GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #11

[SweetyBee]

If she was in a very early pregnancy, it could be nothing more than a few cells. If the deterioration of the body was great, there may not be anything to physically "see". At that point, it comes down to DNA analysis and toxicology, both of which take many weeks to come back.

 

[stayhomemommy]

If she was in a very early pregnancy, it could be nothing more than a few cells. If the deterioration of the body was great, there may not be anything to physically "see". At that point, it comes down to DNA analysis and toxicology, both of which take many weeks to come back.

Thanks for the info SweetyBee.

 

[stayhomemommy]

Just an FYI...

Yes, the autopsy is done but there is a very real possibility of the county not releasing the results of the exam pending toxicology and/or DNA analysis. Both of those items can take weeks to get the results back. Its is not the responsibility of the Sheriff's department to share every aspect of the case with the public. They have every right to withhold that information from the public (put under seal) if it will be detrimental to the district attorneys case. The only people that they are required to share with is the defense attorney and the court.

BBM. I have a question. Once they share the info with the defense, can the defense leak it to the media if they want to? Or does it stay under seal? Thanks in advance!

 

[SweetyBee]

BBM. I have a question. Once they share the info with the defense, can the defense leak it to the media if they want to? Or does it stay under seal? Thanks in advance!

Technically, the defense can say whatever they want, but they should be prepared for a sanction if the judge placed a gag order or the item was under seal. If the information is not under seal and there is no gag order, the defense can talk all they want.

*Edited to say that loose lips sink ships, meaning that the defense would be better off holding THEIR defense close to the vest and not give up their strategy in the court of public opinion.

 

[stayhomemommy]

Technically, the defense can say whatever they want, but they should be prepared for a sanction if the judge placed a gag order or the item was under seal. If the information is not under seal and there is no gag order, the defense can talk all they want.

Got it. Thanks

 

[Fascinated1]

-IMO, how ironic that he looks like Scott Peterson with his longer hair and beard.

 

[cluciano63]

I agree LE does not have to reveal anything at this stage about pregnancy, but they did say last week they were awaiting results to determine more charges. I don't know why they would delay, once they know (if she was) especially if that clinches it for them to seek the DP. Then the lawyer might not be as eager for a trial...

I hate to hear the defense grasp at "no motive" if she was not, or worse, make Erin out to be trying to "trap" CL. Though that would not exactly help his case either, if they indicate he knew. So they may now get far with that. They are more likely, Imo, to say he did not know, so he did not have a motive. Erin's friend can testify otherwise, (I hope) and would likely be more believable, no matter how much of a giant baby them have him resembling by trial time...

 

[Fascinated1]

 

[SweetyBee]

I agree LE does not have to reveal anything at this stage about pregnancy, but they did say last week they were awaiting results to determine more charges. I don't know why they would delay, once they know (if she was) especially if that clinches it for them to seek the DP. Then the lawyer might not be as eager for a trial...

IMHO, I am not exactly sure why it has not been released. It leads me to think that that the deterioration of the body may be a factor and that they will be relying on toxicology and/or DNA analysis to confirm the fact, hence the delay.

 

[Voice4theSilent]

LOL! They don't give you any hair products in jail (he probably had to use bar soap on his hair), just a small plastic comb, and they probably didn't trust him with a razor.

I hate to think of what could possibly be in his hair then to make it look like that! :freakedout:

(MOO They should have given him a razor blade.....)

 

[nikb]

I had to step away for awhile so many, many thanks to everyone who posted updates from the hearing. Just some general thoughts...

- We had talked/posted earlier about how fast his hair grows because of his very different appearance in a number of photos that were supposed to be pretty close together. I was doubting the dates on those earlier photos myself but after seeing today's court pics, wow yes his hair grows really fast!

- Did anyone really expect him to plead guilty? I know I didn't. Even when someone's guilty as sin they never seem to plead guilty at first.

- I so admire her husband for being there. That had to be hard (to say the least!). I'm glad to read he had friends with him too.

- I wonder where Nichole is these days? Not in court, apparently. Alaska? California? Hiding out somewhere?

- I have to actually force myself not to think of Erin's last moments. It's just too sickening. The only way I can remotely stand to think about it is if she was hit or shot in the head, knocked unconscious right away, and never had a clue what was happening. Unfortunately I don't think that's the case because of the comments in that last press conference and Jon's comments about her no longer being in pain. I was kind of hoping we'd hear more today - I fear my mind may be making even worse than it really was (then again, what if it really was as bad as my worst fears for her?).

- So incredibly thankful she was found and thankful to the group(s) that found her. It sounds like it was pretty darn likely that she might not be found at all.

 

[FlamingoLady]

-NL would, most likely, not be allowed in court because I'm sure she will be called as a witness.
-Re: Pregnancy, EC was, most likely, not far enough along to warrant a count of murder for her unborn child. The possibility of filing more charges that was spoken about could have related to filing charges against NL, as opposed to filing another charge of murder for the baby.
******All of this is just my opinion******

 

[BRRI]

He has that look of being "abandoned".........like "this isn't what was supposed to happen."


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He looks like he may need to invest in some soap on a string for shower time... :maddening::jail:anic::gasp::freakedout:

 

[stayhomemommy]

He looks like he may need to invest in some soap on a string for shower time... :maddening::jail:anic::gasp::freakedout:

:lol:

 

[nikb]

-NL would, most likely, not be allowed in court because I'm sure she will be called as a witness.
-Re: Pregnancy, EC was, most likely, not far enough along to warrant a count of murder for her unborn child. The possibility of filing more charges that was spoken about could have related to filing charges against NL, as opposed to filing another charge of murder for the baby.
******All of this is just my opinion******

FlamingoLady good point on NL not being in court. I would've thought they couldn't keep her out unless she was also charged with something at this point but I really don't know how that works if she's a possible witness. Explains why IM (horse farm woman) wasn't there as well. Not that she necessarily would have been, but she's been fairly supportive of the Lees so far so I thought she might be there too.

About the pregnancy I agree, I think she probably wasn't far enough along and/or they can't prove she was pregnant, or how far along. Hopefully the "lying in wait" is enough to get him the most severe allowable penalty.

 

[Mrs. Gladden]

I agree LE does not have to reveal anything at this stage about pregnancy, but they did say last week they were awaiting results to determine more charges. I don't know why they would delay, once they know (if she was) especially if that clinches it for them to seek the DP. Then the lawyer might not be as eager for a trial...

I hate to hear the defense grasp at "no motive" if she was not, or worse, make Erin out to be trying to "trap" CL. Though that would not exactly help his case either, if they indicate he knew. So they may now get far with that. They are more likely, Imo, to say he did not know, so he did not have a motive. Erin's friend can testify otherwise, (I hope) and would likely be more believable, no matter how much of a giant baby them have him resembling by trial time...

Agreed, Clu. I think we are all convinced that she was murdered because she was pregnant...and that CL believed he was the father. Not only is there concern no evidence (toxicology/DNA) of pregnancy is found, but there is always the possibility if pregnancy existed that DNA proves that JC is the father. Either case scenario is useful to the defense as "no motive".

 

[BRRI]

FlamingoLady good point on NL not being in court. I would've thought they couldn't keep her out unless she was also charged with something at this point but I really don't know how that works if she's a possible witness. Explains why IM (horse farm woman) wasn't there as well. Not that she necessarily would have been, but she's been fairly supportive of the Lees so far so I thought she might be there too.

About the pregnancy I agree, I think she probably wasn't far enough along and/or they can't prove she was pregnant, or how far along. Hopefully the "lying in wait" is enough to get him the most severe allowable penalty.

I'm thinking NL will not testify if she invokes spousal privilege

 

[nikb]

I'm thinking NL will not testify if she invokes spousal privilege

I was wondering about this too. Maybe she realizes it's really, really better if she stays away right now (for all kinds of possible reasons).

 

[jash]

She might even think he won't implicate her in the case (IF she was involved). But her statements to horse lady tell me she's VERY much involved. And guys who can't keep their "lies straight" tend to spill the beans when backed into a corner.

Nicole said that she was able to keep her story straight and that detectives wouldn't get information from her. I know I must sound like a broken record but which innocent person talks like that? An innocent person will want the detectives to know EVERYTHING so that the truth can set her husband free!

ITA! IMO officers are careful and deliberate with the words they use when seeking warrants. Moreover, they take notes during interviews (if not recordings). On page 11 of the document it says "Nicole told [IM] that without a body the detectives did not have a case against them and the detectives would never find the body." (emphasis mine) On page 12 it says "Lee and Nicole are being detained on the belief they were about to conceal and/or destroy evidence that may lead to the location where Erin is hidden".

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1225468-1765-001.html

It sounds like LE believed Nichole was involved (after the fact, at least). I'm surprised she wasn't arrested.

 

[nikb]

Agreed, Clu. I think we are all convinced that she was murdered because she was pregnant...and that CL believed he was the father. Not only is there concern no evidence (toxicology/DNA) of pregnancy is found, but there is always the possibility if pregnancy existed that DNA proves that JC is the father. Either case scenario is useful to the defense as "no motive".

I agree, that's always been my theory as the motive - otherwise why bother? Just move back to Alaska and be done with it.

Now I guess the question may be what did CL believe? Even if she wasn't pregnant, even if it wasn't his... what did CL believe to be true? ugh.