GUILTY CA - Gianni, 24, & Sal Belvedere, 22, Ilona Flint, 22, San Diego, 24 Dec 2013 - #1

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  • #281
O/T pet peeve on that quote - there is nothing more than 100%. Can't possibly be 150%. Why not a million percent? Grrrr... makes me nuts.

That said, this will be sad no matter how it ends.
 
  • #282
This is unlikely, given that LE is saying they believe it's a homeless person, but a body was found this morning. Given the location is certainly possible - it's near the (a?) winter shelter and also nearer the coast where the thermometer is shorter than it is inland even just a few miles, which many prefer anyway, but if you're living on the streets can be really helpful (whereas it is not out of the question to have 50 degree temperature swing per day!) when you don't have much.

BUT, it's also just about 4 miles from where the Ilona and Salvatore were killed and a straight shot from the 8 freeway.

Finding random bodies isn't something that happens in San Diego very often. And even within the homeless community it's amazing that most end up calling 911 for a sick or dying friend or just fellow person walking a similar road. So while yes, it may well be a homeless person, I felt like it was worth mentioning.

It's an absurdly short article - honestly there's really nothing it in besides a body was found this morning behind a dumpster in a strip mall near the Sports Arena and they think it may be a homeless person and the body is in custody of authorities to autopsy and ID and they do not believe their was foul play.

(And that - saying no foul play - from my recollection with other cases here in San Diego, does NOT exclude suicide)

Anyway, here's the link, there's really so little it doesn't even make sense to quote it b/c I could only include about 4 words without going over the limit, so...I summarized it above :)

It may well be a homeless person as they're guessing, but you could look pretty similar if you were hiding away and essentially living on the streets trying to not be found.

The proximity and the fact that we've got a missing person, plus we don't get things like this often made it seem worth posting.

I wish I had been listening to the scanner when it was called in. I need to start paying more attention to all the stolen car calls or located stolen cars and consider if Gianni's could be among them (particularly w/ stolen/swapped/totally removed plates possibly making it's sole distinguishing feature no longer distinguishing!)
 
  • #283
I had just been in the presence of some media contacts and mentioned my fear this case was going to totally fall off the radar without some big break or something.

Just like that, an article! (If only it would really work that way easily! Ha ha)

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...nsolved-Xmas-Eve-Shooting-Case-239159881.html

It's largely a recap, but this is more or less new (though much of it we'd assumed, I'd think, given that we hadn't heard anything)

On Tuesday, Lt. Hastings confirmed there is still no trace of the missing man. Gianni’s cell phone and credit cards have not been used since he vanished, according to investigators.

Lt. Hastings told NBC 7 San Diego this is one of the most unusual cases he’s seen in his 20-year career. He said police have been in constant contact with the Belvedere family as investigators continue searching for leads.

Though the Belvedere brothers and Flint are originally from Utah, Lt. Hastings said he has no reason to believe that Gianni has left California. He said investigators have been in touch with police departments in other states, but did not reveal specifics.

One of the things that also caught my eye was a return of comments from Andre (though sounds like they sought him out vs. vice versa)

"Anybody who knew Gianni knew how much he loved both of them,” said Briones. "I can't speak about Gianni; I don't know anything about his whereabouts, I don't know if something happened to him. Honestly, none of us know. It’s as big a mystery to us. What I do know is that Gianni loved Ilona and Gianni loved his little brother."

(He goes on about his perception of their relationships and each of them and how he says he hung out with them all all the time (making it sound like a quad more than a trio even like has been suggested by Uncle Otto.
"I want whoever is responsible to be brought to justice and I want the world to know how beautiful and amazing my friend Ilona was,” added Briones.

I'll keep my mouth shut and look forward to the take others have on it.
 
  • #284
Thanks, T-Bug. At least they're trying to keep this in the news. Honestly, I can't see how Gianni can be on the run unless he's had help, or premeditated the crimes and taking off, which I doubt. All I know is not one person has come forward yet with tales of trouble brewing between the brothers or even a hint of malice or aggression in Gianni.

LE has complete control of further info that would help us understand, but MOO, it can't be as much of a mystery to them as it is to me, please...they're LE.

This is an important statement to me - "Lt. Hastings said he has no reason to believe that Gianni has left California."

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...nsolved-Xmas-Eve-Shooting-Case-239159881.html

"On Tuesday, Lt. Hastings confirmed there is still no trace of the missing man. Gianni’s cell phone and credit cards have not been used since he vanished, according to investigators."

:candle: Then, more from Andre who gave his observations saying Gianni was never aggressive when Andre hung around with them.

"Anybody who knew Gianni knew how much he loved both of them,” said Briones. "I can't speak about Gianni; I don't know anything about his whereabouts, I don't know if something happened to him. Honestly, none of us know. It’s as big a mystery to us. What I do know is that Gianni loved Ilona and Gianni loved his little brother."

"Briones said Ilona didn’t have a car and the Belvedere brothers – along with other friends and family members – would take turns giving her rides to work."

Briones explained. “It was not unusual at all for Ilona to be getting rides from anybody, particularly Sal. Sal was just doing his older brother a favor by giving his fiancée a ride.”

Briones said he often spent time with Flint and the Belvedere brothers after work, grabbing food or playing pool. He said Gianni was never aggressive, and said the Belvedere brothers were inseparable.
 
  • #285
Then, there's this guy wearing tan pants. Hmm... I see two guys being able to take Gianni and also move his car. I say guys because I'm picturing "mall thugs" for this scenario. (Don't ask me why one would wear tan pants. I know quite a few people who hate tan pants.) Anyways . . .

Suppose there were two guys in a car, maybe following them, maybe there was an altercation in another part of the mall. Say that Gianni is closeby with his own car. He sees something happen, tries to help, they shove him in their car, and the 2nd guy drives Gianni's car. It could be hidden in someone's garage for all we know.


http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...nsolved-Xmas-Eve-Shooting-Case-239159881.html

"Following the shooting, police released a vague description of a possible shooting suspect described as a man wearing tan pants, between 5-foot-9 and 5-foot-11. A possible vehicle of interest in the case is a 2008 to 2011 dark gray Honda sedan, police said."

BBM
 
  • #286
Wednesday, 08 January 2014
Increased Reward Offered for Missing Person Gianni Belvedere

San Diego County Crime Stoppers and the San Diego Police Department Missing Persons Unit continue to look for leads to help locate missing person Gianni Belvedere. The family and friends of Gianni have increased the reward to $10,000 for any information that may lead to Gianni’s whereabouts.

Detectives said Gianni Belvedere was last seen on December 23, 2013 at approximately 10:00 p.m. in the area of Mission Valley and Friars Road in San Diego. Gianni is described as a 24 year old White male, 6’1” tall, approximately 160 lbs., with brown hair and brown eyes. Belvedere may be driving a 2004 green Toyota Camry with Utah license plate B154V2. Gianni Belvedere has fast growing hair, and may possibly change his appearance.

http://www.sandiego6.com/story/increased-reward-offered-for-missing-person-gianni-belvedere-20140108
 
  • #287
This may not be a popular opinion, and maybe I am too cynical in my old age, but i still have my suspicions about this case. I am wondering if Gianni was following them cuz he thought his fiance was cheating on him with his brother. Wouldn't be the first time that this sort of betrayal played out in love triangles. What if he was spying on them and caught them kissing in the car, and he just snapped?
 
  • #288
This may not be a popular opinion, and maybe I am too cynical in my old age, but i still have my suspicions about this case. I am wondering if Gianni was following them cuz he thought his fiance was cheating on him with his brother. Wouldn't be the first time that this sort of betrayal played out in love triangles. What if he was spying on them and caught them kissing in the car, and he just snapped?

I'd call it the most popular opinion because that's what everybody thinks upon first hearing the way facts of the case were reported vaguely, and Gianni was vaguely included. A love triangle, everybody's mind goes there. Missing now for two+ wks. He either went on the run or offed himself. I've run into many local people who heard the news reports and think that.

So, you are not alone katydid23.

I'm waiting to hear more because no one has come forth and said this would be the case. Waiting to hear if there were any guns connected to the brothers or even Ilona, or any enemies to them or their family, and who is the guy in the tan pants.

LE has complete control over the facts, and they're keeping them vague for now.

It makes me sad to think about it being brother betrayal, and then to further puzzle my thinking, their family and friends say that is not possible. No one has said anything had changed or had been building, or Gianni seemed more aggressive lately.

Please don't leave me here with no more facts.
 
  • #289
Although not a lot new being released other than the reward being bumped up to $10,000 from $1,000 from CRIMESTOPPERS mind you and not the family. But at least Gianni is back in the San Diego news after a slow couple of days with nothing than the reward.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/24398172/award-increased-for-information-on-gianni-belvedere

IMO the increase in the reward may flush out money hungry people with leads or the SDPD will have enough information to name him as a POI. Although I'm still not confident about the latter. Does anyone have knowledge as to what would push LE to name a POI? And where is the family in the media lately? CRAZY :maddening:
 
  • #290
We've had another body found. This afternoon. In a proximity that (to me) is interesting.

It IS male.

And they did not mention the possibility of it being a transient (which they tend to err on that side w/ bodies and pedestrians hit, etc.) While there are transients here and there all throughout the county, the location of the body is NOT an area that you typically find more than a few scattered about.

It's also in an area that nearly everyone in the surrounding areas has decent familiarity with and have used that trails throughout (unless they really hate outdoors stuff).

There are a number of VERY easily useable paved roads or very easy trails (I have friends that hike all of them w/ kids under 4) and then some that are more difficult. There are also a number of them that are essentially roads just not paved and they serve as the fire trails and/or utility access line routes.

As you can see from this picture, many are truly extremely accessible and not a challenge for anyone to really use.
lake_murray_blvd_trail_body_1389221313944_1976816_ver1.0_320_240.jpg


I know of at least one other time a body was found there in relatively recent history. 2 1/2 years or so ago (fall of 2011, I'm pretty sure) a body was found actually quite near where this one was, but my recollection is it wasn't really in brush like this one has been described as being. The person died of a snake bite.

While this certainly could be a hiker/walker/biker again, found in the brush would seem a little less likely (unless someone doesn't know the area and know of the issues w/ snakes - or equally so, the possibility of unexploded ordinance - and the need to be more careful out there than most other hiking areas in the general area)

So it certainly could just be someone using the trails (and it could have been a really easy place to go look like you were using the trails so you'd blend in and simply use it as a place to die where you'd inevitably be stumbled upon at some point) but the location is interesting.

I'd find it extremely improbable that the three of them didn't know the area. Cowles Mountain and Mission Trails are very, very popular areas to walk/hike/eat. They are accessible from many points, including essentially from the end of the street where the three lived (the end of Tierrasanta Blvd where their street is off of doesn't connect by a physical road to Mission Gorge (well, really Princess View is even closer) but you can get through easily.

Where the body was actually found is very accessible from all the places that could be relevant (9450 Lake Murray Blvd - said to be around 150 ft up from that entrance but over in the brush) and, in many ways (to those that live in Tierrasanta, Allied Gardens, Mission Trails, San Carlos, Fletcher Hills, etc that area is more or less their backyard - especially to any who live on the peripheral parts of those communities)

Tierrasanta - 12 miles (but straight shot about 5 - and could be easy on foot from the end of Tierrasanta Blvd to just walk to the Mission Gorge side and that'd be another driveable route) up Santo to 52 to 125 to the entrance nearest the body

Mario's restaurant on Woodside in Lakeside - 8 miles - 67 to 52 to 125 - all quick segments

Mission Valley - 12 miles - 8 to the 125

Again, may be nothing, but...figured it's worth mentioning.
 
  • #291
Very likely area. I used to live in Tierrasanta.

Great job you're doing, Traveling-Bug. Thank You.
 
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Wonder how long it will take for us to hear the identity of the man's body found. It says the fatality did not appear to be suspicious.
http://santee.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/body-found-near-grossmont-college

Also here's some new pics of Gianni with a beard.

New photos of brother missing since murders released
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/jan/08/nes-photos-released-gianni-belvedere/

$10K Reward for Brother Missing in San Diego Double Murder Mystery
http://santee.patch.com/groups/poli...ing-in-san-diego-double-murder-mystery-santee
 
  • #294
Another article - mostly talking about how different Gianni could look by now. Or...sort of.

On the appearances portion, truthfully I'm a little surprised we had NOT gotten more pictures before now! Even if someone doesn't have quickly growing hair you'd think just wanting people to see as many different looks or clothing types or whatever as possible would be helpful.

The family asked that the new photos, which show the 24-year-old with various stages of beard growth, be released because he has fast-growing hair and his appearance may have changed, said San Diego police homicide Lt. Mike Hastings.

http://media.utsandiego.com/img/photos/2014/01/08/gianni_r620x349.JPG?75d51d0aea2efce5189afce216053cbc530c46a8

http://media.utsandiego.com/img/photos/2014/01/08/gianni_r620x349.JPG?75d51d0aea2efce5189afce216053cbc530c46a8

But then there's the rest. Granted, this is written by the public safety person NOT one of their regular reporters.

And given that there are about half a dozen things that totally contradict some pretty key points AND have not been reported by anyone else, I really have to wonder about much of this.

These are all some things I've NOT seen anywhere else (or not confirmed) and I really wonder if this is correct or a misinterpretation of what has been said by the uncle (primarily) and stuff just getting mushed together.

Especially since several others have posted articles in the last day or so (clearly a two week push to try to get it in the press before totally dying out so using that 'anniversary' as an excuse) and none are saying any of this - and these would be awfully key details to either have confirmation of the looser lips earlier on or brand new details you'd think everyone would have if this were the case.

Nevermind that it seems odd to me that Hastings is confirming that information to just the UT and it's not been like a public release or statement or update or...something.

But anyway, the parts that seemed noteworthy b/c of conflict or such.

About the 911 call and time of Salvatore's death:

Flint, who was calling 911 when she was shot, died at the scene. Salvatore Belvedere died Dec. 26 in a hospital, police said.

Now, there is NO way she was actually CALLING 911 when she was shot (unless there had been a call prior, but then that makes the call that aired make NO sense)

I do NOT think that is worded accurately. Or unless there were more calls and you DID hear her shot on those - which I also doubt... And doubt if this were the case they'd be releasing it in this manner.

And then there's this:
Hastings said they do not know the whereabouts of the elder Belvedere brother at the time of the shooting. He was last known to be near Friars Road in Mission Valley about 10 p.m. Dec. 23, Hastings said.

That absolutely contradicts what everything had said prior. It had been said he was last seen at 10 pm in Tierrasanta. VERY odd to me that ONLY the U-T would have been told this (because if others had they'd have been shouting this all outloud I believe)

And then there's this:
A 75-year-old uncle of the men told a television station in Utah, where the family is from, that Salvatore was picking up Flint from the mall and that Gianni was there in another car.

Detectives have confirmed that Flint was being picked up by Salvatore but have not corroborated information that Gianni was also there, Hastings said.

That's another thing we have NOT heard anywhere prior (or not confirmed). It's also NOT what the family was saying (other than the uncle).

All three lived with the brothers’ parents.

Another thing we had not been told or that had not been confirmed. The three living together yes, but at least earlier accounts didn't make it sound like the parents lived there (though possibly were others living there, parents didn't seem to be the case).

So...there you have it.

Side note unrelated to article: And, just because it was interesting today, a TON of undercover stuff going on in a few places in San Diego today. An uncharacteristic amount. And, at one point, a lot of talking about pinging a phone, the differences in what various agencies can do (w/out a warrant), as well as mention of a particular state. Not that there aren't many people that surely have a phone from or a tie to such a state, but...interesting.

And, we had a totally out of the blue request for the ME to call a particular officer. I've never heard that outside either a fatality from a crash of some sort or a homicide of some sort. None of which had happened even in the several hours prior unless it was somehow never in public hearing, which I doubt (nor were there any in the news by that point). Medical calls w/ a death usually get medics but not a ME callout unless it appears suspicious - also none of which had happened in the several hours before. And I don't think there's a chance in the world we had another body randomly turn up (which would be #3 in 3 days - truly can't imagine that! Two in a few weeks is very unusual here...let alone in as many days!)

So...yeah. I hope the upped reward is leading to some tips and that maybe some of this is about that!

I am also very curious to see if the news stations now follow with that info being confirmed to them also - I'm vary of that being the case with at least some of this. But I do think that there will probably be articles out tomorrow since they'll all surely release the pictures, and thus some degree of update/story with it. I just hope if there are, that they will not just use the U-T as a their source but will talk to SDPD directly to see what they tell them!
 
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A 75-year-old uncle of the men told a television station in Utah, where the family is from, that Salvatore was picking up Flint from the mall and that Gianni was there in another car.

Detectives have confirmed that Flint was being picked up by Salvatore but have not corroborated information that Gianni was also there, Hastings said.
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If Gianni was there in another car then WHY would she be picked up by Salvatore?
 
  • #297
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A 75-year-old uncle of the men told a television station in Utah, where the family is from, that Salvatore was picking up Flint from the mall and that Gianni was there in another car.

Detectives have confirmed that Flint was being picked up by Salvatore but have not corroborated information that Gianni was also there, Hastings said.
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If Gianni was there in another car then WHY would she be picked up by Salvatore?

BBM - Maybe she went to the mall/Macy's with Gianni, they got in a fight, and then she called Sal to pick her up? I don't know -- very strange.
 
  • #298

This surprises me as the house only has two bedrooms (I looked up the real estate info after they showed the house on one of the news reports).

One of the neighbours spoke about having beer with the brothers in their garage the week prior. Is it possible one or both of them were "living" in the garage? Does anyone do that in SoCal? Could never do that where I live... brrrr.
 
  • #299
It is possible she was calling 911 and was shot as she was doing so. By the sound of her call I don't think she was shot yet. It was probably edited and could it also be possible she said more.
 
  • #300
This surprises me as the house only has two bedrooms (I looked up the real estate info after they showed the house on one of the news reports).

One of the neighbours spoke about having beer with the brothers in their garage the week prior. Is it possible one or both of them were "living" in the garage? Does anyone do that in SoCal? Could never do that where I live... brrrr.

I think possibily the parents OWN but don't live with the boys!
 
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