GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #8

[Treelights]

Josh Powell comes to mind here. What if she was killed during the night ... hidden in vehicle, driven to a location off base. Story made up about her going out the next morning and not seen again ........... JMO and rambling thoughts!

In my thinking Erin drove herself off base.
I suppose she could have been knocked out by drugs or force then taken from base, but I would think there would be video of a female(Erin) driving her car
off base. Maybe the video only captured the car and not the driver, though? Or perhaps it caught a glimpse of the driver, but perhaps it's uncertain who the driver is.
IMOO.

 

[smc1225]

In my thinking Erin drove herself off base.
I suppose she could have been knocked out by drugs or force then taken from base, but I would think there would be video of a female(Erin) driving her car
off base. Maybe the video only captured the car and not the driver, though? Or perhaps it caught a glimpse of the driver, but perhaps it's uncertain who the driver is.
IMOO.

I agree. I think based on all the searching they have done, they have her leaving the base. They were searching prior to her car being found. When she was reported missing on Sunday, they were going to search JTNP and I would think that LE would have requested the tapes from the base. The base has said that all tapes have been turned over to LE from all entrances and exits.

 

[missgulfsouth]

Was she ever knowingly seen by anyone other than her husband that morning? On video? Witness who knows for sure it was her?

I have just come from the Jennifer Huston case, there were witnesses who claimed to see her on a ferry to San Juan islands ... they said it was her vehicle and everything. But she was deceased by that time. Witnesses are not always right.

 

[Snoop Sister]

It also helps SOLVE cases. It's imperitive that most states let the sun shine on all documents related to a case. It helps to job peoples memories, and the court of public opinion has been here, since the dawn of time. We may not have villages any longer but we do still care, as a public body. And, the info should be made public. I don't feel so badly for her husband because we dont know him. We only know the facts that LE has come fwd with. Some states wont even do that, but in this case, having it all out on the table is the best thing possible for finding Erin. And I do hope our theories are wrong, I hope she is alive, I hope she ran away...I always want that sliver of hope...but in this case I fear for her demise, I fear he took her "out" that morning due to a threat to his marriage. There is Means Motive and Oppt. I think it's safe to say No One has been ruled out. Not really at this early stage.

I totally agree.... Means, motive and opportunity!

 

[CrackThatCase]

Was she ever knowingly seen by anyone other than her husband that morning? On video? Witness who knows for sure it was her?

I have just come from the Jennifer Huston case, there were witnesses who claimed to see her on a ferry to San Juan islands ... the said it was her vehicle and everything. But she was deceased by that time. Witnesses are not always right.

This case is being kept extremely close to the chest by LE and the family. Military personnel (most likely the most credible witnesses regarding ECs coming and going) would have been advised not to speak either.

 

[missgulfsouth]

I guess I don't understand why the boyfriend would be any more of a suspect (or have a greater motive) than the husband here, especially being that her husband was the last known to have seen her. Her leaving that morning is his story. But did she really? Questions linger and you know what they say about inquiring minds ............ JMO

 

[CrackThatCase]

I guess I don't understand why the boyfriend would be any more of a suspect (or have a greater motive) than the husband here, especially being that her husband was the last known to have seen her. Her leaving that morning is his story. But sis she really? Questions linger and you know what they say about inquiring minds ............ JMO

Completely agree! The only reason I am leaning towards her leaving base is due to the fact that LE seem to have a reason to search where they are searching and have spent quite a lot of time and effort in doing so. The military base would most definitely have cameras at all entrances and exits from my 12 year experience as a military spouse. Any evidence involving the military and it's bases would definitely not be easily shared with the public.

Also, I think the majority of us are leaning towards CL and NL as more of a POI than the actual husband due to the one and only search warrant affidavit being leaked and the information that was found in it. LE found an excuse to arrest CL (the whole potato gun discovery) and therefore are able to ensure his return next month to meet a court date. The other search warrants in this case are completely sealed - so who knows if there is any indication pointing towards the husband? This case is so very difficult with what we have been given.

 

[missgulfsouth]

Completely agree! The only reason I am leaning towards her leaving base is due to the fact that LE seem to have a reason to search where they are searching and have spent quite a lot of time and effort in doing so. The military base would most definitely have cameras at all entrances and exits from my 12 year experience as a military spouse. Any evidence involving the military and it's bases would definitely not be easily shared with the public.

Also, I think the majority of us are leaning towards CL and NL as more of a POI than the actual husband due to the one and only search warrant affidavit being leaked and the information that was found in it. LE found an excuse to arrest CL (the whole potato gun discovery) and therefore are able to ensure his return next month to meet a court date. The other search warrants in this case are completely sealed - so who knows if there is any indication pointing towards the husband? This case is so very difficult with what we have been given.

I agree that the information is very sketchy. His arrest was indicative that they are really looking at him. But I do know that the location of LE searches don't really say a lot, and they are looking for a needle in a haystack out there. I understand that there are routes in and out with no security cameras? Don't you WISH websleuthers were privy to insider information? I do! Drives me crazy!

 

[CrackThatCase]

I agree that the information is very sketchy. His arrest was indicative that they are really looking at him. But I do know that the location of LE searches don't really say a lot, and they are looking for a needle in a haystack out there. I understand that there are routes in and out with no security cameras? Don't you WISH websleuthers were privy to insider information? I do! Drives me crazy!

I believe the routes in and out without cameras relates to JTNP and not the base. I would find it extremely odd and dangerous to National Intelligence/Security for a base to not have a view of every single angle on camera. Security is of utmost importance, especially in this day and age.

 

[RSC]

Only LE knows that. However, they were pretty aggressive in their statement of probable cause, saying "sometime after Erin left with Lee." I would be surprised if they said this without some clear indication, either from base videos, from text messages with the best friend (perhaps Erin texted when he was driving up to meet her, who knows), perhaps some pictures of the two of them were found on the digital camera that was taken.

Was she ever knowingly seen by anyone other than her husband that morning? On video? Witness who knows for sure it was her?

I have just come from the Jennifer Huston case, there were witnesses who claimed to see her on a ferry to San Juan islands ... they said it was her vehicle and everything. But she was deceased by that time. Witnesses are not always right.

 

[RSC]

I agree. I think LE absolutely knows with certainty who drove Erin's car off base that day. If it was someone other than Erin, I believe an arrest would have already been made. I think she drove off alone.

I believe the routes in and out without cameras relates to JTNP and not the base. I would find it extremely odd and dangerous to National Intelligence for a base to not have a view of every single angle on camera. Security is of utmost importance, especially in this day and age.

 

[RSC]

Because:
1. She texted a friend saying she was meeting CL
2. CL claimed to barely know her, despite above information
3. LE likely has videos that confirm EC left base, but JC didn't.

I think Occam's razor is key here. I think LE is just waiting for more evidence and a body, knowing that they have at least until CL comes back this fall for his felony charge. And/or they are still trying to figure out NL's involvement.

I guess I don't understand why the boyfriend would be any more of a suspect (or have a greater motive) than the husband here, especially being that her husband was the last known to have seen her. Her leaving that morning is his story. But did she really? Questions linger and you know what they say about inquiring minds ............ JMO

 

[CrackThatCase]

Because:
1. She texted a friend saying she was meeting CL
2. CL claimed to barely know her, despite above information
3. LE likely has videos that confirm EC left base, but JC didn't.

I think Occam's razor is key here. I think LE is just waiting for more evidence and a body, knowing that they have at least until CL comes back this fall for his felony charge. And/or they are still trying to figure out NL's involvement.

BBM. Great point! I really wonder if that is the case.

 

[RSC]

IMO, CL's jeep was the one that entered JTNP, and EC's car was already parked near base. It makes much more sense to me that they would have met very early in the morning if she didn't want to be seen by anyone.

Also, if both EC and CL told their spouses they were going to JTNP, and both spouses knew about the affair (at least NL did), it would stand to reason that they would both want to come back with a few pictures to show that they were really where they said they were going to be...

BBM

I have the very same question, Mrs. G. Maybe they found tire tracks consistent with the tracks found adjacent to Erin's car on the dirt road leading into that non-camera area of JT? If her car was seen on video entering the park I believe it would have also have had to be caught on video leaving (though she may not have been the person driving it) as *I believe* she would have had to have had a 4-wheel drive vehicle to get from one of the main gates with cameras to leave the park where there aren't any cameras (and we know her car was found outside of JTNP.) Early on it was reported that there was a possible sighting of Erin and her car in JTNP however it has never been confirmed by LE if it was a valid sighting. There is just so much desolate area within a two hour radius of the base, especially if you have access to a 4-wheel drive vehicle. I really, really hope LE has specific, accurate and compelling reasons to be searching in the areas that they are. If not, sadly, I am afraid that she may never be found.

 

[maskedwoman]

I guess I don't understand why the boyfriend would be any more of a suspect (or have a greater motive) than the husband here, especially being that her husband was the last known to have seen her. Her leaving that morning is his story. But did she really? Questions linger and you know what they say about inquiring minds ............ JMO

I think it's pretty well established that LE always start missing person and homicide investigations with the spouse/significant other and work out from there. In this case, whatever else they have, CL put himself firmly in the hot seat by lying to LE at least twice about his relationship with Erin.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1225468-1765-001.html

If you read the probable cause affidavit linked above, and listen to the various interviews the ranch owner gave, I think you'll understand why LE is so interested in the boyfriend.

 

[maskedwoman]

Oh me, too! It wasn't the trashing the apartment that raised a flag with me. It's WHEN did he do it? Was it a sign of a struggle that was attempted to be covered up? Was it the morning she supposedly left? What would be the reason for anger at that time? Did they argue before she left? Or did it take place a couple of days later as things started to come to light? The timing is everything on this. Just thinking out loud ... JMO

I believe the apartment trashing is still classified as rumor. Can someone please correct me if I am mistaken?

 

[missgulfsouth]

Thanks so much for all the info! I always apply Occam's Razor, and it starts at home. I could never get the husband off my hinky meter. But if LE is looking long and hard at the boyfriend, and she texted saying she was meeting him, and he has made inconsistent statements, and there are cameras everywhere, well ...............

She could seriously be anywhere, though. JT itself is endless ... but what if she is somewhere else? Has there been any indication that his wife knew of the affair and had motive to help get rid of her - maybe she is just a victim in all of this? Or has she made inconsistent statements, as well?

 

[cluciano63]

I think LE has video of Erin leaving base. I also think they know where JC was at that time. I have read he worked 7-7, not sure if true of course, but he did talk about the animals needing attention when he got home. If he left home before her and she was seen leaving later, Imo, he would not be a suspect. Jmo

 

[SuziQ]

Thanks so much for all the info! I always apply Occam's Razor, and it starts at home. I could never get the husband off my hinky meter. But if LE is looking long and hard at the boyfriend, and she texted saying she was meeting him, and he has made inconsistent statements, and there are cameras everywhere, well ...............

She could seriously be anywhere, though. JT itself is endless ... but what if she is somewhere else? Has there been any indication that his wife knew of the affair and had motive to help get rid of her - maybe she is just a victim in all of this? Or has she made inconsistent statements, as well?

You might want to read the affidavit linked up above. IMO, NL at best has intimate knowledge of the crime. At worst she was an active participant.

Also IMO, You would have to ignore a lot of what we do know, to make JC responsible.

 

[RSC]

No official information about the wife, but her social media accounts indicate she had marital problems around 3 months or so ago.
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Thanks so much for all the info! I always apply Occam's Razor, and it starts at home. I could never get the husband off my hinky meter. But if LE is looking long and hard at the boyfriend, and she texted saying she was meeting him, and he has made inconsistent statements, and there are cameras everywhere, well ...............

She could seriously be anywhere, though. JT itself is endless ... but what if she is somewhere else? Has there been any indication that his wife knew of the affair and had motive to help get rid of her - maybe she is just a victim in all of this? Or has she made inconsistent statements, as well?