GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #6

[azure]

I hope we get some new info, because speculation here is getting a bit silly. We have nothing whatsoever to indicate that JC is anything more than a victim, a victim of the affair and a victim of whatever horrible thing has happened to his wife. We were told not to sleuth him in the beginning, and IMO there is even less reason to do so now.

 

[rollinginit]

I cant speak for anyone else but to me it gets very complex for JC to be involved.

As far as we know the Corwins only have one vehicle. Imo, there is base footage at the gate showing Erin was alone when she left the base.

So that would mean somehow that JC would have to borrow a vehicle from someone. Also no one has mentioned seeing JC that day off base. If a person did let him borrow his vehicle they are not going to go down for Jon. They wouldn't want to be charged as an accessory so they of course would tell LE that they provided him with a vehicle. The vehicle and Jon would also be on footage leaving the base.

I believe the base footage shows Jon never leaving the base that day. I have never picked up any suspicion that LE suspects her husband. I think he told them he never left the base that day and they have been able to verify that.

They seemed to be very honed in on the Lees very early on. Searching their vehicle, searching their base apartment, and then going out and serving a warrant at the horse ranch. Even though they were neighbors it is highly unusual that a SW is done of a neighbor's vehicle and dwelling. They had to have probable cause to do these things and not just because they lived by the Corwins.

Then I take into consideration everything in the affidavit told by the ranch owner who gave a statement to LE about what NL said. None of NL words make her look like an innocent person. It makes her look like she has person knowledge of not only what happened to Erin but where her remains are.

Yes, I would think Jon really had to love Erin a lot to forgive her for the affair. It shows me he is a much more peaceful guy willing to work things out with the wife he loves.

I really think this case is just like many other cases we have seen before and in several cases the murderer was in a branch of the military. They murdered the woman they were having an affair with when that woman became pregnant with their child. Most of these men were married just like CL and had children of their own.

Erin would have to tell Jon she was pregnant even if she knew the child wasn't his. She would probably begin to have morning sickness. If she thought she may have become pregnant all she had to do is make sure she had sex with her husband. Unfortunately, in the military, countless men have thought they were the father of the child their spouse carried even though it wasn't true. Men, Jon's age are very naïve about pregnancies anyway. They just believe what their wives tell them, imo.

Imo, Jon has become a victim too. He has to come to grips that the wife he loved is most likely deceased and murdered by the man she carried on the affair with. And he knows how people are gossiping on base about the affair his wife had.

But even though he has had this heavy burden to carry at such a young age... I think he would like nothing more than them to find Erin alive.

I just don't believe in coincidences when it comes to criminal cases. Erin's best friend said Erin told her she was meeting with CL that day and Erin hasn't been heard of since.

Yes, I see what you are saying. But as far as I know, some of the stuff you are saying about JC is just "assumed" also. I haven't heard anything that says the Corwin's only had one car- for sure. Who knows, it's just as likely they also had a car. Or he could have had a gf and borrowed her car.
I haven't heard anything about the base cameras showing that Jon never left the base that day.

Yes, it does seem like the LE focused in on CL early. Then they let him go. Then they announced he is not a POI. I haven't read any other official documents that show in details other witnesses they've talked to, other places they've searched, other items they've tested, and other witnesses that may have made "iffy" statements. I haven't read about the any of the Corwin's stuff that was searched or any of the interviews that were done with the husband or any other friends that lived around them. Actually, I don't remember hearing a whole lot from JC at all.

As far as NL's statement go- Yeah. I don't put that much stock in it really. She probably disliked EC a lot. She very well could just be a bitter wife that could care less what happened to EC. IMO.

You're right about this case being very much like other cases. Unfortunately, it's usually the person closest to them.

Again, I understand 100% where you are coming from. I am not trying to argue or have a different opinion just to ruffle feathers. I have followed so many cases, and so many times I've seen everybody convinced of one thing- and they are absolutely heartbroken to find out different. You are probably about 99.5 % right on who hurt EC. From what we all know so far, that is the direction it looks like it is going. It's that .5% that worries me. The unknowns.

BTW- I do NOT know any of these people involved in this story at all.

As always, just my opinion.

 

[rollinginit]

I hope we get some new info, because speculation here is getting a bit silly. We have nothing whatsoever to indicate that JC is anything more than a victim, a victim of the affair and a victim of whatever horrible thing has happened to his wife. We were told not to sleuth him in the beginning, and IMO there is even less reason to do so now.

I haven't tried to sleuth anybody...and if I made a mistake, I apologize.
I'm just trying to encourage people not to tar and feather others yet.

IMO, it's always good to keep an open mind.

 

[NYC Girl]

Calling someone else's speculation silly only closes communication and hurts feelings. We don't know WHAT happened.

 

[escape2sc]

From my link above:

A spokesman for the San Bernardino County District Attorney's Office confirmed Wednesday that prosecutors have received the case from the sheriff's department. The case is pending review for possible prosecution.

This statement refers to the charges against CL for the " destructive device " ?

 

[77DarkHorse7]

LOL! :giggle: That, and too many carbs is damaging over the long run!

I never heard of a potato gun either. The things we learn on WS!

Don't forget the TUBERculosis. :tantrum: My uncle had one of those guns, it's actually more of a cannon.

 

[escape2sc]

Has anyone seen the statement made by the Marine Corps on behalf of Cpl. Corwin ?


"On Wednesday, the Marine Corps issued a statement on behalf of Cpl. Corwin, requesting that the media and the public respect his privacy, but adding that the he "appreciates the support he has received from the military and civilian communities."

http://www.desertsun.com/story/news...074147/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[HauntsForHope]

Looks to me like a classic case of eliminate the 'other woman'.

This couple got rid of what would have been a lifelong problem. They planned, executed and disposed of her remains because of the pregnancy. I get a sense the wife demanded he get rid of her in order to keep his family. It sounds as though she wears the pants in that house. He invited the victim for a 'special day' of 'hunting' in the Joshua Tree Park where she was the prey.

Because her phone was shut off shortly after she was picked up, I think he murdered and disposed of her right away in order to create an alibi. The wife's comment that the body will not be found tells me they planned a location in advance. It will be an out of the way place they know. It's possible that they dug a grave in advance, so it would be helpful to look at where they were in the days before. Hunting/fishing areas, bodies of water, private property like farmland... I don't think she is in Joshua Park.

I hope they find her remains or at least enough evidence to bring charges. She made some bad choices but she didn't deserve to be led like a lamb to the slaughter.

This is entirely 'Just My Opinion'.


http://www.desertsun.com/story/news...7/23/erin-corwin-family-reward-fund/13074147/

 

[77DarkHorse7]

Unless one of these two Lees breaks, I don't think LE is going to find Erin. I do hope so though. I was hoping they would get played against each other, so one of them would crack. I don't know that they were even interrogated apart from each other. Or if they were interrogated at all. Were they just talked with? I've seen snips of what he said, and what she said, but not enough to know how it really went. The Moorers in Heather Elvis' case have been a mystery to me and I felt sure one of them would turn on the other. Nope.

Hee hee, 'When the Leevee breaks' do do do duh doo. -Zeppelin

 

[jojo87]

I personally don't see JC as anything more than a victim here but it's best to keep an open mind and I think it's interesting to hear others perspective. Me I am thinking it's CL to blame possibly with help from NL but I'm wondering if anyone is considering it could be a stranger?

 

[cluciano63]

The problem with the passing of time is losing evidence in the event that Erin's body is found. But it is likely already basically too late and unless they confess, she is not likely to be found anyway, Imo. Also, memories of witnesses are less sharp, people move or die, etc...so speedy arrests can be a good thing if there is enough to get started with charges, Imo.

 

[LadyLems]

I said that early on or someone else she knew whom she felt safe enough to go with. Not fact just thought here.

I personally don't see JC as anything more than a victim here but it's best to keep an open mind and I think it's interesting to hear others perspective. Me I am thinking it's CL to blame possibly with help from NL but I'm wondering if anyone is considering it could be a stranger?

 

[nursebeeme]

hello folks: speculation about family members (JC namely) is off limits as it has been from the start. Unless a family member is named a suspect or person of interest they are considered victims. Just a friendly reminder.

 

[HauntsForHope]

I was just reading up on Joshua Tree and Hunting. Chime in if you have any park/hunting info...

So far I found that;
There is no hunting allowed in Joshua Tree Park. Hunting is done 2 hours away in the Mojave National Preserve.
The victim told her friend she was going hunting '2 hours away'.
As far as I can tell, the current hunting season is rabbit. ("The rabbit done died..." -aerosmith)


http://www.nps.gov/moja/planyourvisit/hunting.htm
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Twe...a6d6ddf9ae18a7a!2m2!1d-115.473355!2d35.010991

sleuthing the maps is difficult because large areas are blacked out for the US Marine Base. Twentynine Palms is where they go for training.

 

[Irisha]

I hope we get some new info, because speculation here is getting a bit silly. We have nothing whatsoever to indicate that JC is anything more than a victim, a victim of the affair and a victim of whatever horrible thing has happened to his wife. We were told not to sleuth him in the beginning, and IMO there is even less reason to do so now.

I don't believe anyone's opinions are silly. I also think anyone can sleuth anyone in the privacy of their home, they just can't post what they find YET.JMO

ETA.. I do not believe JC is involved.

 

[maskedwoman]

Further thought on the missing 45 yet 45 shell casings inside the car: if those shell casings are inside that could mean the weapon was fired from inside the vehicle and I hope they are testing for that. I do not see any sort of perp going out to pick up shell casings and putting them back inside the car.... Unless this guy keeps his spent shells in a mason jar for posterity purposes, I am sure we will hear more about this at a later date :twocents: and this is my opinion only. As for any other cars involved or tracks... the initial car find warrant was limited to that but frankly we don't know what else is going on so clearly there could well be more that we do not know about to include warrants that have been sealed after the latest documents published by cbs8 that were part of the public record.

:moo:

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I have been really puzzling over the empty .40 caliber cases.

If CL reloads ammo, it would be quite normal to have spent shell casings around. My husband reloads ammunition and we always police our brass since that's the point of reloading. Reloading requires certain equipment and it would be interesting to know if LE found any of that equipment during the search. But, dies are not cheap, so people don't normally buy them for a caliber gun they don't own. If someone else owns the .40 and the shells were there innocently, it should have been easy put that issue to rest. Since it wasn't, I'm guessing they have reason to believe CL owns a .40 and has ditched it.

.40's come as both revolvers and automatics. Revolvers mostly hold 5 bullets and automatics hold 10 rounds. Since they found ten, either a revolver was emptied twice or an automatic was emptied once. A .40 makes a big, nasty hole. You don't need ten of those to kill someone, unless he's a really crappy shot (doubtful). Maybe they were target shooting and he suddenly turned to her and put the last one or two in her. That is pretty cold to think about for sure, but certainly possible.

There was some earlier discussion about the empty casings being in the car because the gun was possibly fired in or from the car. That's possible, but a little awkward. I sat in the car last night when I got home, and sort of acted that out. There are two options, no matter who is driving. Erin would have to get out of the car and walk around to his side, and he fires out his window/door. If he's firing through the driver's window/door, the bullets would eject all over the dash. If he's firing out the passenger side window/door, the bullets would eject toward the back of the vehicle.

That caliber gun would be very loud inside the vehicle. Also, most .40's have a pretty big kick. You would need to re-center on the target after each shot. I'm sure he's used to that but, assuming she runs or falls, it would be very awkward from inside the car, twisted to the side. And I don't see someone trained to use weapons sitting in the car, where all that noise is trapped in there with him, and shooting that many times. His ears would be ringing for hours, at least. It's much more logical to be outside the car and fire once or twice. Less noise to carry across the desert and possibly draw attention, and it's more efficient.

All of this to say, I'm struggling to come up with a straightforward reason for those shells to be in the car. If the gun is already with her body or ditched somewhere, where they think she will never be found, why take the time to gather those empty shells and put them in the vehicle? Why not just leave the empty shells with her body?

I hope those shells are not a red herring.

 

[rosiebean]

I cant speak for anyone else but to me it gets very complex for JC to be involved.

As far as we know the Corwins only have one vehicle. Imo, there is base footage at the gate showing Erin was alone when she left the base.

So that would mean somehow that JC would have to borrow a vehicle from someone. Also no one has mentioned seeing JC that day off base. If a person did let him borrow his vehicle they are not going to go down for Jon. They wouldn't want to be charged as an accessory so they of course would tell LE that they provided him with a vehicle. The vehicle and Jon would also be on footage leaving the base.

I believe the base footage shows Jon never leaving the base that day. I have never picked up any suspicion that LE suspects her husband. I think he told them he never left the base that day and they have been able to verify that.

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I just don't believe in coincidences when it comes to criminal cases. Erin's best friend said Erin told her she was meeting with CL that day and Erin hasn't been heard from since.

I totally agree. It is very easy and not at all complicated for me to believe that CL was involved given his statements to LE along with Erin's statements to her husband, mother, and friend in TN.

First, Erin's statement to her husband that she was going to JTNP combined with the times she was expected to be gone (from 7 to 1600 hours) perfectly fit CL's stated alibi *and* timeline for that day (it's really amazing bad luck for him that he left at approximately 7:30 and arrived back home at 1600 hours if he wasn't involved). And, IIRC, CL stated that he was in JTNP on Saturday hunting.

Second, her text(s) (I'm assuming there were back and forth texts due to the nature of text convos) to her friend in TN about how she was going hunting with CL that Saturday fit perfectly with CL's stated activities on Saturday. (Again, it's really amazing bad luck for him if he wasn't involved that Erin told her friend she was going hunting with him on Saturday and then he happened to go hunting.)

Third, Erin's mother indicated in an article that her daughter mentioned going to JTNP that Saturday during their conversation the day/night before.

It seems pretty obvious IMO that Erin said she was going to the park to scout locations for photos/etc. as a cover story because she was meeting CL for a day out.

I also think it's pretty obvious (again IMO) that Erin and CL were having an affair. She told her friend in TN about it. Others on base knew about it (and I don't just think it was backbiting gossip, meaning, people were making up the story out of whole cloth). CL lied about the relationship to LE, which further makes him look as though he has something to cover up.

I don't believe in coincidences either, and I find it very simple to believe that CL and Erin were having an affair, that CL told Erin he would take her out hunting for a day, that Erin concocted the JTNP scouting trip as a cover to go hunting with CL, that Erin was telling her friend about the affair and hunting trip (probably unbeknownst to CL, so the leak about the texts may have been a bit of a surprise to him), and that the two met up off base that Saturday morning...and Erin hasn't, as you said, been heard from since.

 

[HauntsForHope]

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This is a favorite spot in the area for Jeeps to go off roading....
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-desert-marines-20140509-story.html


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twentynine_Palms,_California

 

[HauntsForHope]

"Gun etiquette is something that is most often not taught but everyone who is around guns should know.

Range Etiquette

1. Always pick up your spent cases and/or shells when you&#8217;re done shooting."


http://www.magtechammunition.com/sitepages/pid81.php

 

[JeannaT]

Has anyone seen the statement made by the Marine Corps on behalf of Cpl. Corwin ?


"On Wednesday, the Marine Corps issued a statement on behalf of Cpl. Corwin, requesting that the media and the public respect his privacy, but adding that the he "appreciates the support he has received from the military and civilian communities."

http://www.desertsun.com/story/news...074147/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

The damage done to this Jonathan by Christopher Lee is unfathomable, and in prior eras would be grounds for justifiable homicide.