CA CA - Jeff Joseph, 45, Hoopa, 21 June 2014

[somequestions]

Jeff Joseph's case is yet another sad missing person's case. I do not have much to add other than if he was killed by someone they must have found a way to get rid of his 1998 Toyota RAV4.

I use a website called carcomplaints so naturally I was curious. It turns out the number one complaint is for the brakes.

Like so many clues though, that could just be another clue that looks like it matters, like his connections to the marijuana growing industry, but does not really matter. I just thought I would put it out there since after reading this thread it does not seem like anyone has talked much about his vehicle.

 

[Lilibet]

Jeff Joseph's case is yet another sad missing person's case. I do not have much to add other than if he was killed by someone they must have found a way to get rid of his 1998 Toyota RAV4.

I use a website called carcomplaints so naturally I was curious. It turns out the number one complaint is for the brakes.

Like so many clues though, that could just be another clue that looks like it matters, like his connections to the marijuana growing industry, but does not really matter. I just thought I would put it out there since after reading this thread it does not seem like anyone has talked much about his vehicle.

BBM

Thanks for the carcomplaints information about the brakes on the 1998 RAV4. Without going back in the thread, I believe there were searches along 299, but I'm not sure about 96 and 169. It's entirely possible that he went off the road near Weitchpec. His phone even could have pinged afterward.

LaLouve posted earlier about their car breaking down on 299. They were told to have it towed ASAP and not leave it there any longer than necessary because it would be stripped and the parts sold while they were gone. So his car could be long gone in pieces if it's not hidden in the thick foliage on a steep slope.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...45-Hoopa-21-June-2014&p=12122081#post12122081

But if he had an accident and didn't show up at the property, you'd think his partners would have been more cooperative. That's the one thing that causes me to think he didn't have a wreck. But the car could have been disposed of by selling the parts either way.

 

[burblestein]

Let us not blithely assume all the marijuana growing on Jeff's property is outdoors. An indoor grow would naturally be hidden from our view.

I made another Googling attempt at "driving" in to the property from a paved road. The Google ground coverage quits at pavement's end. Guess Google didn't want to risk its car and crew. Not that I blame them.

 

[Bit of hope]

Jeff Joseph's case is yet another sad missing person's case. I do not have much to add other than if he was killed by someone they must have found a way to get rid of his 1998 Toyota RAV4.

I use a website called carcomplaints so naturally I was curious. It turns out the number one complaint is for the brakes.

Like so many clues though, that could just be another clue that looks like it matters, like his connections to the marijuana growing industry, but does not really matter. I just thought I would put it out there since after reading this thread it does not seem like anyone has talked much about his vehicle.

Refreshing.....could be something simple like that....in The Netherlands we can watch "disappeared" and one case of a missing woman reminds me of this....she went of the road in a very rural, bushy environment and was found days (I can not recall exactly how long it took) still sitting up site down in the car ( and lucky enough still alive). They searched so hard....but couldn't find her at first.

 

[Peaceofmind]

I do not believe with any of my being that jeff went off the road. too coincidental. no one ( his friends ) looked for him because , perhaps they knew what happened to him.. not one call from them, not one fb post, not one search of the roads.... he had a lot of cash on him and a crop worth alot of money... yes. someone got rid of his car. no clue if we will ever know... who knows? maybe it's on private property.

Refreshing.....could be something simple like that....in The Netherlands we can watch "disappeared" and one case of a missing woman reminds me of this....she went of the road in a very rural, bushy environment and was found days (I can not recall exactly how long it took) still sitting up site down in the car ( and lucky enough still alive). They searched so hard....but couldn't find her at first.

 

[Peaceofmind]

i wish i knew how to do that...

Let us not blithely assume all the marijuana growing on Jeff's property is outdoors. An indoor grow would naturally be hidden from our view.

I made another Googling attempt at "driving" in to the property from a paved road. The Google ground coverage quits at pavement's end. Guess Google didn't want to risk its car and crew. Not that I blame them.

 

[Peaceofmind]

He had been to his property many times. There are about 6 properties on that mountain. I just go by the address and APN number. Ive never been there. I know he told me he had about 80 acres... so...... and they could have put greenhouses in. I have no idea how to see what you are talking about, the 2017 grow... Google earth is very difficult for me to navigate.

Thanks. This is very helpful. The property isn't too far off 169. I can see that there isn't really a place on Jeff's property to hide his vehicle and it doesn't appear to be gated. The grow in 2017 isn't as big as I expected and there isn't a lot of room to grow more, although I do see what appears to be a greenhouse. It honestly doesn't seem like enough to "disappear" someone over. However, continuing further up past Jeff's property there is a large multiple greenhouse grow, so I wonder if that was his also. That would be major money. Or, as I mentioned earlier, he could have ended up at the wrong property by mistake if he hadn't been there before.

 

[Peaceofmind]

My friend NorcalAdvocate will be helping me post maps etc in just a bit...

There could have been a larger crop in 2014, but I was mostly looking at the amount of room there is on the property for a bigger grow. I'm used to "flying over" the large "fields of green" in Southern Humboldt, so it's pretty small in comparison and only has one possible greenhouse. The fact that it was relatively small could also make splitting it two or three ways less attractive and create a motive, of course.

I'm a little confused by the 2017 copyright date on google maps. That little plot by the driveway looks more like the mess left over after harvest. I'm not sure if they are even planting yet. The weather hasn't been good. But other 2017 properties nearby have bushy plants, so there must be some variation in when the photos are are taken and copyrighted. I'm pretty sure there is a nifty way to find out. I'll check into it.

Another thought too is that google isn't always accurate when you type in an address. Our former acreage in Humboldt shows up across and further down the road than it is. So it's not definite that the address matches what they are showing as Jeff's property. It could even be the larger spread further up the hill. Maybe Peaceofmind can let us know when she posts her maps.

 

[NorCalAdvocate]

On the left is a map I made showing Jeffs property and the last 3 towers his phone pinged off of in the area that morning. Below I attached google map links for these locations. The map on the right shows the parcel Jeff rented highlighted in cyan, the road leading to the parcel is highlighted in yellow. The parcel ending 9512 you pass through with a small pond is also owned by same owners.
https://goo.gl/maps/jefEw5r74wr Jeffs Rental Property
https://goo.gl/maps/byMxgm8JhXq Bloody Camp Tower
https://goo.gl/maps/DUXq3zPJNeK2 Willow Creek Tower
https://goo.gl/maps/9KBj2wb4nxt 1 ping off this tower in between pings off the tower in Willow Creek

 

[Lilibet]

On the left is a map I made showing Jeffs property and the last 3 towers his phone pinged off of in the area that morning. Below I attached google map links for these locations. The map on the right shows the parcel Jeff rented highlighted in cyan, the road leading to the parcel is highlighted in yellow. The parcel ending 9512 you pass through with a small pond is also owned by same owners.
https://goo.gl/maps/jefEw5r74wr Jeffs Rental Property
https://goo.gl/maps/byMxgm8JhXq Bloody Camp Tower
https://goo.gl/maps/DUXq3zPJNeK2 Willow Creek Tower
https://goo.gl/maps/9KBj2wb4nxt 1 ping off this tower in between pings off the tower in Willow Creek

:welcome: NorCalAdvocate and thank you for all your hard work on this and other cases. I'll be studying these maps carefully.

 

[Lilibet]

Would it be possible to repost this map so that it shows a pin for Jeff's property? There's an odd glitch that references West Haverstraw NY while showing the area of Jeff's property, so no pin shows up. Thanks so much.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/7...2!3m1!1s0x89c2c48ae3dc71a7:0xf03eabb22caddad2

 

[burblestein]

Thanks for the link to using Google Earth, Peaceofmind. I'll study it.

However, I use Google Maps. Once I find a stretch of road I want to "drive", I center it in Map View and zoom about halfway down. I then switch to Earth View and zoom to the max. In some cases, 3-D Ground View will pop into effect from Earth View while you are zooming in tight. If not, click the 3-D button in the lower right. If the view turns to overhead 3-D, zoom in further until Ground View pops in putting you on the road. If you do get to max zoom in 3-D without Ground View, you're out of luck.

Once on the road, the spin arrows at the lower right are usually available to rotate your view. If you click further down the road you are following, a chevron appears on the road; clicking that chevron will move your viewpoint to that spot. If you keep clicking chevrons as they show, you will move along the road. It is also possible in some cases to shift the point of view by holding down the Control key while you click the mouse.

I would add one caution. I do not know the technical requirements for Google Maps. I use the above procedure on an iMac. I don't know if it works on a PC or Linux.

 

[burblestein]

Did I post that faulty map?

 

[burblestein]

There seems to be a faulty internal link in Google that connects Weitchpec and New York. I will try to repost a useful map below.

 

[burblestein]

Try this instead: https://www.google.com/maps/place/1...95bdbce4c82ed6b!8m2!3d41.278765!4d-123.799005

 

[NorCalAdvocate]

:tyou:Lilibet!

I'm not sure why it is directing to New York. Maybe it will fix the issue using the GPS location vs a link to the google map.

Jeffs Rental Property 41.277738, -123.759628
Bloody Camp Tower 41.116320, -123.710603
Willow Creek Tower 40.969692, -123.622303
1 Ping Tower 40.873766, -123.733821

 

[burblestein]

When I click the link in Post # 155, I get Jeff's place on the map and toggle over to Earth View without a problem. Is anyone having trouble with that particular new link I posted? Peaceofmind? NorCalAdvocate? Lilibeth? Anyone?

 

[Lilibet]

Did I post that faulty map?

No, it was the one NorCal posted. Sorry I didn't make that clear.

There seems to be a faulty internal link in Google that connects Weitchpec and New York. I will try to repost a useful map below.

Thanks, but it wasn't your link.

Try this instead: https://www.google.com/maps/place/1...95bdbce4c82ed6b!8m2!3d41.278765!4d-123.799005

This is in a different location than NorCal's. I don't think the 13999 Cappell Rd address you were given matches what NorCal has posted.

:tyou:Lilibet!

I'm not sure why it is directing to New York. Maybe it will fix the issue using the GPS location vs a link to the google map.

Jeffs Rental Property 41.277738, -123.759628
Bloody Camp Tower 41.116320, -123.710603
Willow Creek Tower 40.969692, -123.622303
1 Ping Tower 40.873766, -123.733821

Thanks! The map wasn't NY, just the description next to it, so there wasn't a pin. The cell towers were the same...crazy!
The coordinates brought me closer on Google Map to your photo showing property numbers. The pin shows it is near Mahwah Creek, which is not where the 13999 Cappell Rd address posted earlier by burblestein is. However, on both Google Maps and Google Earth the coordinates you listed kept reverting to different coordinates for some reason. These.... 41°41°16'39.9"N 123°45'34.7"W16'39.9"N 123°45'34.7"W.

The colored map with the property number shows Mahwah Creek running along the lower edge of the property. The new coordinates your coordinates revert to shows the property between Mahwah Creek and Chqui Creek, but well beyond the end of Mahwah Creek, not bordering it.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/41°16'39.9"N+123°45'34.7"W/@41.2709145,-123.7701836,14z

So I'm still not sure where it is. But I would expect that the colored tax lot (?) map with the property number is the most accurate if the information you were given for finding it is accurate. In any case, it's probably not vital to know exactly where the property is. I was just trying to get a sense of the lay of the land and visualize how big the grow might have been out of curiosity.

When I click the link in Post # 155, I get Jeff's place on the map and toggle over to Earth View without a problem. Is anyone having trouble with that particular new link I posted? Peaceofmind? NorCalAdvocate? Lilibeth? Anyone?

The link is fine, but it doesn't match the information posted by NorCal. The 13999 Cappell Rd address linked to your map is further along 169 from Weitchpec and closer to 169 than NorCal's. I don't know how anyone finds anything out in them thar hills. As I mentioned earlier, Google Maps and Earth place our former Humboldt acreage across and further down the road than it was. Our road (not our long driveway) is drivable on Google Street View, surprisingly.

 

[Lilibet]

He had been to his property many times. There are about 6 properties on that mountain. I just go by the address and APN number. Ive never been there. I know he told me he had about 80 acres... so...... and they could have put greenhouses in. I have no idea how to see what you are talking about, the 2017 grow... Google earth is very difficult for me to navigate.

Thanks for telling us that Jeff had been to the property many times. So, we know he didn't get lost and end up on the wrong property at least.

My reference to the 2017 grow had to do with the 2017 copy-write date at the bottom of the Google Map (not Google Earth). I was trying to figure out why some satellite photos of various properties showed big plants, when it's barely planting season right now in 2017. Not important. Just me talking out loud trying to understand how Google dates its photos. That's why I posted the link to Sasquatch's tutorial about Google Earth. Don't give it another thought.

 

[NorCalAdvocate]

13999 Cappell Rd seems to cover a large area up there on Google Maps. It had us looking at a completely different property in the beginning. We only noticed once I got more info about the parcel number & records that we finally found the correct location. The property is very close but outside The Yurok Reservation boundaries. Google Street view only goes so far up 169 as well and then is not available.