where they were supposed to go with him that morning, just stated that if he had been able to get ahold of them and had taken them with him as planned that everything would be different and he wouldn't have had to worry about anything. (I believe when they refer to the 29th that they actually meant the 28th.) Funny she says "that morning" and not "that day". Makes me think whatever happened to Erin occurred that morning.

Also, in listening to the interview again, IM states that she had absolutely no clue that Erin was pregnant again. (Though, didn't others who worked at the Horse Rescue know she was pregnant again? I can't imagine anyone at that Rescue knowing something that IM didn't herself know....????)

http://www.cbs8.com/story/26134550/...ng-for-one-month-horse-ranch-owner-speaks-out

She is going to be a lot of fun for the Prosecution in this case, I can already tell. Yikes!

deleted this one as it tried to double post!!

 

[shadetree44]

The only thing that I have read in MSM that backs up the "asking people to go hunting with him prior to that day" rumor was when IM stated in her lengthy "backpedaling" audio interview that CL was supposed to go with two of his friends out that morning but they ended up not going with him. (Approximately 16 minutes into the audio interview.) She never says where they were supposed to go with him that morning, just stated that if he had been able to get ahold of them and had taken them with him as planned that everything would be different and he wouldn't have had to worry about anything. (I believe when they refer to the 29th that they actually meant the 28th.) Funny she says "that morning" and not "that day". Makes me think whatever happened to Erin occurred that morning.

Also, in listening to the interview again, IM states that she had absolutely no clue that Erin was pregnant again. (Though, didn't others who worked at the Horse Rescue know she was pregnant again? I can't imagine anyone at that Rescue knowing something that IM didn't herself know....????)

http://www.cbs8.com/story/26134550/...ng-for-one-month-horse-ranch-owner-speaks-out

She is going to be a lot of fun for the Prosecution in this case, I can already tell. Yikes!

Boy did I miss that statement by MI. This case has me totally perplexed at this point. Everybody keeps adding mud to the water. I only hope that statement by CL was just to cover himself, saying people were suppose to go with him. Hopeful he is back in CA this weekend and formally charged next week. That should allow some info to surface, I hope! I truly thought I was crazy when all these questions stated to surface in my head, but I see others are thinking outside the box. I don't want this person walking!

IM will be a piece of work on the stand!

Peace.

 

[Meemaw12]

http://www.desertsun.com/story/news...orwin-candlelight-vigil-luckie-park/14499021/

Erin Corwin vigil to take place Monday

 

[Meemaw12]

There will be a candlelight vigil for Erin Corwin from 6 to 8 p.m. on Monday at Luckie Park, on the corner of Utah Trail and Joe Davis Road in Twentynine Palms, Corwin's husband told The Desert Sun Saturday.

 

[la2cabo]

http://www.desertsun.com/story/news...orwin-candlelight-vigil-luckie-park/14499021/

Erin Corwin vigil to take place Monday

Your link didn't work for me so I used this one...

http://www.desertsun.com/story/news...orwin-candlelight-vigil-luckie-park/14499021/

 

[la2cabo]

In lieu of flowers, donations will be accepted in memory of Erin, "for the San Bernardino Search and Rescue team who brought her home," a statement by the vigil organizers said.

I love that they are doing this!

http://www.desertsun.com/story/news/...park/14499021/

 

[perfectingpink]

http://www.desertsun.com/story/news...orwin-candlelight-vigil-luckie-park/14499021/

Erin Corwin vigil to take place Monday

Another purple girl...:sigh:

 

[RSC]

I think this is just logic, if I understand what is being said.
Witnesses are often unreliable. Direct evidence, if complete, is often pretty solid.

A hodge podge of either witness or physical evidence that is incomplete or circumstantial is in the middle.

I understand that you can't find a link but can you tell us where you got this from?

 

[nikb]

There will be a candlelight vigil for Erin Corwin from 6 to 8 p.m. on Monday at Luckie Park, on the corner of Utah Trail and Joe Davis Road in Twentynine Palms, Corwin's husband told The Desert Sun Saturday.

He "told" them? As in talked to them? Wow! Or I wonder if it was just a statement released. In any case I think it's a great idea. I was just surprised to see he'd talked to the media.

 

[RSC]

I sometimes wonder if IM will be arrested for obstructing justice

Boy did I miss that statement by MI. This case has me totally perplexed at this point. Everybody keeps adding mud to the water. I only hope that statement by CL was just to cover himself, saying people were suppose to go with him. Hopeful he is back in CA this weekend and formally charged next week. That should allow some info to surface, I hope! I truly thought I was crazy when all these questions stated to surface in my head, but I see others are thinking outside the box. I don't want this person walking!

IM will be a piece of work on the stand!

Peace.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I haven't done much research into where he was being held in Alaska but it's possible he was nowhere near his family anyway (it's a big state!) so I wonder if that factored into his decision. Long story but a friend of my husband's was in jail on prescription drug charges and he spent most of his prison time about 5-6 hours away from family - still California, but fairly far away.

I'm with you... I wonder a whole lot of things about this case. I think what I may wonder most is if we'll ever even get enough information to know or understand why this happened.

FYI...

Per Arrest Warrant... CL was living in Alaska at: (after moving from CA... But prior to arrest)

2901 Brandywine Ave.
Anchorage, AK

He is now being held in Anchorage jail... (See link below...)
http://www.adn.com/article/20140821...ne-wife-murder-will-be-transported-california

through Google Maps... The distance and time between Brandywine Ave... And Anchorage Correction Department (jail) is:

7.1 miles/17 minutes

HTH...:seeya:

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I feel so bad for all involved. It must have been a huge strain on them all for these two young couples(Corwins and Lees), who worked together (JC and CL) and were neighbors and initially friends (socializing, going to the horse ranch together) to work things out when CL and Erin were having an affair under the noses of their spouses, living next door to eachother and all. I think they were probably just trying to figure their way through it, and all four of them were just taking it one day at a time when it became apparent that the affair wasn't over and Erin was pregnant. What to do? No way of knowing what JC and NL were thinking/planning to do or trying to come up with a solution-- there just isn't any evidence either of them were taking action -- it's all rumor/speculation how wronged/angry/vengeful they felt about the situation.

What we do know (from LE affidavits justifying the search warrants) is that CL and Erin met up the day she disappeared, and they obviously talked on their way to the hunting trip/'special day' to celebrate her pregnancy. It could have been as basic as "what are we going to do? how are we going to deal with this without screwing up our current marriages/lives/careers in the USMC and having everything blow up in our faces?", i.e., they were feeling eachother out and going off for the day to talk it through.

Maybe Erin was more hopeful and excited that they could figure out a way to be together somehow, and was still enamored with him and in the throes of their love affair, but still was keeping the possibility open of staying with JC and having the baby with him (she told him she was pregnant) if it was a no-go for CL because of his obligations to his wife and daughter and his just finishing up his 6 years of service with plans to return to his home in AK, etc.

So she thought they were just going to talk it through and work things out when she went off with him willingly that day, but he already had decided there was no workable solution for him and her wanting to keep the baby and pursue the possibility of them making a life together somehow was too much of a threat to all he held 'dear', and he couldn't bring himself to dump her without there being huge repercussions for him that he would not tolerate. So he strung her along and pretended to be on the same page (let's celebrate your pregnancy) to get her alone, but it was just a ruse (hence the lying in wait charge), and he planned to and did then murder her once he got her to a remote location where he was sure he could dispose of her body and it would never be found, and his infidelity and getting her pregnant would never come out and he could go on his merry way.

I truly think it was that simple, and whether NL pressured him (or worse) and/or he was worried about losing his family/child support/demotion/finances/looking like a schmuck, etc., and/or JC and/or NL were livid and collaborated somehow to end the affair or cover things up because of their huge emotional investments in trying to right their ships and restore their relationships/status/avoid additional embarrassment, those possible contributing factors were peripheral to CL's decision to take her life to make his problems go away, because he has no conscience and is a narcissistic sociopath, just like Scott Peterson. He did it, he got caught and is charged with her murder, and he alone is going to have to face justice, and all the rest is just excuses/noise/boohoo for you. I don't care if his wife 'made him do it'. He did it. End of story. JMOO

 

[Kensie]

Great post Twistinginthewind!!!!

 

[Seajay]

I keep going back and forth from thinking NL only knew about what he did after the fact and helped him to cover it up to her pulling a Diane Zamora. "If you love me, prove it and get rid of the object of your desire." I can see her wanting t obliterate Erin off the face of the earth for her part in all this, and I can see in her mind the only way to "make it right" is for Erin to not exist on the this planet anymore. Sort of take out her competition to where she never had to worry about it again. IMO at the moment.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I keep going back and forth from thinking NL only knew about what he did after the fact and helped him to cover it up to her pulling a Diane Zamora. "If you love me, prove it and get rid of the object of your desire." I can see her wanting t obliterate Erin off the face of the earth for her part in all this, and I can see in her mind the only way to "make it right" is for Erin to not exist on the this planet anymore. Sort of take out her competition to where she never had to worry about it again. IMO at the moment.

Yeah, I'm vacillating too on NL's level of involvement in making it happen, and totally could see her giving him an ultimatum or worse (collaborating and helping make it a sure thing). But the bottom line is that, he, CL was the one who took a human life in cold blood to ease his way out of his own problems that HE created, and he thankfully will not be able to get away with murder like some have because he screwed up and isn't above the law... LE has him by the short and curlies.

 

[heartgoesout]

Circling back to why the car was moved. Just maybe...Let's say Nichole sees Erin's car parked off road. Her husband has left for the day too. hmmm. She calls Jon to tell him her suspicions that Chris and Erin are together. They go back to the car together. They move it just enough to let Erin and Chris "know" that they know they are together. I accept the witness's account 100 % and his description of the man in the car matches Jon, not Chris. And we all see that Nichole could easily pass for Erin. (And wouldn't the timeline still have Chris and Erin at JTNP??) There is no warrant for a red car because Nichole and Jon openly acknowledge they met up to look for their spouses. Even in a borrowed red car, it doesn't matter and won't be released as pertinent information. Jon doesn't call and report Erin missing until the next day because he figures Erin is with this , he's been down this road already, is ticked off and really who thinks that murder would be involved?? Just a theory.

I do know that if I had to live across from the women that was sleeping with my husband I'd probably come across to strangers as an evil b***h too. I feel it too, but why are we so tough on Nichole?

 

[Seajay]

Yeah, I'm vacillating too on NL's level of involvement in making it happen, and totally could see her giving him an ultimatum or worse (collaborating and helping make it a sure thing). But the bottom line is that, he, CL was the one who took a human life in cold blood to ease his way out of his own problems that HE created, and he thankfully will not be able to get away with murder like some have because he screwed up and isn't above the law... LE has him by the short and curlies.

Of course, he did to the deed. NL may get a conspiracy to commit murder charge or accessory after the fact. But ultimately he decided to murder this poor girl for turning to him for comfort during an painful time in her life. She had to be vulnerable when she came to him.

He thought it out, there is proof of that with his computer search and asking that person who to dispose of a body. He's the one who stuck his neck out by asking that question.

Because he was so sloppy, I wonder if he was just desperate to get it over with and didn't think it all the way through first. Maybe if he had, he would have realized there was no way he was going to get away with it.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Circling back to why the car was moved. Just maybe...Let's say Nichole sees Erin's car parked off road. Her husband has left for the day too. hmmm. She calls Jon to tell him her suspicions that Chris and Erin are together. They go back to the car together. They move it just enough to let Erin and Chris "know" that they know they are together. I accept the witness's account 100 % and his description of the man in the car matches Jon, not Chris. There is no warrant for a red car because Nichole and Jon openly acknowledge they met up to look for their spouses. Even in a borrowed red car, it doesn't matter and won't be released as pertinent information. Jon doesn't call and report Erin missing until the next day because he figures Erin is with this , he's been down this road already, is ticked off and really who thinks that murder would be involved??

Yes, very possible it was JC and NL checking out Erin's car they found when out looking for their spouses who had both left at 7 am-ish on a Saturday morning to go off to JTNP for whatever their excuses were. They apparently both knew what was going on, and I for one would go with my neighbor whose spouse was having an affair with my spouse to see if we could find them and put the brakes on things/intervene before things got even more out of hand. The witness description fits the two of them the best (NL and JC). Don't know whose red car they were in, but IIRC there was/I saw a few weeks into WS posts a current photo of their apartment complex parking area that had a small, new, red car (that fits the description of the witness, MB) parked right outside their building that they could have borrowed from someone (a neighbor?). Also, I think there are reasons why LE has never mentioned a thing about the red car and eyewitness account of it, perhaps because they had already been told that JC and NL had borrowed a red car to go looking for their spouses that morning, and their activities were not in question, just CL's, whom they had plenty of info to go after.