Found Deceased CA - Fang Jin, 47, flew to LA from China, train to Palm Springs, Morongo Basin, 21 Jul 2023, w/ JohnRoot Fitzpatrick, 55, missing, 30 Jul ‘23

[Sundog]

I suspect LE have already reached out to the ex-wife of JRF to see if she is willing to talk with them about JRF. I hope she does, and if LE in CA haven't reached out to her, then I hope she has reached out to them.

 

[10ofRods]

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OTOH, the desert Southwest is unforgiving and my own top hypothesis is that there could have been misadventure (getting lost on a remote trail; going off the road in a remote area and getting stuck or having an axle break, etc, etc). No cell service in many of the places near Thermal or Julian.

And I'll say that I'm of two minds about whether SBCSO has contacted Border Patrol (federal agency) to go over crossings into Mexico for a certain time period. I sure do hope so. I remain hopeful that they have. For one thing, JRF is a felon, as I understand it, and that has to raise concern - PLUS, it seems he's on probation? So surely his "voluntarily missing" status could be a red flag, for him, in a way that it is not for FJ.

WHERE is his truck? Since it has not been found, I do wonder if he took it into Mexico (or even just Arizona - if he knows anything at all about successfully and illegally crossing the border, he wouldn't attempt it, I don't think, in California). It's very hard to take a vehicle across illegally, people usually abandon their vehicles (often hiding them) and walk over. Several places to do that, for the knowledgeable.

IME. IMO.

 

[acutename]

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OTOH, the desert Southwest is unforgiving and my own top hypothesis is that there could have been misadventure (getting lost on a remote trail; going off the road in a remote area and getting stuck or having an axle break, etc, etc). No cell service in many of the places near Thermal or Julian.

And I'll say that I'm of two minds about whether SBCSO has contacted Border Patrol (federal agency) to go over crossings into Mexico for a certain time period. I sure do hope so. I remain hopeful that they have. For one thing, JRF is a felon, as I understand it, and that has to raise concern - PLUS, it seems he's on probation? So surely his "voluntarily missing" status could be a red flag, for him, in a way that it is not for FJ.

WHERE is his truck? Since it has not been found, I do wonder if he took it into Mexico (or even just Arizona - if he knows anything at all about successfully and illegally crossing the border, he wouldn't attempt it, I don't think, in California). It's very hard to take a vehicle across illegally, people usually abandon their vehicles (often hiding them) and walk over. Several places to do that, for the knowledgeable.

IME. IMO.

If he has to check in with probation, how is that going?

 

[Deleted member 238350]

If he is deceased, sort of a moot point and a bit out of his control.

If he has to check in with probation, how is that going?

 

[acutename]

If he is deceased, sort of a moot point and a bit out of his control.

makes him officially "missing" and not voluntarily just away

 

[Teche]

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Is he retired Navy or a veteran? He’s too young for Social Security. Does he get disability or a paycheck?

 

[slowpoke]

Regarding the discussion of what the Chinese Consulate can or should be doing to help find Fang—

Different countries, but I came across a case where the Consul General of Mexico personally took a more active role in the search for a Mexican national in Osoyoos, BC, Canada. She stayed for two days to talk to the authorities, hand out flyers, and meet with local businesses and officials.

Consul General of Mexico aids search for Carlos Tomas Aranda Burgoin

 

[10ofRods]

If he has to check in with probation, how is that going?

I assume he isn't checking in, but I doubt it'll trigger (by itself) any kind of increased search to find him.

Hopefully, there's an investigator who sees how important it is to (eventually) put it out there that...he's deviating from his probation plan.

 

[10ofRods]

Regarding the discussion of what the Chinese Consulate can or should be doing to help find Fang—

Different countries, but I came across a case where the Consul General of Mexico personally took a more active role in the search for a Mexican national in Osoyoos, BC, Canada. She stayed for two days to talk to the authorities, hand out flyers, and meet with local businesses and officials.

Consul General of Mexico aids search for Carlos Tomas Aranda Burgoin

The Consul General of Mexico has indeed been more active in recent years than any other Consul I've seen. In that case, the family in Mexico had the wherewithal to put some pressure on the Consul General. So, again, it comes back to family being very proactive. I can't tell if that's the case here (nor do I know if Chinese citizens feel okay about pressuring their Consulate somewhere else).

In that case, the missing person (who is still missing?) ran away voluntarily. It appears he was there to work and disappeared when police tried to contact him. From the article:

“What we know is that Carlos was last seen in a hotel, the police arrived there and tried to talk to him,” said Ceballos.

“They were going to take him back to the farm where he was working but suddenly, he ran into the darkness, into the hills.”

So there was a last known sighting, in a specific place. The search was then conducted in the hills. There is no last known point of sighting of the truck - and if we assume the Thermal camping is accurate, then...the search should start near Thermal (except that then JRF's phone traveled, apparently, to Julian). So there is no clear starting place.

At any rate, I find the Mexican Consulate in California to be much more proactive than any other. I've met the Consul a few times - because he's very into community relations and does go to meetings and activities hosted by law enforcement and educators. They seem to have a good budget. The Vancouver Mexican Consulate could send two people to the other side of Canada to help publicize this search.

Can Fang Jin's daughter and other family could put similar pressure on the Chinese consulate? I don't know. But there is no place for representatives to show up - they need to do a presser! I've seen pressers by the Mexican consulate (and 5-10 local media outlets always show up). I'll have to do a news search to see how active in PR the Chinese consulate here might be.

I'll report back!

IMO.

 

[Herat]

The Consul General of Mexico has indeed been more active in recent years than any other Consul I've seen. In that case, the family in Mexico had the wherewithal to put some pressure on the Consul General. So, again, it comes back to family being very proactive. I can't tell if that's the case here (nor do I know if Chinese citizens feel okay about pressuring their Consulate somewhere else).

In that case, the missing person (who is still missing?) ran away voluntarily. It appears he was there to work and disappeared when police tried to contact him. From the article:



So there was a last known sighting, in a specific place. The search was then conducted in the hills. There is no last known point of sighting of the truck - and if we assume the Thermal camping is accurate, then...the search should start near Thermal (except that then JRF's phone traveled, apparently, to Julian). So there is no clear starting place.

At any rate, I find the Mexican Consulate in California to be much more proactive than any other. I've met the Consul a few times - because he's very into community relations and does go to meetings and activities hosted by law enforcement and educators. They seem to have a good budget. The Vancouver Mexican Consulate could send two people to the other side of Canada to help publicize this search.

Can Fang Jin's daughter and other family could put similar pressure on the Chinese consulate? I don't know. But there is no place for representatives to show up - they need to do a presser! I've seen pressers by the Mexican consulate (and 5-10 local media outlets always show up). I'll have to do a news search to see how active in PR the Chinese consulate here might be.

I'll report back!

IMO.

Thanks 10ofRods

I appreciate your insight and persistence in keeping this investigation active.

 

[tarabull]

3 hrs 20 mins from Twenty-nine Palms only posting because there r 2, not sure how deep the canal is to be hiding the truck...fwiw

BPD recovers 2 from Truxtun canal

Sep. 11—The Bakersfield Police Department recovered two people's bodies Monday morning from a canal on Truxtun Avenue. Officers went to the 7700 block of Truxtun Avenue at about 7:28 a.m. after getting a call about a deceased person in the canal. It wasn't clear how each person ended up in the...

news.yahoo.com

 

[Cedars]

In that case, the missing person (who is still missing?) ran away voluntarily. It appears he was there to work and disappeared when police tried to contact him.

Just FYI, that case was resolved, unfortunately his remains were found in the lake.

In that case, he wasn't on a tourist visa, but part of an official Mexican government program, in partnership with the Canadian government. So consulate involvement much more relevant.

The Seasonal Agricultural Worker Program safeguards the labor rights of Mexicans in Canada

Foreign Affairs - Labor Joint Press Release

www.gob.mx

"At the farewell ceremony for the SAWP participants at the Mexico City International Airport (AICM), Undersecretary Bolaños ...highlighted the role of the Foreign Ministry, the embassy and consulates, which are key to improving the working conditions of our fellow citizens in Canada..."

 

[slowpoke]

Just FYI, that case was resolved, unfortunately his remains were found in the lake.

In that case, he wasn't on a tourist visa, but part of an official Mexican government program, in partnership with the Canadian government. So consulate involvement much more relevant.

The Seasonal Agricultural Worker Program safeguards the labor rights of Mexicans in Canada

Foreign Affairs - Labor Joint Press Release

www.gob.mx

"At the farewell ceremony for the SAWP participants at the Mexico City International Airport (AICM), Undersecretary Bolaños ...highlighted the role of the Foreign Ministry, the embassy and consulates, which are key to improving the working conditions of our fellow citizens in Canada..."

Ah, very interesting!

How very sad, though, about the young man.

Thank you for the background on the program he was involved in, and why the consulate was more involved.

 

[mark1969]

What are the verified facts today for search locations?
1) last video post by Jin on 21th July 22pm CA time in 29 palms nearby Marine base
2) picture Johns car and numberplate by official camera in Thermal on 22nd of July
3) last cellphone track of Johns cellphone on 24th of July in Julian

So my opinion is that if we want to find what happened to Jin .... max 1 hour drive from location 1)
If we want to find car or why car was photographed in Thermal we need focus in area 2)
If we want to find out why Johns cellphone or maybe John went to Julians .... we need area 3)


Are there other facts that can be linked to other search areas after 21nd of july ?

Thx for helping searching these missing people ... and support both daugthers of Jin in Belgium and China

 

[Sundog]

What are the verified facts today for search locations?
1) last video post by Jin on 21th July 22pm CA time in 29 palms nearby Marine base
2) picture Johns car and numberplate by official camera in Thermal on 22nd of July
3) last cellphone track of Johns cellphone on 24th of July in Julian

So my opinion is that if we want to find what happened to Jin .... max 1 hour drive from location 1)
If we want to find car or why car was photographed in Thermal we need focus in area 2)
If we want to find out why Johns cellphone or maybe John went to Julians .... we need area 3)


Are there other facts that can be linked to other search areas after 21nd of july ?

Thx for helping searching these missing people ... and support both daugthers of Jin in Belgium and China

Does FJ have a daughter in Belgium as well as a daughter in China? Is the daughter in Belgium able to travel to the U.S. to help with publicity regarding the search or other?

 

[Deleted member 238350]

Wouldn’t it be helpful to check where FJ’s phone pinged last? As I understand it, that info has not been made public? Please correct me if I am in need. We seem to know only that it was not answered and then became inactive?

 

[Herat]

3 hrs 20 mins from Twenty-nine Palms only posting because there r 2, not sure how deep the canal is to be hiding the truck...fwiw

BPD recovers 2 from Truxtun canal

Sep. 11—The Bakersfield Police Department recovered two people's bodies Monday morning from a canal on Truxtun Avenue. Officers went to the 7700 block of Truxtun Avenue at about 7:28 a.m. after getting a call about a deceased person in the canal. It wasn't clear how each person ended up in the...

news.yahoo.com

Yes, in a location not really close to the area they had been visiting.

West side of Bakersfield, typical irrigation canal with adjacent dirt road. Probably deep enough to cover a Toyota Tacoma truck with canopy.

I think it's very unlikely to be them.

 

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[AnyNameIWish]

My mind keeps wandering back to this case where a woman ended up dumped in a mine right near this area.... the Rose of Peru mine is a few minutes away from where the last evening video was taken by JF.

A look at the mine shaft where Marine wife's body was dumped

We're taking a closer look at the mine shaft where Marine wife Erin Corwin's body was found after a nearly eight-week search.

www.cbs8.com

Depths and dark spaces scare me but I'm hoping this mine and others have been boarded up/secured since?

 

[hazel324]

My mind keeps wandering back to this case where a woman ended up dumped in a mine right near this area.... the Rose of Peru mine is a few minutes away from where the last evening video was taken by JF.

A look at the mine shaft where Marine wife's body was dumped

We're taking a closer look at the mine shaft where Marine wife Erin Corwin's body was found after a nearly eight-week search.

www.cbs8.com

Depths and dark spaces scare me but I'm hoping this mine and others have been boarded up/secured since?

Reading that report, it seems there was an 8 week search for Erin Corwin...

"Shortly after Corwin disappeared, investigators found her car abandoned outside her home in Twentynine Palms. About 5,000 man hours were spent searching for her, with cave and mine teams searched 100 mines. Nearly eight weeks later and 22 miles away, they found her body 140 feet deep in the Rose of Peru Mine."


So they didn't assume she'd voluntarily gone missing, even describing her vehicle as being "abandoned" (don't they mean parked!!) outside her home.