GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #6

[maskedwoman]

Nicole made statements to Isabella about the detectives having missed something at their residence when it was searched because the detectives did not search the garage.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1225468-1765-001.html

There was no garage.

Maybe they called the shed the garage? Sarcasm maybe?

 

[maskedwoman]

Now I see that the pdf file (initial report of investigation) had that Erin was three weeks pregnant. Gees.
Who talks about it at that stage? Weird.
Girls who aren't married and fearful they may be pregnant!

Or ladies who are married and should not be pregnant, but fear they are.

 

[Nora Charles]

Merced is Northern CA, near Stockton, way more than 2 hours away, not likely.

I agree...and this body has now been identified anyway. (So has the one in La Habra - another unlikely location - that people were talking about a few days ago.)

 

[Woe.be.gone]

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I have been really puzzling over the empty .40 caliber cases.

If CL reloads ammo, it would be quite normal to have spent shell casings around. My husband reloads ammunition and we always police our brass since that's the point of reloading. Reloading requires certain equipment and it would be interesting to know if LE found any of that equipment during the search. But, dies are not cheap, so people don't normally buy them for a caliber gun they don't own. If someone else owns the .40 and the shells were there innocently, it should have been easy put that issue to rest. Since it wasn't, I'm guessing they have reason to believe CL owns a .40 and has ditched it.

.40's come as both revolvers and automatics. Revolvers mostly hold 5 bullets and automatics hold 10 rounds. Since they found ten, either a revolver was emptied twice or an automatic was emptied once. A .40 makes a big, nasty hole. You don't need ten of those to kill someone, unless he's a really crappy shot (doubtful). Maybe they were target shooting and he suddenly turned to her and put the last one or two in her. That is pretty cold to think about for sure, but certainly possible.

There was some earlier discussion about the empty casings being in the car because the gun was possibly fired in or from the car. That's possible, but a little awkward. I sat in the car last night when I got home, and sort of acted that out. There are two options, no matter who is driving. Erin would have to get out of the car and walk around to his side, and he fires out his window/door. If he's firing through the driver's window/door, the bullets would eject all over the dash. If he's firing out the passenger side window/door, the bullets would eject toward the back of the vehicle.

That caliber gun would be very loud inside the vehicle. Also, most .40's have a pretty big kick. You would need to re-center on the target after each shot. I'm sure he's used to that but, assuming she runs or falls, it would be very awkward from inside the car, twisted to the side. And I don't see someone trained to use weapons sitting in the car, where all that noise is trapped in there with him, and shooting that many times. His ears would be ringing for hours, at least. It's much more logical to be outside the car and fire once or twice. Less noise to carry across the desert and possibly draw attention, and it's more efficient.

All of this to say, I'm struggling to come up with a straightforward reason for those shells to be in the car. If the gun is already with her body or ditched somewhere, where they think she will never be found, why take the time to gather those empty shells and put them in the vehicle? Why not just leave the empty shells with her body?

I hope those shells are not a red herring.

You're making such a good point. Why would he ditch the gun but keep/gather the spent shells? That makes absolutely no sense at all. But if he owns a .40 caliber firearm, why wasn't it in the closet where Nicole told detectives they kept the rifle and other firearms (other firearms weren't specified). Possibly the gun was moved over to the ranch with the rifle and LE found the .40 caliber later during the search after they obtained the warrant. Because, there's a line in the probability cause statement that reads the .40 firearm wasn't located in previous searches.

Is there a document that lists, in detail, everything LE took from the ranch after the search warrant was obtained. LE could have found the gun among all the contents within the U haul trailer.

 

[kodi]

Why would she be trying to get pregnant?

Why wouldn't she?

I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm just trying to make a point.

We do not know what their plans were or weren't. I'm not making assumptions one way or the other. JMO.

 

[Nora Charles]

This will tickle me all evening. Mr Ed lol.

I am having trouble getting it straight what is actual fact and what we believe to be fact. For example Erin told her friend she was going to spend the day with CL. Did she mention they were going hunting? I think the fact that CL said he was going hunting and told LE he had been hunting and possibly invited others (is it a fact he invited others or just a rumour) has got mixed up with what Erin told her friend, in my mind anyway.
Where does the camping come into it. CL told LE that he went camping and hunting but also said he returned to base at 1600.
Confused much? I'm lost before we even start with guns.

This is still a rumor at this point as no link has been provided. We would love to see one if anyone out there has a link to confirm this really happened???

 

[jojo87]

Or ladies who are married and should not be pregnant, but fear they are.

Or ladies who are trying desperately to get pregnant and are super excited about it.
I had difficulty getting pregnant and when it finally happened I took the test at 3 weeks and could tell you how many DAYS along I was.
Not saying this is the case here though.

 

[maskedwoman]

Also if Erin was trying for a baby and tracking ovulation you can take a test 21 days after the date you think you may have conceived and get a positive result. So she may well have known at 3 weeks.

EPT states their test is 99% accurate from the first day of your expected period. So, if she was one of those who are very very regular, she could have gotten a positive test result when only a few weeks pregnant. However, if she was only three weeks pregnant on the day she vanished, I don't see how she could have known about the baby on Father's Day, two weeks before. It doesn't even work to think he meant to say that she told him she was pregnant 3 weeks earlier, because Father Day was only two weeks before she vanished - assuming the whole Father's Day thing is correct.

Maybe JC misspoke from being distracted and upset?

 

[phantomthought]

Now I see that the pdf file (initial report of investigation) had that Erin was three weeks pregnant. Gees.
Who talks about it at that stage? Weird.
Girls who aren't married and fearful they may be pregnant!

Maybe in an attempt to stop CL from getting in his Uhaul and heading to Alaska.

 

[77DarkHorse7]

Merced is Northern CA, near Stockton, way more than 2 hours away, not likely.

Well he didn't have to dispose the body at the scene of the crime, he could have transported her elsewhere. He had almost a 24hr window to deal with.

 

[77DarkHorse7]

Maybe in an attempt to stop CL from getting in his Uhaul and heading to Alaska.

Funny thing about that U-Haul, it had Arizona Plates.

NVM

 

[LinasK]

Well he didn't have to dispose the body at the scene of the crime, he could have transported her elsewhere. He had almost a 24hr window to deal with.

We're talking a distance of over 400 miles one way. That's over 6 hour drive. 381 miles and 5 hours 55 minutes to be exact according to Google Maps.

 

[maskedwoman]

Well he didn't have to dispose the body at the scene of the crime, he could have transported her elsewhere. He had almost a 24hr window to deal with.

If CL shot her, I tend to think he would not try to move the body to another location. Why introduce blood and other forensic evidence to your vehicle if you don't have to? Much more straightforward to kill someone where you plan to leave the body, assuming whatever happened was premeditated. But again, not sure how smart these two are.

 

[Nora Charles]

Funny thing about that U-Haul, it had Arizona Plates.

NVM

If you look at any U-Haul location, they have trucks from all over the country.

 

[moonbeams]

Funny thing about that U-Haul, it had Arizona Plates.

NVM

Not really an issue. It was probably one dropped off at a local U-Haul place that originated in AZ. They don't send the one way rental trucks back to where they originated. They just re-rent them. Now the AK U-Haul will rent out the truck that has AZ plates.

 

[Nora Charles]

Well he didn't have to dispose the body at the scene of the crime, he could have transported her elsewhere. He had almost a 24hr window to deal with.

Nothing has been verified as to how long he had. I wish LE or MSM would provide proof of CL's whereabouts that day and the next, but all we have (as fact) is his "statement" that he returned late 7/28. We don't know if that's been proven or not based on LE/MSM. Wish we knew!!

 

[Bravo]

From what I understand home pregnancy tests have come a long way with timing and accuracy. Perhaps Erin knew early yet wasn't sure as she had not been to the Doc's yet. Forgive me if it has been discussed. Way behind here. Link speaks to waiting a week after a missed period for best results. Heck with my last I thought I was about 6 weeks along. Turned out I was 4 months LOL
http://www.webmd.com/baby/guide/pregnancy-tests

 

[LinasK]

If CL shot her, I tend to think he would not try to move the body to another location. Why introduce blood and other forensic evidence to your vehicle if you don't have to? Much more straightforward to kill someone where you plan to leave the body, assuming whatever happened was premeditated. But again, not sure how smart these two are.

And if you're going to dispose of a body, why drive it 6 hours away while it's decomposing when there are so many closer places to choose from?

 

[rosiebean]

This will tickle me all evening. Mr Ed lol.

I am having trouble getting it straight what is actual fact and what we believe to be fact. For example Erin told her friend she was going to spend the day with CL. Did she mention they were going hunting? I think the fact that CL said he was going hunting and told LE he had been hunting and possibly invited others (is it a fact he invited others or just a rumour) has got mixed up with what Erin told her friend, in my mind anyway.
Where does the camping come into it. CL told LE that he went camping and hunting but also said he returned to base at 1600.
Confused much? I'm lost before we even start with guns.

In the probable cause section of the leaked search warrant, in the section where it discusses Erin's friend in TN and what she was told, it says that CL told Erin he was taking her hunting. I'm on my phone, or I'd link to a pdf of the warrant, but it is in context of what Erin told her friend...to paraphrase that section, CL was taking her on a surprise day trip, CL told Erin they were going about 2 hours away to an undisclosed location, CL told Erin they were going hunting.

 

[Meemaw12]

In the probable cause section of the leaked search warrant, in the section where it discusses Erin's friend in TN and what she was told, it says that CL told Erin he was taking her hunting. I'm on my phone, or I'd link to a pdf of the warrant, but it is in context of what Erin told her friend...to paraphrase that section, CL was taking her on a surprise day trip, CL told Erin they were going about 2 hours away to an undisclosed location, CL told Erin they were going hunting.

Trenthan knew Erin and Lee were going on a day trip together on 062.814, for a celebration of Erin's pregnancy. Trenthan forwarded text messages from Erin to support these claims. Lee told Erin they were going, to have a special day together and he would be taking Erin to an undisclosed. location, approximately two hours from 29 Palms. Lee told Erin he was going to take her hunting.

Lee stated he went hunting at Joshua Tree National Park on 062814 at approximately 0730 hours. Lee said he was not with Erin on 062814 or 062914. He returned home on 062814 at approximately 1600 hours.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1225468-1765-001.html