CA - Hasanni Campbell, 5, Oakland, 10 Aug 2009 - #5

[Columbo]

Here's another one. He says he left Hasanni by the back door, right? So we'd assume, before we knew him, that being a responsible parent he must know it was safe to leave him there. Well if it was so safe, and he says they NEVER cart the children around front, why didn't he leave the baby back there too?

Good point. Yes,if it was so safe, he could have just put her in a carseat (or whatever) and told Hasanni to watch her while he went into the store.

 

[Columbo]

My snazzy 2001 Pontiac Grand Am has one. Right on the drivers side door. Push the button and the trunk pops open.

Pops open real wide, or just enough so you can open it the rest of the way?

 

[Shutterfly]

Pops open real wide, or just enough so you can open it the rest of the way?

My grandfather had a beemer. I think his was a 2000 but I have no idea what model. The latch inside his car would either pop the trunk open so that it was just unlatched, or if you pushed the button the other way, it opened the trunk all the way. It operated off of hydraulic shocks or something to that effect. The only reason I remember that is because when one of those shocks died, it cost him a mint to fix it and he was pizzed.

 

[Paulette]

Here's another one. He says he left Hasanni by the back door, right? So we'd assume, before we knew him, that being a responsible parent he must know it was safe to leave him there. Well if it was so safe, and he says they NEVER cart the children around front, why didn't he leave the baby back there too?

Now how's that gonna look? Someone kidnaps Hasanni & not the baby! Sheesh! Imagine if he had left the baby at the door & she got kidnapped. That might be construed as a fantastic story by LE. You'd need a team of kidnappers to get a boy & a baby in a carriage outta there quickly.

Look, this was the best "seemingly" credible story he could come up with on short notice.

 

[Shutterfly]

Now how's that gonna look? Someone kidnaps Hasanni & not the baby! Sheesh! Imagine if he had left the baby at the door & she got kidnapped. That might be construed as a fantastic story by LE. You'd need a team of kidnappers to get a boy & a baby in a carriage outta there quickly.

Look, this was the best "seemingly" credible story he could come up with on short notice.

:floorlaugh:

 

[Paintr]

So, if the last known sighting of Hasanni was on the 6th and he was reported missing/kidnapped/lost/runaway on the 10th, when did whatever happened to Hasanni, happen?

Was he dead on the 6th after Wal Mart and it took till the 10th to come up with the 'left by the door' story or did he die early on the 10th and the story was thought up in a panic. Or did he go 'missing' sometime in between.

Where did whatever happened happen? At home? in the car?

 

[doobiedoo52]

Off topic ...

I recently read an article about a cliff in Japan that was becoming popular for suicide. The authorities came up with the solution of putting guards, armed with rifles, at the cliff top to prevent people from jumping. Couldn't wrap my mind around that one. Wonder if they tried cameras.

Are cameras a deterrent? I have a mental image of despondent people stopping just before the jump to wave to the camera.

Sorry for straying off topic.

Not trying to be a smart arse, but say what? So they just shoot them instead?

 

[Paintr]

Not trying to be a smart arse, but say what? So they just shoot them instead?

The only explaination I was ever able to dream up, and it's just my best guess, was that it was somehow dishonourable to be shot while chosing to jump would be an honourable death.

 

[eyes4crime]

So, if the last known sighting of Hasanni was on the 6th and he was reported missing/kidnapped/lost/runaway on the 10th, when did whatever happened to Hasanni, happen?

Was he dead on the 6th after Wal Mart and it took till the 10th to come up with the 'left by the door' story or did he die early on the 10th and the story was thought up in a panic. Or did he go 'missing' sometime in between.

Where did whatever happened happen? At home? in the car?

Great question Paintr! I've been pondering that one myself for days. Based on his preposterous story, I would say the crime happened on the 10th (panic planning). On the other hand, with no body found or a designated LE specific crime scene, I tend to think that more planning was used. Maybe Ross was planning this crime for some time and finally executed it on the 10th. Maybe something went wrong in his cover up plan. Remember the screen that was pushed out on the house...what if his original plan was that someone broke in and abducted Hasanni while he was at the bank? Why he didn't use that, I have no idea. These are all just guesses.

 

[Columbo]

I've been catching up on articles in some of the other links; isn't this an ODD thing for him to say--see underlined part below? The police "know for a fact, in their hearts, that he killed the boy.."

Huh??? When the police know something for a fact, it isn't in their hearts. I think LR is talking about himself...mainly because he is always talking about himself!

I think it's the criminal who deep down wants to get caught, and gives himself away by weird turns of speech like this. Among other things, like lying. Hope this makes sense!!

Missing boy's foster father blasts police
Investigators Don't Buy Story
September 1, 2009
<snipped>
The foster father of a missing 5-year-old boy is out of jail and vowing to find the boy with or without police help. Oakland police released Louis Ross Tuesday night after arresting him on suspicion of homicide.

Ross is being quite vocal about the police department. He claims they have a preconceived theory about Hasanni's disappearance and says police know for a fact, in their hearts, that he killed the boy and that he was never really kidnapped.

As for now, the district attorney is siding with Ross, who is a free man after being released from the Santa Rita jail where he had been held since Friday on suspicion of murder. Investigators point to recently-released surveillance video from August 6th, of Hasanni and his family at a Fremont Walmart, as the last known citing of the boy.
They just do not believe the foster parents' story.

"We are continuing to put our efforts into solving this case and potentially re-arresting Mr. Louis Ross or Jennifer Campbell at some point," Police Chief Howard Johnson said.

"See... and I trusted their word. But, they've shown through their actions their word cannot be trusted. They've shown though their actions they have an agenda," Ross said referring to investigators' efforts to implicate him, including texting him from foster mother Jennifer Campbell's phone after the two were arrested last Friday. She was released Monday evening. He was released Tuesday night.

Currently, no one is in jail for Hasanni's disappearance. But, police say there is one prime suspect in this case and it is Louis Ross. The search for Hasanni will be continued on Saturday at Lake Elizabeth in Fremont. The organizers of the volunteer search are looking for divers to look in the lake.

 

[Columbo]

Great question Paintr! I've been pondering that one myself for days. Based on his preposterous story, I would say the crime happened on the 10th (panic planning). On the other hand, with no body found or a designated LE specific crime scene, I tend to think that more planning was used. Maybe Ross was planning this crime for some time and finally executed it on the 10th. Maybe something went wrong in his cover up plan. Remember the screen that was pushed out on the house...what if his original plan was that someone broke in and abducted Hasanni while he was at the bank? Why he didn't use that, I have no idea. These are all just guesses.

Re the pushed-out screen: I was wondering if it was part of LR's coverup plan or if maybe Hasanni messed with the screen, and that set LR off into a deadly rage? It's weird, with the interior of the house so sterile, that they didn't fix that screen.

 

[Paintr]

Great question Paintr! I've been pondering that one myself for days. Based on his preposterous story, I would say the crime happened on the 10th (panic planning). On the other hand, with no body found or a designated LE specific crime scene, I tend to think that more planning was used. Maybe Ross was planning this crime for some time and finally executed it on the 10th. Maybe something went wrong in his cover up plan. Remember the screen that was pushed out on the house...what if his original plan was that someone broke in and abducted Hasanni while he was at the bank? Why he didn't use that, I have no idea. These are all just guesses.

If one or the other flew off the handle and killed Hasanni 'accidently' surely they wouldn't let his body lie around for a few days to have time to make up a story. I would think the disposal would have to be done quickly. then there would be time to clean up and create a story.

Perhaps the children were left alone and Hasanni died from a fall or choking while alone and they panicked, disposed of the body and came up with the 'lost' story. They might have been afraid of being charged with negligence or of losing their other babies.

I am just having a very hard time believing Ross' story of leaving Hasanni for several minutes and poof he was gone.

 

[daisy7]

I'm puzzled by if LR killed Hasanni, WHY wouldn't he make up a more credible story of how he was kidnapped?

 

[WhyaDuck?]

The only explaination I was ever able to dream up, and it's just my best guess, was that it was somehow dishonourable to be shot while chosing to jump would be an honourable death.

It's also a lot more mentally horrific to be shot than drown, I guess. I don't know that it's more painful, but it might seem that way.

However, I am certain they wouldn't shoot to kill - only disable, thus possibly allowing the guards to go apprehend the person. I assume that is the ultimate goal.

(Sorry for taking us further into suicide prevention policies. I'll stop now.)

 

[WhyaDuck?]

If one or the other flew off the handle and killed Hasanni 'accidently' surely they wouldn't let his body lie around for a few days to have time to make up a story. I would think the disposal would have to be done quickly. then there would be time to clean up and create a story.

Perhaps the children were left alone and Hasanni died from a fall or choking while alone and they panicked, disposed of the body and came up with the 'lost' story. They might have been afraid of being charged with negligence or of losing their other babies.

I am just having a very hard time believing Ross' story of leaving Hasanni for several minutes and poof he was gone.

Yeah, I think the death and the disposal happened nearly the same day. It's not like they could freeze a body for days and then dispose of him, as it wasn't winter or cold.

That doesn't mean, however, that his cause of death didn't happen earlier, and he didn't die right away.

Poor child.

 

[Paintr]

I'm puzzled by if LR killed Hasanni, WHY wouldn't he make up a more credible story of how he was kidnapped?

It was better than the nanny story Casey Anthony dreamed up. LOL!

But I see what you are saying, daisy. Why didn't he claim to have lost Hasanni in the park where SO's might lurk in the bushes? Or in a crowded mall? But then, he would have to explain how Hasanni got so far away from him that he, Ross, didn't see it happen. Guess he needed a legitiment reason to leave a 5 year old alone, without looking like a neglectful adult.

 

[Paintr]

Yeah, I think the death and the disposal happened nearly the same day. It's not like they could freeze a body for days and then dispose of him, as it wasn't winter or cold.

That doesn't mean, however, that his cause of death didn't happen earlier, and he didn't die right away.

Poor child.

Yikes! Never thought of that.

 

[Shutterfly]

I'm puzzled by if LR killed Hasanni, WHY wouldn't he make up a more credible story of how he was kidnapped?

I have to believe that in some twisted, warped way, the kidnapping story 'fits.' I would imagine that whatever happened must have been bad, and the child's body will reveal that. What better way to prevent being blamed. By blaming a non-existent kidnapper, LR can then claim whoever kidnapped him did whatever horrible things the autopsy would reveal. I tend to think too, because of this, he dumped this child somewhere in a hurry, just like a kidnapper would. I think he wants Hasanni found. Afterall, that's the only way this thing will cease to follow him around. I think he truly believes he's smart enough to pass the kidnapping thing off even when Hasanni is found. He clearly thinks people are stupid, he proves that every time he opens his mouth.

 

[Paintr]

It's also a lot more mentally horrific to be shot than drown, I guess. I don't know that it's more painful, but it might seem that way.

However, I am certain they wouldn't shoot to kill - only disable, thus possibly allowing the guards to go apprehend the person. I assume that is the ultimate goal.

(Sorry for taking us further into suicide prevention policies. I'll stop now.)

Hey! It was my fault. My random thought started this thread derailment.

:truce:

I'll be good now!

 

[doobiedoo52]

I just can't lose this nagging feeling. I don't like the way Jordan said "We strongly believe and know for a fact". It just makes me think they don't have any proof. If LR had said that, we'd be all over it. Why did LE say it that way. I'm so confused.