Identified! CA - Huntington Beach, WhtFem 40UFCA, 18-30, poss name Andrea, Apr'90 - Andrea Kuiper

[sfbaynancydrew]

The history including Washington, California, adoption, looking for birth mother all seemed consistant with Andrea. Elizabeth's appearance is not spot on but is not wrong either...

mjak

Aside from the picture and physical characteristics not matching up, Elizabeth's story is bizarre (ended up in a relationship with her bio 1/2 brother who's ex previously went "missing", never found and now he's in prison for raping the ex's 8 yr old daughter?) Elizabeth had also given birth and I believe the autopsy would have indicated that?

In any case, it's great seeing fresh faces brought up. Elizabeth most likely was murdered by this 1/2 brother. (But that doesn't mean she isn't still worth looking at, just what my gut says from reading this case). Interesting one for sure!

http://www.nampn.org/cases/eisel_elizabeth.html

 

[rosesfromangels]

Elisabeth has a lot of information that would be consistant with Andrea. The green eyes do not throw me as green and brown eyes are often subjective. The nose looks good. A long shot with the insinuationg her husband is involved but too much that fit to ignore, imo.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/e/eisel_elizabeth.html

mjak

Yikes! What a horrible story this is. The drawing of the Doe and the pics of this gal just don't look at all alike to me, but I'm not a trained eye. Speaking of eyes, I didn't hear any mention of "Andrea" having had contacts, or conversely, that Elisabeth was busty. Those seem like two important characteristics that would have been called out. It sounds to me like poor Elisabeth was murdered by her half-brother to make way for his new girlfriend. I'm sure the ex-wife knows the truth but is afraid to speak. What a vile miscreant that man is.

 

[Roselvr]

I wonder if the ring was like this one

 

[mjak]

Aside from the picture and physical characteristics not matching up, Elizabeth's story is bizarre (ended up in a relationship with her bio 1/2 brother who's ex previously went "missing", never found and now he's in prison for raping the ex's 8 yr old daughter?) Elizabeth had also given birth and I believe the autopsy would have indicated that?

In any case, it's great seeing fresh faces brought up. Elizabeth most likely was murdered by this 1/2 brother. (But that doesn't mean she isn't still worth looking at, just what my gut says from reading this case). Interesting one for sure!

http://www.nampn.org/cases/eisel_elizabeth.html

Other than the green eyes what part of the physical characteristics do not match up. I do think that it is likely Poor Elizabeth was killed by her 1/2 brother fake husband. It is a terrible story. However, so much of is written about Elizabeth does match up to what me know about Andrea. I believe that it can be told by the pelvic bones if a women has give birth but it can not conclusivly be said that a women has not give birth. If that makes sense. I do think that their is a physical resembalance between Andrea and Elizabeth. If I have learned one thing over the years of looking for UID's that you can not take picture especially when they are reconstructions as being point on. I think Carl having seen the actually photo of Andrea would be able to give more insight on this potential match.

mjak

 

[rosesfromangels]

I wonder if the ring was like this one

Good grief that's rather creepy! (MOO)

 

[CarlK90245]

I think Carl having seen the actually photo of Andrea would be able to give more insight on this potential match.

mjak

I'm not seeing Elizabeth being Andrea. Elizabeth's nose is turned up, but it is much thinner than Andrea's nose.

 

[sluethermac]

How did knobody claim her yet don't they check the news or missing people sites?

 

[rosesfromangels]

How did knobody claim her yet don't they check the news or missing people sites?

So I've asked the same question a bunch of different ways and various people have given me some education on this. Even though we live in a high tech world, there are thousands(?) of these cases that haven't even been entered in to the various databases, and most of these various state databases aren't synched together. Not enough people to do the work, and not enough money to properly upgrade and synch the systems.

That's my understanding, but I'm sure there is someone more qualified who could give you a better update than that.

 

[carbuff]

And that's for the cases that were entered into the system somewhere. It doesn't count all the reports that worried families tried to make that were dismissed as runaways, or that were never followed up on because the missing person was a prostitute or had drug problems or emotional problems. Or that were never reported because there was nobody to notice the person missing -- homeless people, abused spouses, kids lost in the court system, for instance.

 

[rosesfromangels]

And that's for the cases that were entered into the system somewhere. It doesn't count all the reports that worried families tried to make that were dismissed as runaways, or that were never followed up on because the missing person was a prostitute or had drug problems or emotional problems. Or that were never reported because there was nobody to notice the person missing -- homeless people, abused spouses, kids lost in the court system, for instance.

Case in point, look at all the "unclaimed" remains. They have been identified, but no next of kin found, or they don't respond. I loose faith in humanity over stuff like that

 

[webrocket]

you might be a bit harsh on this one. the "unclaimed" persons are known but next of kin are not always known. I've had distant relatives retire to other states and suddenly one year there is no Christmas card.

there is no perfect way of a medical examiner or surrogate's office to find every conceivable distant relative.

Case in point, look at all the "unclaimed" remains. They have been identified, but no next of kin found, or they don't respond. I loose faith in humanity over stuff like that

 

[killarney rose]

It's quite possible Andrea's adoptive parents are dead. They were probably older when they got her- putting them probably at least in their 70s or 80s today.

 

[mjak]

I'm not seeing Elizabeth being Andrea. Elizabeth's nose is turned up, but it is much thinner than Andrea's nose.

Thanks Carl. I agree her nose seems longer and thinned out after the turned up part. Elizabeth's physical appearance did not shout out Andrea to me. Her adoption story and the connection to Washington State and California made me think this needed to be looked out. However, that is based on the supposion that our Andrea is MM Big Mouth Andrea which I am not convinced of. Thanks for your input.

mjak

 

[Roselvr]

So I've asked the same question a bunch of different ways and various people have given me some education on this. Even though we live in a high tech world, there are thousands(?) of these cases that haven't even been entered in to the various databases, and most of these various state databases aren't synched together. Not enough people to do the work, and not enough money to properly upgrade and synch the systems.

That's my understanding, but I'm sure there is someone more qualified who could give you a better update than that.

I think he's too young to understand the world we used to live in when she died.


Here is one family's story on how they tried to report their daughter missing.

The Mystery Ends For Family Of N.j. Girl Missing 10 Years, Discovery Finally Confirms Their Worst Fears January 09, 1986

 

[zwiebel]

So I've asked the same question a bunch of different ways and various people have given me some education on this. Even though we live in a high tech world, there are thousands(?) of these cases that haven't even been entered in to the various databases, and most of these various state databases aren't synched together. Not enough people to do the work, and not enough money to properly upgrade and synch the systems.

That's my understanding, but I'm sure there is someone more qualified who could give you a better update than that.

I'm not more qualified, but there should be an alternative to synchronising all the databases. That would be, in theory, to build something that could help any computer search all the different databases, then synchronise all the results in a format the computer user could easily read. And maybe then it would be possible for people to enter cases somewhere, that they had only read about on msm? Those cases would double up in the results if they had already been entered on an official database somewhere, and if they hadn't....

The only trouble with that is, all the databases have such different formats, and the ones that people find easiest to negotiate are often the hardest for computers. Especially those based on photos, rather than listed information. Nevertheless, just because something's horribly complicated and takes a long time, there's no reason to think it can't happen one day. Sooner, rather than later, I would hope, because I'm terrible at searching those databases.

 

[mjak]

I'm not more qualified, but there should be an alternative to synchronising all the databases. That would be, in theory, to build something that could help any computer search all the different databases, then synchronise all the results in a format the computer user could easily read. And maybe then it would be possible for people to enter cases somewhere, that they had only read about on msm? Those cases would double up in the results if they had already been entered on an official database somewhere, and if they hadn't....

The only trouble with that is, all the databases have such different formats, and the ones that people find easiest to negotiate are often the hardest for computers. Especially those based on photos, rather than listed information. Nevertheless, just because something's horribly complicated and takes a long time, there's no reason to think it can't happen one day. Sooner, rather than later, I would hope, because I'm terrible at searching those databases.

What you describe is exactly what we need. However, as you stated it is incredibly complicated. It is called taking all this information complied in different formats and spitting it out in one centralized user friendly 100% compatability likness first format. It can be done! Take Google for example and if they would make Google missing people search engine could be something in the right direction. the good thing about working on a forum like this is everyone brings to the table different skills and deficits. I am researcher by profession so that part I am good at. However, I have come to the sad conclusion that I am really really lousy at visual recognition. When Carl discribes what he "sees" that result in his pictures I feel like I am a blind person, lol. the good thing is Carl's abilites help me in the area that well I stink, lol. Zwiebel I have noticed your reserach ability and tenacity.

mjak

 

[sfbaynancydrew]

Or the FBI could give the public access to the main database.

 

[TheHunter]

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/40ufca.html

Unidentified White Female

* Died on April 1, 1990 in Huntington Beach, Orange County, California as a result of a traffic-related accident.

Vital Statistics

* Estimated age: 18 - 30 years old
* Approximate Height and Weight: 5'4"; 122 lbs.
* Distinguishing Characteristics: Brown eyes; brown hair. Acne scars were visible on her face. Well-nourished build with large breasts. Her feet were size six and she wore black toenail polish.
* Dentals: Her teeth showed signs of previous orthodontics and she had received dental care shortly before her death. Restorations on back of top front 4 teeth. Dental records and fingerprints are available.
* Clothing: She was wearing a black dress; fishnet stockings; a pink sweater; and a size 40 D bra. A ring made of human hair was located on her left ring finger. She carried a smooth black stone, and a motel key inscribed with No. 218. She carried no identification and no credit cards.

Case History
This young woman stepped onto Pacific Coast Highway on April Fools' Day, 1990. She was struck first by a Mazda MX-6, then a Lincoln Continental. She died instantly.
When a sketch of her was published in local newspapers, several Huntington Beach residents said they had spoken with her.
Her first name may have been Andrea and she may have been from the East-Coast.

the ring of human hair is interesting--did they DNA test the hair??---In Victorian times when you loved one passed they would make "mourning jewelry" which was rings and bracelets made out of you loved ones hair.--Possibly she was in town for a funeral?? ( she had a hotel key, she was wearing mostly black, and she was wearing mourning jewelry)

 

[MrsTigglesworth]

the ring of human hair is interesting--did they DNA test the hair??---In Victorian times when you loved one passed they would make "mourning jewelry" which was rings and bracelets made out of you loved ones hair.--Possibly she was in town for a funeral?? ( she had a hotel key, she was wearing mostly black, and she was wearing mourning jewelry)

Hi hunter! Welcome!!!!
The witness said she cut her own hair in front of him for the ring. The extra hair was also found in her pocket. It being her own hair is what leads us to believe she was mourning her own death....

But to answer your question, I do not *think* DNA was done on just the hair for the above reason. Anyone else know anything more on this? I don't see why the witness would have lied about something like that.

As for the clothes, most likely goth/punk fashion.

 

[zwiebel]

First reports seemed to indicate LE trying to find out who owned the hair, because that's when the owner from the crystal shop came forward and gave the theories about it being the hair of a loved one.

I guess the mobile home salesman hadn't heard about Andrea's death and come forward then. There were absolutely no mentions of dna tests on it, so I'm guessing LE found him a credible witness. Also, I'm out of my depth here but - if it wasn't considered crucial, maybe the coroners were content just to use a visual comparison with Andrea's own hair?