GUILTY CA - Gianni, 24, & Sal Belvedere, 22, Ilona Flint, 22, San Diego, 24 Dec 2013 - #1

[thebestinthewest]

It was open until 12 I'm pretty sure I remember a few days before I wanted to buy wine and it was after 11 and they wouldn't sell it to me...I never forget a wine misadventure.

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[thebestinthewest]

Tan pants also scream Best buy employee which is a block away

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[AzPistonsGirl]

I admit - I thought Best Buy as well with the tan pants. But yeah, I think Target folks wear them too? I never shop there but I think they wear tan and red.

Also, as to how G was killed. I am scared to even say what I think that might mean (so many guests here lately). Yikes.

 

[thebestinthewest]

And all those cell phone stores and kiosks wear tan pants the murderer could have worked at Fashion Valley met Gianni and then went to the Mission Valley mall. Also isn't there a jack in the box on Friars in Mission Valley by Food 4 less? I'm not sure if it's Friars exactly but it's really close

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[Frannie]

5 members but 26 guests - Wow - who is lurking ???? very unusual....

 

[thebestinthewest]

5 members but 26 guests - Wow - who is lurking ???? very unusual....

All those people must be target employees lol jk

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[maureen718]

I tossed that around in my head too, Zweib. My first thought was this person came from working somewhere like Target or UPS driver or something because of the tennis shoes (I didn't include that up above, but yes all white tennis shoes). I then thought maybe a friend/family Christmas party, but khakis with tennis shoes? Doubtful. So, my bet is it was someone who had not changed after work. I mean if you are trying to kill 3 people in the middle of the night and had time to plan, wouldn't you opt for darker pants like jeans and dark shoes?

This is my thought too, work uniform with black hoodie outerwear. Which makes me wonder who would kill 3 people after they had worked on Christmas Eve? Now I am starting to believe they knew this person or persons. Three people in two different locations doesn't seem to relate to gang activity or wrong place wrong time scenarios.

 

[5CentsWorth]

~Snipped from news article~

"Garrett told 10News the way Gianni Belvedere died will be critical to the investigation..."

This statement really bothers me.

 

[maureen718]

Adidas makes jackets that are black with 3 white stripes around the biceps. Three white stripes is a trademarked logo for Adidas. I haven't found a picture of one that has a hood yet.

Maybe that's what they meant by unique stripes -- brand logo stripes.

I think it very well may be an Adidas hoodie and that's what lead to the 'unique' comment by LE. unique=only one, Adidas=only trademarked company selling hoodies with white stripes going around biceps

 

[BrownRice]

This is my thought too, work uniform with black hoodie outerwear. Which makes me wonder who would kill 3 people after they had worked on Christmas Eve? Now I am starting to believe they knew this person or persons. Three people in two different locations doesn't seem to relate to gang activity or wrong place wrong time scenarios.

There is no doubt in my mind they knew this person. There are hardly ever random shootings like this, especially when one person is kidnapped. What would be the motive?

 

[maureen718]

There is no doubt in my mind they knew this person. There are hardly ever random shootings like this, especially when one person is kidnapped. What would be the motive?

I don't know! Hatred. Drugs or money or money and drugs? I don't know. But when I think this shooter was possibly still in his work uniform hatred seems more of a factor, imho. Why kill two right where they sit and capture and possibly hold hostage for days or even mere minutes and transport that person to another location seems so 'unique' to me that I go away from the money/drug motive.

 

[Sunday]

This was a straight up hit, not some random act of violence. Sure, tan pants and white tennis shoes may be unusual for someone looking to kills 3 people, but wouldn't it make sense that he'd want to blend in, rather than stand out? I read that the POI was seen in the mall a few times prior to the murders so, yeah, he may have worked there, or he may have been trying to blend in unnoticed. That's really your only option in malls in CA, since you aren't allowed to cover your head with a hoodie or anything that would obscure your face to cameras.

 

[Curious Me]

If you're going to kill two people and kidnap and kill another, do you work that night? I say no, but then it'd make a good alibi why you were seen at the mall and even on camera, but I can't see this was a employee working that night. Wow.

I have a friend that wouldn't take a stadium job because of the tan pants making her look too big. So, we discussed tan pants a lot. Is it an unspoken truth - Tan pants, people don't wear them unless they have to?

 

[Strangeworld]

I'm just guessing, but I would say that the description given in MSM and the PC are to draw out any witnesses that could place the suspect at the crime scene, the shopping centre, driving down the road, nearby streets, etc. I really doubt the description is to ID the person. If the police needed to ID him, they would probably put up a CCTV grab, wouldn't they?

I would say they are trying to get as much evidence together as they can. The more witnesses placing him at the scene, the more substantial their case. IMO.

Edit: they may even want people to keep a lookout for the hoodie in case it was dumped somewhere near the shopping centre. It may be covered in blood, DNA, etc. and the suspect may have ditched it.

 

[Curious Me]

Just had a scary thought - what if the guy they're describing didn't do it?:dunno:
Does LE have a good theory from witness reports and seeing him at the mall that this is really the guy that did it?
What about any connection of this same man to Riverside?
If they're wrong, then somebody is feeling safe. Maybe tan pants guy is what LE is saying to soothe the real killer for now. anic: I don't know!

 

[SDHELPS]

Trying to catch up on everything today! I see that in the presser they also stated the below, so it may be some time before we know the COD/TOD or any other details:

There has been some confusion with Gianni Belvedere's autopsy and exactly what the manner of death was," Lt. Mike Hastings with the San Diego Police Department said during a brief news conference Friday. "I do not have specifics because the autopsy report is not completed yet and probably won't be for several weeks. However, the preliminary manner of death is homicide."

I had lunch today with a friend who knows a family that is close to the Belvederes' cousins. Although it is hearsay under TOS rules I will say that the information shared by thebestinthewest on GB's friends thoughts were pretty darn close. I only bother mentioning this because these conversations had taken place last weekend and GB had not been considered a homicide at that point. If the cousins are aware of this information I can only assume GB, SB and IF families have similar information.

My point is that LE and the families know a lot more than the public and I can only hope this will bring swift justice to the killer(s). :jail:

 

[MLE]

My guess is it had to do with a loan between friends. I'm guessing the loan was at least $5000, and when the lender got impatient about being repaid, the borrower said something insulting like, "I'm not going to pay you any of it back now, since you're being such a jerk about it," having had no intention of paying it back when he took out the loan.

I've seen the above scenario happen a few times during my adult life and the lenders are always seething and sometimes talking about heinous revenge.

I don't think it was a professional hit due to the lack of planning and a total disregard for cameras. It seems like the killer was operating on anger, vindictiveness, and adrenaline.

 

[Sunday]

My guess is it had to do with a loan between friends. I'm guessing the loan was at least $5000, and when the lender got impatient about being repaid, the borrower said something insulting like, "I'm not going to pay you any of it back now, since you're being such a jerk about it."

I've seen the above scenario happen a few times during my adult life and the lenders are always seething and sometimes talking about heinous revenge.

I don't think it was a professional hit due to the lack of planning and a total disregard for cameras. It seems like the killer was operating on anger, vindictiveness, and adrenaline.

This over $5000, "between friends"? No way.

 

[MLE]

This over $5000, "between friends"? No way.

I've seen it happen a few times, not a triple homicide, but two friends where the lender gets angry and talks about revenge. It seems to stem from two factors:

1. The financial loss.
2. The lender being insulted when the borrower uses the lender's "jerk" behavior as a reason he's not paying.

There are many, many proverbs about not loaning money to friends, but people still do it. It rarely ends well.

 

[Curious Me]

Uncle Otto mentioned Salvatore had just gotten back from helping/working in Oregon. (link previously posted) It was just part of a statement he was making, but he didn't say when he'd just gotten back. How long was Salvatore up in Oregon?