GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #11

[cluciano63]

The exact date Jon returned is documented on an older thread. It is the same day he was promoted to Corporal iirc. If my head wasn't about to hit my key board, I'd search.
We do have a few facts here and there but my brain can't hold onto even one anymore. Scary.

Do we have a date when she arrived in September? I can't see her going out too much before he was due back, jmo.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Maybe he had cheated before Erin and NL told him she would not accept another affair. Didn't Erin text to her friend that he feared losing access to his child?

CL's statement that he feared losing his child along with him deciding murder was the answer, makes little sense either. I mean, talk about making sure you're going to lose, not only your child, but your whole life.

If anyone is interested, I caught an episode of Dateline Saturday Night Mystery, S22/Ep52, (2013), last night. "Under the Desert Sky" took place in Nevada where Kody Patten and Toni Fratto were the perpetrators and Micaela Costanzo, the victim. Very brutal murder that involved a perceived love triangle.

 

[cluciano63]

CL's statement that he feared losing his child along with him deciding murder was the answer, makes little sense either. I mean, talk about making sure you're going to lose, not only your child, but your whole life.

If anyone is interested, I caught an episode of Dateline Saturday Night Mystery, S22/Ep52, (2013), last night. "Under the Desert Sky" took place in Nevada where Kody Patten and Toni Fratto were the perpetrators and Micaela Costanzo, the victim. Very brutal murder that involved a perceived love triangle.

Yes that case was much like Diana Zamora and her boyfriend killing Adrian Jones. Same motive, jealousy for an affair or relationship.

As far as CL...he did not think he would be caught, Imo.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Do we have a date when she arrived in September? I can't see her going out too much before he was due back, jmo.

I'm signing out now but might look tomorrow. Her mom told the story that Erin flew to CA herself before Jon returned from Japan. I recall her family was proud of her because she was bad at directions so they were concerned. I wondered too how a newbie military wife would handle signing into housing and all the rigmarole involved all by herself.

 

[nikb]

Maybe he had cheated before Erin and NL told him she would not accept another affair. Didn't Erin text to her friend that he feared losing access to his child?

This statement always makes me shake my head. Do people honestly still think the wife can deny the father access to the child in event of a divorce because she's pissed about an affair? Granted it happens but usually only if the Dad doesn't fight for rights. She can certainly make life difficult, badmouth the Dad, etc. but I don't know of any cases where the courts came back and said "you cheated, you don't get to see your kid anymore." Now "you murdered someone, you don't get to see your kids anymore" - that I can imagine (although haven't seen it myself).

 

[nikb]

<snipped for space> As far as CL...he did not think he would be caught, Imo.

I agree, that's the only thing that makes any sense at all (in a situation where nothing really does). He had to have thought that he'd get away with it, because if he was truly worried about losing his wife and kid surely murder was way worse than an affair.

 

[nikb]

I'm signing out now but might look tomorrow. Her mom told the story that Erin flew to CA herself before Jon returned from Japan. I recall her family was proud of her because she was bad at directions so they were concerned. I wondered too how a newbie military wife would handle signing into housing and all the rigmarole involved all by herself.

Yeah I remember this too, I thought it was around a month before he came home. I'll see if I can find it... might be tomorrow for me also.

I mostly remember it because the description made me laugh. I suck at directions too - it's been a joke in my family since forever. I'm fairly shy and reserved normally, too. But when it comes time to buckle down and get something done (i.e. all the hassle she must have gone through with moving, learning military life, etc.) I get this very "let's do this!" focus (once I find where I'm supposed to go, lol). I have no idea if this is how Erin was, but when her family described her I could "see" a little bit of myself.

Purely IMO but I can see her being in a weird place mentally/emotionally when she moved and for the few months after. I'm projecting here but I'm guessing she was missing being close to family and friends, lonely waiting for her husband to get there, excited to set up her/their new place, maybe feeling a little 'high' off of the confidence she gained when she did so much by herself, happy to have found a rescue place to indulge her love for horses, somewhat comfortable with her new job since it was a familiar place, etc. Then it was all followed very shortly by getting used to her husband being home, making new friends (tough for a shy/reserved girl!), miscarriage, affair with her new neighbor, marriage counseling (if true but I remember it reported in early stories), new pregnancy (maybe), and I'm sure more we don't know about. It's SO MUCH. It overwhelms me to think about and I'm twice her age! When JC mentioned her no longer being in pain I really wondered if it was emotional pain, or physical.

 

[Seajay]

I knew my husband 5 months when we got engaged. We were engaged a year to the day that we got married. Two weeks after we were married, he reported for duty with the U.S. Army for boot camp. He was gone for 4 months. Then came AIT. He was sent to another state for that. He found us a place to live, then he came back and got me and our wedding gifts. I have to tell you I was so terrified to leave my family/friends and state.

I felt like I didn't know him anymore because we had been apart for 5 months. I felt like I was driving off to another state with a stranger. It took about a week before I felt comfortable with him again and saw him as the man I married and why.

I've thought about that time several times during this case, wondering if Erin felt the same way when she went to 29 Palms, CA and set up her life and home with someone she felt was a stranger to her she had to get to know again.

We didn't live on post, so I only knew the guys my husband worked with who have wives. We'd get together with them, that's where I made my friends until we moved to another place where there were a lot of military families, then I met people not associated with my husband's job on post.

I feel in a way with her living on base, she was in a cocoon that was created by the military life. IMO, JMO, MOO.

 

[maskedwoman]

As far as CL...he did not think he would be caught, Imo.

I would guess most "regular" people who murder someone don't think they will get caught. I can't imagine why, but it's the only thing that makes sense. At least, it makes more sense to me that a normal person deciding they would be willing to spend life in prison, lose their home, job, family, etc., just to get one person out of their life. It's really is nuts, when you think about it.

But, as I was typing this, I wondered how many of those "regular" people who do make that choice are sociopaths? That would make more sense to me, since sociopaths seem to be motivated by what they want, rather than fear of consequences. We don't really know anything about CL's personality. He could be one for all we know.

 

[rose222]

I really don't find it hard to see why CL murdered Erin from HIS point of view. Scott Peterson didn't want a baby either but in his case it made even less sense. After all, it was a baby with his own wife. He could have gotten a simple divorce and moved on to be the next Don Juan of Modesto, California. He chose murder instead.

Back to Chris, I'm sticking with the simplest theory which is that he didn't want to deal with the emotional and financial aspects of having a child with his girlfriend. He wanted his wife and daughter on the one hand and a simple affair with his girlfriend on the other hand. The pregnancy news must have hit him like a ton of bricks...and the rest is history. The only thing he had going for him is the countless number of mines in that vast land surrounding 29 palms. Thankfully the mines 'betrayed' him.

 

[truthbeknown]

Correct me if I'm wrong, the defense attorney(s) should have state's evidence already??

http://courts.ca.gov/1069.htm Read After the Arraignment. The preliminary hearing is set for 9/16

 

[rollinginit]

Maybe we should be looking at the lees relationship to see why cl cheated on nl. No theories just another pov to see why he reacted the way he did.

I suspect people cheat on their spouses for many different reasons. Maybe he didn't expect to have feelings for Erin, or maybe he was just a player. It could also be that Erin was in an emotional phase of her life, and she was swept off her feet by him. They both seem to love horses, so IMO, maybe that's where they first bonded at. I suspect that Erin was much different than his wife- maybe softer spoken, different conversation, interesting, new, full of life, etc....and she paid attention to the "cowboy" that was good with horses and was friendly with all the ranch hands and kids. Erin probably didn't call him things like "stupid" and he may have actually felt like a man with her. IDK, this is just my opinion.

I know most people think that maybe Lee killed her because she was pregnant and he was scared of his wife finding out. Maybe it was the other way around. Maybe Erin went out there that day to END it with Lee. I know she told her friend she was going to celebrate and maybe she was. Maybe she made her decision about her life. She COULD have told Lee "you can still see the baby if it's yours, but I am going to stay with Jon and work it out" and Lee lost it.

 

[Dmacky]

I think the prosecution has to provide "discovery" to the defense before the preliminary hearing? If so, I would assume that CL and his attorney already know all the evidence. Does anyone know for sure?

 

[EmmaRose]

I suspect people cheat on their spouses for many different reasons. Maybe he didn't expect to have feelings for Erin, or maybe he was just a player. It could also be that Erin was in an emotional phase of her life, and she was swept off her feet by him. They both seem to love horses, so IMO, maybe that's where they first bonded at. I suspect that Erin was much different than his wife- maybe softer spoken, different conversation, interesting, new, full of life, etc....and she paid attention to the "cowboy" that was good with horses and was friendly with all the ranch hands and kids. Erin probab ly didn't call him things like "stupid" and he may have actually felt like a man with her. IDK, this is just my opinion.

I know most people think that maybe Lee killed her because she was pregnant and he was scared of his wife finding out. Maybe it was the other way around. Maybe Erin went out there that day to END it with Lee. I know she told her friend she was going to celebrate and maybe she was. Maybe she made her decision about her life. She COULD have told Lee "you can still see the baby if it's yours, but I am going to stay with Jon and work it out" and Lee lost it.

Respectfully, why then would he do a search for how to hide a body before their "celebration" outing?

 

[rollinginit]

Respectfully, why then would he do a search for how to hide a body before their "celebration" outing?

Maybe he knew she's was getting ready to end it.

I was just putting out another theory. It's a little different, but could be somewhat possible.

Personally, I think he just wanted to get rid of the nuisance Erin became to him when she got pregnant.

 

[rose222]

I think the prosecution has to provide "discovery" to the defense before the preliminary hearing? If so, I would assume that CL and his attorney already know all the evidence. Does anyone know for sure?

Dmacky, I found this article that might help answer your question. I don't have time to read it right now but will look at it later. Hope this helps.

http://jessestoutlaw.com/2013/04/you-have-a-right-to-discovery-before-your-preliminary-hearing/

 

[Dmacky]

Dmacky, I found this article that might help answer your question. I don't have time to read it right now but will look at it later. Hope this helps.

http://jessestoutlaw.com/2013/04/you-have-a-right-to-discovery-before-your-preliminary-hearing/

Thank you Rose !!! I remember you from the JA trial. Can't wait for that to FINALLY start back up (if it ever happens) ~ seems like she is still pulling all the strings, now that she's a attorney and all :giggle:

 

[la2cabo]

Respectfully, why then would he do a search for how to hide a body before their "celebration" outing?

That's exactly what I was thinking. I was almost buying rollinginit's theory. It actually sounded very good, until I remembered all the things that point to premeditation. So, now I'm back to square one and just as confused as ever.

 

[la2cabo]

Thank you Rose !!! I remember you from the JA trial. Can't wait for that to FINALLY start back up (if it ever happens) ~ seems like she is still pulling all the strings, now that she's a attorney and all :giggle:

Seriously? She became an attorney while sitting in jail? That's a hoot! Although, I'd probably do the same thing as it seems one would have a lot of time on their hands.

 

[heartgoesout]

http://courts.ca.gov/1069.htm Read After the Arraignment. The preliminary hearing is set for 9/16

Although I suspect off the record conversations have been had between the State and the Defense attorney, if I understand correctly, legally the Defense Attorney nor CL has not been presented with all the evidence. Or what they have on any other POI? I wonder if these additional arrests are ever going to happen? NL is very much on my radar.