GUILTY CA - Gianni, 24, & Sal Belvedere, 22, Ilona Flint, 22, San Diego, 24 Dec 2013 - #1

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  • #621
Curious Me said:
:sigh: Little by little we will learn more, but WS is not for rumors or speculations stated as fact, so I'm trying to have patience. :waiting:

Racial or gender slurs can be offensive, IMO.
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Thank you. You are very correct.
 
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IzzyBlanche said:
AFAIK there has been nothing, I mean absolutely nothing, in the MSM to suggest that these deaths were drug related, except speculation by the former FBI guy based on nothing at all except the need to fill a few minutes of air time.

So casual references to possible drug deals gone wrong is, IMO, just rubbing salt into the wounds of friends and family members who are going through the most horrific nightmare any of us can imagine. Whether they are actually reading here or not.

If LE actually comes out and says they think it's drug-related, that's another story. Barring that, any drug connections are all rumor as far as I'm concerned, and therefore against WS's TOS.
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Speculating about possibilities is a lot different than spreading rumors about someone actually doing something. The former FBI guy was basing his speculation upon his professional experience over a career of dealing with such matters. He didn't even say it definitely had to do with drugs, as he gave an alternate theory that it could have been over monetary debt.

I have yet to see a thread on Websleuths that didn't have a wide range of speculation, most of which ends up being incorrect after the dust settles and the cases are finally solved.

I certainly hope the police aren't ruling out the various possibilities, including drugs, unless they have evidence that rules it out.
 
  • #624
As we wait for autopsy results on the body found in the trunk, I started wondering about the autopsy results on SB & IF. What were the results of their autopsies. Plus, what were they wearing. Where were the bodies found inside the car. Were there any shell casings found.
 
  • #625
MLE said:
Speculating about possibilities is a lot different than spreading rumors about someone actually doing something. The former FBI guy was basing his speculation upon his professional experience over a career of dealing with such matters. He didn't even say it definitely had to do with drugs, as he gave an alternate theory that it could have been over monetary debt.

I have yet to see a thread on Websleuths that didn't have a wide range of speculation, most of which ends up being incorrect after the dust settles and the cases are finally solved.

I certainly hope the police aren't ruling out the various possibilities, including drugs, unless they have evidence that rules it out.
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Well, there's speculation and there's wild speculation, IMO.

Without any evidence to support it that we know of, speculating that the crimes were drug related has no more basis than speculating that the three were running a prostitution ring, for example. Without any concrete evidence that we know of to support the drug theory, such speculation serves only to defame the victims. Again IMO.

Of course I too hope the police aren't ruling out anything, but I wasn't referring to them.
 
  • #626
Well there is a reason three ppl are dead and all related somehow.
I don't think this is some random killing. To me it was very personal.
Either one of them did it or someone was after one or more of them.
IMO if it wasn't a love triangle something very bad was going on in their
Young lives to have it end this way.
 
  • #627
IzzyBlanche said:
Well, there's speculation and there's wild speculation, IMO.

Without any evidence to support it that we know of, speculating that the crimes were drug related has no more basis than speculating that the three were running a prostitution ring, for example. Without any concrete evidence that we know of to support the drug theory, such speculation serves only to defame the victims. Again IMO.

Of course I too hope the police aren't ruling out anything, but I wasn't referring to them.
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I noticed on the previous page you made a reference to the McStay case. There have hundreds of posts speculating about drugs being a factor in that homicide case, there have even been hundreds of posts speculating their own family may have killed them and the little kids, and there has been speculation about tawdry, adulterous love triangles. When women go missing, there's nearly always speculation about the husband and\or the boyfriend. That's the way the site has rolled the whole time I've been reading it. Speculating about possibilities is a lot different from making baseless accusations. Writing about a hypothetical scenario isn't the same as spreading a rumor.

Nobody is accusing the victims of being criminals. However, when people are getting shot in a parking lot in the middle of the night and one of the victim's brother turns up dead in the trunk of the car, people are naturally going to speculate about the same possibilities the FBI profiler mentioned.

Some are speculating Gianni killed the other two and committed suicide, which is far worse than being a dope dealer or stiffing someone on a loan. I pay my debts and have never even touched drugs, but I'd rather deal dope than murder my brother, his girlfriend, and then commit suicide in the trunk of a car. But this isn't about what we think is good or bad. It's about looking at what we know and asking why and how. For all anyone knows at this point, it could be a random serial killer. Nobody knows why they were killed, which is naturally going to lead to speculation based primarily on patterns and precedents from past homicides.
 
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Just confirmed Gianni was in fact the victim of homicide. Very sad story. I am not going to post why I think it was a drug deal gone bad due to speculation but I have my reasons and it's my belief as it has been. Good luck solving this WS I have enough closure. Sorry to whoever I offended with my earlier posts. Ciao!
 
  • #630
Where was homicide confirmed?

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  • #631
Breaking news:

Posted: 01/23/2014
Last Updated: 4 minutes ago

SAN DIEGO - A body found in the trunk of a car has been positively identified as that of Gianni Belvedere, a young man who disappeared after his fiance and brother were shot to death in a mall parking lot.

The body was discovered Jan. 17 in the Riverside area after police got a call about a foul odor coming from the car's trunk area. The car was registered to 24-year-old Gianni Belvedere, but a positive identification was not made until this week.

The man's death has been ruled a homicide, adding to the mystery of what happened to the trio.

http://www.10news.com/news/body-found-in-trunk-identified-as-gianni-belvedere-was-victim-of-homicide
 
  • #632
I was just thinking that a possible scenario for this crime was that Gianni was actually killed first, placed in the trunk of his car and then the killer drive it to the Mall (better than risking their own vehicle being spotted) killed the others, and then drove away.

How did the killer get home afterwards, is the question? They'd have to live within walking distance of where Gianni was found, or someone else had to be waiting to pick them up, or they had left there own vehicle nearby.

I did think at first this had to be an 'amateur' crime. It made no sense to leave two bodies in a car in a public place and make an inept attempt to conceal another. Now I think it's more likely to be a perp who has killed before and they didn't care if the bodies were found - Gianni was put in the trunk for convenience.

I know I'm pointing out the obvious but I think it would be a good idea to catch this killer. Anyone willing to decimate a family like this is really dangerous and needs to be removed from society.
 
  • #633
I just presumed it was one killer above. I'm not so sure it is though.
 
  • #634
zwiebel said:
How did the killer get home afterwards, is the question? They'd have to live within walking distance of where Gianni was found, or someone else had to be waiting to pick them up, or they had left there own vehicle nearby.
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They could have taken a bus or Amtrak out of Riverside. Of course this may involve two people, so someone followed or had a car waiting.

If you keep going north of that 215 highway, you'll wind up in Utah.
 
  • #635
Sandyggo said:
Breaking news:

Posted: 01/23/2014
Last Updated: 4 minutes ago

SAN DIEGO - A body found in the trunk of a car has been positively identified as that of Gianni Belvedere, a young man who disappeared after his fiance and brother were shot to death in a mall parking lot.

The body was discovered Jan. 17 in the Riverside area after police got a call about a foul odor coming from the car's trunk area. The car was registered to 24-year-old Gianni Belvedere, but a positive identification was not made until this week.

The man's death has been ruled a homicide, adding to the mystery of what happened to the trio.

http://www.10news.com/news/body-found-in-trunk-identified-as-gianni-belvedere-was-victim-of-homicide
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Thanks for posting Sandyggo! I hope that within time we will learn the COD and most importantly I hope LE will push this to the top of their list in finding justice for these 3 beautiful souls and their families.

Although I knew the outcome would be horrible either way it turned I feel like I need to sit back and reflect on Gianni, Ilona and Sal...RIP

:tantrum:
 
  • #636
zwiebel said:
I was just thinking that a possible scenario for this crime was that Gianni was actually killed first, placed in the trunk of his car and then the killer drive it to the Mall (better than risking their own vehicle being spotted) killed the others, and then drove away.

How did the killer get home afterwards, is the question? They'd have to live within walking distance of where Gianni was found, or someone else had to be waiting to pick them up, or they had left there own vehicle nearby.

I did think at first this had to be an 'amateur' crime. It made no sense to leave two bodies in a car in a public place and make an inept attempt to conceal another. Now I think it's more likely to be a perp who has killed before and they didn't care if the bodies were found - Gianni was put in the trunk for convenience.

I know I'm pointing out the obvious but I think it would be a good idea to catch this killer. Anyone willing to decimate a family like this is really dangerous and needs to be removed from society.
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BBM

IMO there was not just one killer, there were at least 2-3 involved. This goes back to the possible suspect seen at the mall after shooting IF and SB getting into the back seat of a later model grey Honda.
 
  • #637
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/jan/23/riverside-body-identified-gianni-belvedere/


The body found last week in a Riverside parking lot has been identified as 24-year-of Gianni Belvedere, police officials told the Riverside Press-Enterprise Thursday.

An autopsy determined that Belvedere, who has been missing since the Christmas Eve murders of his finacee and brother at a Mission Valley mall, was the victim of a homicide, the paper reported.

The body was identified through fingerprints, officials said.

The cause of his death has not been released.
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  • #638
If finger prints were still possible. It seems like he was in the trunk for a much shorter time then we presumed. Sounds like the 2 day report is likely the most accurate.

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  • #639
AmandaFast said:
If finger prints were still possible. It seems like he was in the trunk for a much shorter time then we presumed. Sounds like the 2 day report is likely the most accurate.

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Ugh. So he could have been held somewhere?
 
  • #640
Just to clarify, does the term homicide here definitely mean murder and not suicide, unlike before?
 
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