GUILTY CA - Forrest Hayes, 51, dies of heroin OD on yacht, Santa Cruz, 23 Nov 2013

[Jersey*Girl]

Some of what I see are:

Till Death Do Us Part
Hell is Love
Kiss or Kill
Dead Memory *(what is this word)*

There's also a pic I saw that shows part of her lower back with King showing on part of that area, don't know what the rest says as I couldn't make it out.

 

[time]

When she met with the Google exec, she prepared the heroin on the yacht.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/14/the-black-widow-of-silicon-valley.html

The video was clear enough that the detectives could make out the distinctive tattoos on a young dark-haired woman, who performed the age-old junkie ritual of converting the heroin into liquid and filling a syringe. She first injected herself, though the camera angle made it difficult to see exactly where.

Weird, I guess it was when she went to the sting operation that she had the needle pre-loaded.

Someone asked why would he hire a hooker and take heroin. Wonder if she had some reputation for providing drugs to clients and that's actually why she was getting paid $1000 (again, I think that was the sting operation, not sure what the yacht guy paid her?). ODK. I have it in my head she is more of a drug pusher with the added benefit of being a sexy woman administering it than a high priced hooker who just happens to bring heroin along. LE must know a lot more about all this.

They also discovered that this was not the first time she and Hayes had arranged to meet. There was something he liked enough to want to hire her again rather than choose from the hundreds of other possibilities.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/14/the-black-widow-of-silicon-valley.html

Uhm, yeah, like maybe heroin. Is there any way they would know this was his first time? Even so, maybe he arranged to meet her again on the promise of some hard drugs and fast times. Still think this is part of her MO and he's sort of a scum in my eyes with 5 kids at home. I'm not buying the sympathy for the stressed out executive just veering the wrong way.

 

[Linda7NJ]

noZme, looking at her tatts. Hmmm... Most people that get tattoos have a meaning behind the ink on their bodies. Here's some of ACT's...

She's so "hard" looking.
Nothing very soft, feminine, or pretty about her.....shrug....some men obviously like slutty looking women.


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[time]

Has this been posted?

The attorney representing a high-priced escort charged in the heroin overdose death of a Google executive on his yacht in Santa Cruz says his client was encouraged to use drugs during the encounters, for which she was paid thousands of dollars.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-alix-tichelman-google-exec-drugs-20140718-story.html

Her attorney

She's like a wounded bird.

:thinking:

 

[Jersey*Girl]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tml?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

In an exclusive interview with MailOnline he said: ‘In the days before she got arrested, she had sent me a couple of messages, saying she had decided to go back to Atlanta and she wanted to meet up with me at least one last time before she left.

'I was looking at the messages and thinking, “s**t” because she was p****d, vengefully p****d, that I had broken up with her, and then she was just nice again, and wanted to see me. It gives me the chills.'

Talking of their break up in June, he said: 'I walked out of the shower one day and she was going through my wallet and at that point I said "I’m done, get out", so I packed up all her stuff neatly put it into her car and she left then in the days following she completely flipped on me like we’d never shared a special moment at all. She acted like we were worst of enemies afterward.

'She told me she was going to ruin my life, that she was pregnant, not threatening with specific things, [but saying] she would make up a bunch of s**t, she’d call my work.

'I blocked her from my phone, and from any social media, but I didn’t block her from a secondary account I had.'

‘She said her friends were hanging out on the boat and were doing really hardcore drugs and she got uncomfortable and left. She came back to Sacramento and I hung out with her the next day. She was fine, but seemed a little shaken up when I asked her about it.

Cornell says Tichelman always used the excuse of going on model shoots when she disappeared at nights, but when he confronted her she laughed off the suggestion she was a prostitute.

He added: ‘When she came back she’d never have any photos. I’ve dated models before, and every time they come back from a photo shoot they’re showing it off. But I never once saw photos.

‘Once I jokingly asked, “Are you a hooker or something?” and she just laughed like it was the funniest thing she’d ever heard in her life. Then after stewing on it, she got mad at me for saying that.

‘During the time we were together she’d go on two or three ‘photo shoots’ a month. Her meeting clients, I guess, is what that was.’

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Has this been posted?

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-alix-tichelman-google-exec-drugs-20140718-story.html

Her attorney
:thinking:

I always thought people on heroin were more "open" and "relaxed". Maybe the prostitute on heroin would be more susceptible to different methods of sex as opposed to being clean. Maybe not, I don't really know. But how would sex be affected if both people are high on heroin? Is it even possible? Wouldn't they be too relaxed?

 

[danzn16]

Wouldn't the medical examiner be able to determine this, if he/she was looking for it? They would see previous injection marks, or know from a tox screen that heroin had been present in the body before the final time?

Tox screen would be positive regardless because he shot up before be died. If was a regular user he may have track marks. If he was not a regular user and used occasionally but had before the injection sites would heal and not be visible. So only way medical examiner would be able to tell would be if he was a heavy user IMO.


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[Jersey*Girl]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...girl-killer-Alix-Tichelman.html#ixzz37K02yMla

But how could Khristina like the woman whom she witnessed threatening Riopelle’s teenage daughter on more than one occasion?

She said, ‘Alix and Dean’s daughter hated each other, and I don’t blame her. I’d be very upset if someone evil took my daddy too. I could tell there was a lot of damage done by Alix.

‘Alix called his daughter a sociopath and would say, “Don’t you ever get in the way of me and your father, if you ever get in the way I’ll kill you, you little b***h.” It was very disturbing.

‘I had an apartment in their basement and the daughter would come down to me and stay with me. She would tell her dad, but Alix had him wrapped around her finger.’

By then there had been evidence of Tichelman’s not-so-latent violence. Most notably on 6 September 2013 when she called the cops and claimed that Riopelle had thrown her to the ground.

Riopelle rebuffed the claims telling police that Tichelman had taken pills and alcohol and repeatedly stage dived and exposed her breasts in his club until he felt compelled to take her home.

His account, that Tichelman had bitten his finger and threatened to hit herself and claim that he had beaten her, was backed up by a neighbour who heard the disruption. Tichelman was charged with making the false report and bond set at $5000. It was just a murmur of what was to come.

Two weeks later Riopelle collapsed at home. Tichelman told police that he had been drinking and taking painkillers, that she had tried to revive him for five minutes before calling 911 and that she had been in the shower when she heard a crash.

Riopelle died in hospital five days later- cause of death was found to be accidental overdose of heroin, oxycodone and alcohol. Just how ‘accidental’ is now under review.

Khristina recalled: 'A week or two after [he died] she left for California. She didn’t really love him or care for him, she just wanted his money. She was a gold digger but whatever she did she kept a great fit, toned body and she could easily wrap men around her finger'.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I wonder how old Alix was when she was adopted.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Hmmm, according to her social media, she loved Marilyn Manson. One of his songs is Slutgarden, which addresses Dead Memory Waste. Just another interesting bit, don't know if its related.

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/marilynmanson/slutgarden.html

 

[inquisitivecat]

Trying to read much into a drug users thoughts and motives is really stepping out on a limb, mostly random I think. What else was in the injection, certainly not medical grade heroin and maybe not even heroin at all for all that is known at the present. Maybe he had mental illness setting in and that is why this all started even before the drug use. Maybe they both did and that is why they went to drugs in the beginning. Don't you have to be a bit crazy anyway to inject unknown substances into your body that could kill you in minutes?

This has to be based on the known hard evidence and how the law dictates the outcome from that I think. No one is responsible for your body except ones self when your an adult and have no serious mental issues.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Trying to read much into a drug users thoughts and motives is really stepping out on a limb, mostly random I think. What else was in the injection, certainly not medical grade heroin and maybe not even heroin at all for all that is known at the present. Maybe he had mental illness setting in and that is why this all started even before the drug use. Maybe they both did and that is why they went to drugs in the beginning. Don't you have to be a bit crazy anyway to inject unknown substances into your body that could kill you in minutes?

This has to be based on the known hard evidence and how the law dictates the outcome from that I think. No one is responsible for your body except ones self when your an adult and have no serious mental issues.

According to the medical examiner and the police, it was indeed heroin that she was seen heating up and injecting into Hayes, shortly after seen clutching his chest & falling unconscious at her feet, as well as the fact it was determined that he died of a heroin overdose. I agree with you about mental issues but the heroin info was released by police and is fact.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Larry Biggam is Alix's attorney. His firm is the number one public defending firm in that county, which is huge & full of money. Public defender in alot of states sometimes coincides with learning attorneys, not alot of experience, etc. Well not this firm. They're good, more specifically Biggam is good. I wouldn't be surprised at all if she gets off on everything or a mere slap on her hands.

 

[inquisitivecat]

Do they state the heroin content in the blood when they test? If so was it typical of that for a drug user? If she has done injections to hundreds of poeple maybe in the ones that died they had a heart issue that kicked in and killed them that is not present in the typical user. It seems that given enough typical injections to enough people that a death from a weak heart will happen when triggered by the heroin or other drugs for that matter.

Does a reaction such as he had after the injection happen often to users and they do not die?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Do they state the heroin content in the blood when they test? If so was it typical of that for a drug user? If she has done injections to hundreds of poeple maybe in the ones that died they had a heart issue that kicked in and killed them that is not present in the typical user. It seems that given enough typical injections to enough people that a death from a weak heart will happen when triggered by the heroin or other drugs for that matter.

Does a reaction such as he had after the injection happen often to users and they do not die?

If the dosage was too much for him, then yes. However, that would depend on him & if he used before or even if it was steady. They said first time user so then yeah it could happen as his body may not have been used to it, but whose to say he was actually for real a first time user. IMVHO, this is a grown man making grown man choices and even the police said it appeared consensual, so I'm curious if her charges will stick. Everybody says she's just as guilty bc she administered it and he died & heroin is illegal anyway...however so is prostitution and he's the one that sought her out & hired her. She may have been doing something illegal but so was he.

This case is interesting to me on so many levels, starting with the obtained video evidence. I'm very curious if sex or nudity was shown on that video, if she or anyone else knew they were being recorded, and if not is it still legally admissable? I'm thinking probably so since a death occurred and the video shows that, and maybe death would trump all else. Maybe?

 

[Ausgirl]

She's so "hard" looking.
Nothing very soft, feminine, or pretty about her.....shrug....some men obviously like slutty looking women.

Omg, aside from the hair.. she doesn't look too different from me, that age.

Maybe my husband just liked slutty looking women too...

 

[i.b.nora]

Is there a link to a legitimate news article that says she was adopted? As I recall, DaiyMail said some friend of hers from the private school in Maine said that but, I don't think she was adopted. She looks alot like her sister and her mother to me. I haven't seen a good picture of her father to compare.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Omg, aside from the hair.. she doesn't look too different from me, that age.

Maybe my husband just liked slutty looking women too...

Hi Ausgirl. :seeya: I'm not Linda but I know what she's referring to as I've posted on many threads with her before & this has come up before. I don't think she's referring to her tattoos that make her look hard. IMO I think the reference of looking hard is the choice of wording on her tattoos, the deep layers of makeup applied, the grunge bottom barrel pictures, deep sunken eyes from possibly years of drug use, her choice of words on her social media suggesting she's into serial killers & following the satanic bible, etc. Only some of her older pics look kind of pretty. The others look desperate, reaching, and not at all serious model material. Her older pics look like HotRod material & could sell well. Not the latter ones though. Then pair that with being into bondage & prostitution, slutty could be a term that comes to mind...not bc of the tatts but bc of her lifestyle & how she carries herself.

 

[Ausgirl]

Weird, I guess it was when she went to the sting operation that she had the needle pre-loaded.

Someone asked why would he hire a hooker and take heroin. Wonder if she had some reputation for providing drugs to clients and that's actually why she was getting paid $1000 (again, I think that was the sting operation, not sure what the yacht guy paid her?). ODK. I have it in my head she is more of a drug pusher with the added benefit of being a sexy woman administering it than a high priced hooker who just happens to bring heroin along. LE must know a lot more about all this.



http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/14/the-black-widow-of-silicon-valley.html

Uhm, yeah, like maybe heroin. Is there any way they would know this was his first time? Even so, maybe he arranged to meet her again on the promise of some hard drugs and fast times. Still think this is part of her MO and he's sort of a scum in my eyes with 5 kids at home. I'm not buying the sympathy for the stressed out executive just veering the wrong way.

Great point, re the hooker-aka-dealer angle. I hadn't thought of that.

$1000 isn't really all that much for a long booking, several hours.. and for overnight it amounts to about 100 an hour... A really "high-priced" call girl would get 10 grand or more for that. I was rather thinking, Hayes with all his money was a bit of a tight wad when it came to hookers, or maybe she offered him a fetish he liked, or... yes, maybe some drugs to boot.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

She needed to carry around with her a bolus injection of Narcan just in case.

I think the Google guy wanted to live a double-life and what a perfect choice (not).

Ironic that his boat was named "Escape"...