GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #11

[Twistinginthewind]

Gosh, I am suddenly feeling like I know nothing about this case. Where has it been reported she was homeschooled? I totally missed it. Thanks in advance.

I can't speak to her upbringing/schooling in her family of 7 siblings (I think), but going way back to the first days Erin was missing, I saw her 'biological dad' and his partner in a MSM video interview where he stated "this girl just needs to be brought home" and seemed quite choked up. IIRC, Erin was adopted, and didn't know her biological father (the man in the interview), and her biological mother was said to be in jail/prison. Not sure if true, but I thought she was adopted by her mom (Lore Heavlin) and her husband at the time, and then they divorced and her mother remarried her current husband when Erin was young. So Erin's parents who came to 29 Palms initially when she went missing were her adoptive mother and her current husband (Erin's stepfather). Her parentage and upbringing are not relevant to what happened to Erin, IMO, just commenting on what IIRC her familial background was. Obviously her family loved her and that is all that's important, whether she was homeschooled or adopted or anything. IMOO

 

[Seajay]

I don't get the attraction either but he was a few years older, probably very buff and nearby. Loneliness can really do a bad number on the best of people.

I'd like to believe that she still loved Jon and that they would have gotten past this if CL hadn't killed her. It sounded like he is a forgiving man. He forgave the affair when he first found out. Had she lived, he may have been willing to try it again, once CL was out of their lives for good and back in Alaska.

Yet she must have wanted something with CL if she seemed to be sure the baby was his and was willing to go out hunting with him to celebrate her pregnancy by him. She was looking for something, I'm not sure what. But I'm also not sure she was in love with him. IMO

 

[Seajay]

Mine neither. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I've never heard of it being a problem. I put our mortgage in the mailbox every month :/

We quit putting our mail out in the mailbox years ago and have always gone to the post office to mail our monthly bills. I think we started doing it around the time it was hitting the news that mail was being stolen out of boxes. We moved our mailbox to our front porch and ten mailed our outgoing mail at the post office. I don't even know if it was happening in my neighborhood.

 

[nikb]

Wow... maybe we need to move! Everyone around us has had mail stolen. It's just usually a matter of how much, what was stolen, and how far the criminals went (the 14 year old who wiped our checks and made them out to herself was on her third felony last I heard, because they had evidence she tampered with the mailboxes to get them). Sorry for the O/T... I had no idea this wasn't happening practically everywhere.

SeaJay I waver back and forth on that with Jon/CL/Erin. Was Jon wiling to forgive a second/continued affair? Was he willing to raise another man's baby as his if that's what it came down to? What makes me so sad is they were all pretty young (even CL really), and we'll never know because they never had the chance to figure it out. In this case I come back to "she didn't have to die!" so many times. Was there a nice clean solution to it all? Maybe not. But did she need to end up the way she did? No.

 

[Seajay]

Wow... maybe we need to move! Everyone around us has had mail stolen. It's just usually a matter of how much, what was stolen, and how far the criminals went (the 14 year old who wiped our checks and made them out to herself was on her third felony last I heard, because they had evidence she tampered with the mailboxes to get them). Sorry for the O/T... I had no idea this wasn't happening practically everywhere.

SeaJay I waver back and forth on that with Jon/CL/Erin. Was Jon wiling to forgive a second/continued affair? Was he willing to raise another man's baby as his if that's what it came down to? What makes me so sad is they were all pretty young (even CL really), and we'll never know because they never had the chance to figure it out. In this case I come back to "she didn't have to die!" so many times. Was there a nice clean solution to it all? Maybe not. But did she need to end up the way she did? No.

I know. We've listed all the possible motives for her being murdered the way she was, and yet each one we could discount as not being a good enough reason. Yet he murdered her anyway. So no matter how we didn't think anything was reason enough to kill her, obvious CL did. She did not have to die, none of the things that were going on was serious enough, bad enough to warrant CL killing her. She didn't have to die. Yet she did.

 

[shadetree44]

I wonder if the .40 cal weapon is one of the things they found in the mine with her and it just wasn't reported? I have a feeling there was more stuff down there that we don't know about. I think the .22 (or is it .223?) weapon was found but as far as I've read the .40 weapon wasn't found/reported (so far - just the casings). I've wondered about that as soon as we heard about the casings.

Good point. They surely haven't let out much information along the way so that could be very possible! Those casings came from somewhere.

 

[nikb]

I know. We've listed all the possibly motives for her being murdered the way she was, and yet each one we could discount as not being a good enough reason. Yet he murdered her anyway. So no matter how we didn't think anything was reason enough to kill her, obvious CL did. She did not have to die, none of the things that were going on was serious enough, bad enough to warrant CL killing her. She didn't have to die. Yet she did.

I know what you mean. So sad. I guess it's good that we can't/don't think like cold blooded killers, even when we try for the sake of a case.

 

[Dallen]

I would be very shocked if the gun wasn't found with her.

 

[nikb]

I would be very shocked if the gun wasn't found with her.

I would be surprised by that too. I have a feeling her phone was there as well. JMO because I haven't seen anything released about it, but I think he was so confident she'd never be found that he probably threw everything down there with her (then again he apparently held onto at least some shell casings and rebar so maybe not...).

 

[Seajay]

I know what you mean. So sad. I guess it's good that we can't/don't think like cold blooded killers, even when we try for the sake of a case.

That's the hard part about working these cases, is having to think like a cold blooded killer. For us, nothing is ever a good enough reason to kill someone but we have to remember, what makes sense to us, don't make sense to the criminal. They think differently then we do, they act differently then we do. That's why sometimes when someone posts, "that doesn't make any sense," I say it doesn't make any sense to normal people but our perps aren't normal, they don't think the way we do. What makes perfect sense to them, make no sense to us. IMO.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I'd like to believe that she still loved Jon and that they would have gotten past this if CL hadn't killed her. It sounded like he is a forgiving man. He forgave the affair when he first found out. Had she lived, he may have been willing to try it again, once CL was out of their lives for good and back in Alaska.

Yet she must have wanted something with CL if she seemed to be sure the baby was his and was willing to go out hunting with him to celebrate her pregnancy by him. She was looking for something, I'm not sure what. But I'm also not sure she was in love with him. IMO

Regarding JC being a forgiving man, yes, he is... see his statement in post #768. Regarding whether Erin was in love with CL, or just checking him out to eventually decide whether they had a future together or she and JC would work things out, her pregnancy was celebratory regardless of who the father was, and no one will probably know unless/until more evidence comes out at trial (hopefully). Supposedly LE took her communications with her friend in TN at face value, in which Erin indicated she was excited about her pregnancy, and CL was taking her out to "celebrate", but instead he murdered her that day. I sincerely hope his goose is cooked, and this won't be a long, drawn out trial with all kinds of motions to repress evidence and other tactics that end up leaving the victim and her loved ones in the dust.

 

[Seajay]

I'd be curious to know if they recovered the .40 caliber gun in the mine shaft as well. After finding Erin's body and arresting Chris, we aren't getting any information. It's all being saved now for trial. We won't know what was found in the mine besides her, or how she died. We are going to have to wait. We'll have plenty to discuss then.

 

[Seajay]

O/T: I can't even imagine. This so reminds me of Erin.

http://news.msn.com/world/frantic-search-as-nicaragua-mine-collapse-traps-20-1

 

[2Hope4]

Was the Uhaul ever unpacked or a search warrant for it's contents? I'm not a killer, so just thinking on a different brain wave *thank you!*.... why would you throw the gun away if you were confident the body would never be found? Guns aren't cheap.

Speaking of search warrants, any in Alaska?

 

[amm]

Was the Uhaul ever unpacked or a search warrant for it's contents? I'm not a killer, so just thinking on a different brain wave *thank you!*.... why would you throw the gun away if you were confident the body would never be found? Guns aren't cheap.

Speaking of search warrants, any in Alaska?

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1225468-1765-001.html

On page 3 of this, it lists "Uhaul truck with contents" as an item taken during the execution of the search warrant. So, I certainly hope they unpacked and searched the Uhaul!

 

[Voice4theSilent]

I wonder if the .40 cal weapon is one of the things they found in the mine with her and it just wasn't reported? I have a feeling there was more stuff down there that we don't know about. I think the .22 (or is it .223?) weapon was found but as far as I've read the .40 weapon wasn't found/reported (so far - just the casings). I've wondered about that as soon as we heard about the casings.

In the below linked article...."Sheriff McMahon said other evidence was found in the shaft along with Corwin's body, but declined to discuss what it was."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/body-found-arrest-made-in-case-of-missing-marine-wife-erin-corwin/

My guess is weapon and her cell phone (and camera if she had it with her), possibly more. Wouldn't it be awesome if her camera was down there and the last photos taken with it were photos of CL?

 

[Voice4theSilent]

Since NL is named in all other areas of the document, I think the "witness" must be someone else. Plus, I can't imagine why he would seriously think his wife, a stay at home mother, would know anything about the best way to dispose of a body. My first thought was that surely even the dumbest criminal would pose a question like that to someone they thought had at least some small chance of having the information they needed. Then I ran smack into the wall of who on earth would know that answer to that question? I can't begin to imagine. I just don't want to know that person. :hills:

I had to chuckle at this when I thought to myself....well, with our collective knowledge of crime scenes, evidence, DNA, pings, etc. we here on Websleuths might have had the information he needed. :giggle:

 

[nikb]

In the below linked article...."Sheriff McMahon said other evidence was found in the shaft along with Corwin's body, but declined to discuss what it was."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/body-found-arrest-made-in-case-of-missing-marine-wife-erin-corwin/

My guess is weapon and her cell phone (and camera if she had it with her), possibly more. Wouldn't it be awesome if her camera was down there and the last photos taken with it were photos of CL?

I don't know why but I hadn't even thought about the camera. It wasn't seized in the searches as far as we know, right? So where was it? That would be excellent news if it's with her and they can recover photos of them together on that day. Somehow I doubt CL even knows they can find date, time, location, etc. (depending on the camera settings). Oh man now I REALLY want to know what else they found. Patience... patience...

 

[nikb]

I had to chuckle at this when I thought to myself....well, with our collective knowledge of crime scenes, evidence, DNA, pings, etc. we here on Websleuths might have had the information he needed. :giggle:

I know, it freaks me out a little when I tell anyone about the stuff I learn here. I tell very few people about WS anyway, but if anyone ever looked up my search logs they'd be finding some crazy stuff. Heck not even WS related, a few weeks ago I was looking up whether there was a chemical reaction between Brake-Kleen and Vinegar because a guy who was helping my husband work on a car got really sick after using them one after another to clean something (for the curious, yes, it can create a pretty toxic gas - we were all lucky the guy didn't get any sicker than a bad cough for a few hours). I've lost count of the number of things I've looked up from cases on here that might raise eyebrows.

However I've gotta say, if someone casually asked me "so hey, do you know the best way to get rid of a body and get rid of any evidence?" I think I'd send them home to watch a marathon of Law & Order or something, and call the cops the second they left.

 

[maskedwoman]

I also wonder about the witness who got asked about the best way to get rid of a body. Did he just say "oh shucks, no clue" and go on about his day? Or did he offer some suggestions? Or did he call the cops? It would be interesting to know if he did and what they did about it. I mean, what kind of person would NOT be a little freaked by someone asking you that question? Unless you know they were a writer or Websleuth, that is.