CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #10

[mrjitty]

Could it be that Chase was attracted to Summer? I know he has made it clear that he hated her but sometimes tho doth protest too much. The opposite of love is not hate, it’s indifference.

I guarantee you Chase is abusive to the women in his life.

 

[missy1974]

I guarantee you Chase is abusive to the women in his life.

That would be your opinion though right? I have heard zero about him being abusive to the women in his life. Not Cathy, not Michelle, not his daughter, not his sisters.

 

[mrjitty]

I haven't heard much discussion about the pic of CM at the burial site crosses on his phone......

Randomly posed the question to DH and a few family members, "Would you have a pic like that in your phone?"

Pretty much got the same response: Killer had a trophy he could carry around with him. Who carries around a pic like that? If it was for a "book", it would have been on a laptop or computer, but on his phone?
Sick.

I bet he has another trophy.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Dear Prosecution team,
I am still on the fence about your case. I would like to know if you have any witnesses that will attest, under oath, that they have seen Mr. Merritt show violence and rage? Did he or does he have a short fuse? (I have seen no evidence presented on this so far.) I find it hard to believe that there would be no signs of violence in the murderers past. Connman, lire, and thief does not make a man a murderer. If I consider the "serial killer types," they know how to blend in. JJDeAngelo showed the ability to snap and go into a fit of rage reported by his neighbor. JJD stalked and murdered while having 3 daughters. I pray everyday for the McStay family and ask that the murderer be punished for this horrific crime.

Murderers are as individual as the murders they carry out.

Why would prior violence show anything about whether he did THESE murders?

Those with a criminal record often escalate their crimes. It's very common.

He certainly is a habitual victimizer of other humans, and he didnt have one regret either.

In fact he went right on to victimize two other gentlemen, after he had victimized Joey in life, and when he murdered him,

There have been many brutal overkil murders where the defendant had no criminal history whatsoever, not even a parking ticket, yet their first violent acts were to commit brutal homicides.

If that was really a true indicator of anything about who will murder, and who will not, then all of the ones without a violent history nor had a criminal history would never be arrested, and convicted.

Thank goodness that doesn't happen, because jurors know very well, what the defendant may have done or not done in the past.... has absolutely no relevancy to what they are accused of doing NOW.

The state doesnt have to prove a thing to me.

I do think they have entered compelling evidence for his jury showing the accused is the only one who had the MEANS, MOTIVE, and OPPORTUNITY to do these crimes, and no one else.

Jmo

 

[Bernina]

Let's be real here. Many people take photo's of memorial sites and pictures at gravesite's. And since 2014, how many people carry a camera when they have phones capable of taking the pictures? You may not, but lots do. There are a ton of photo's out there of the McStay memorial site, and if you google just "McStay memorial" there are a lot of pictures with a lot of different people, some that knew them, some that didn't. Quite a few with Joey's brother, Mike. What does that mean? It means nothing to me. There are some people here that post that have actually been to the site.... did they take pictures? I bet they did! I know I would if I went. Does that mean they are sick too? Or is only because you think Chase is guilty?

I haven't listened to that testimony yet, was that a photo or was that a screenshot from an article like most of the other "evidence" on his phone?

Talking "trophies". Didn't say "evidence". Don't care how it was put there on his phone. Don't care if it was a screenshot. CM isn't "family". He was an employee. He certainly didn't show up when the memorial was erected. Fact is that is was on his phone.
How many pics of murder victim memorials do you have on your phone?

You wrote "let's be real here". Murderers typically have trophies of their handiwork...that's real, not fiction.

 

[missy1974]

So I went to chat to ask about the upload... AddiLawCrime is the one that uploads it, so I asked her.

Fri Mar 1, 10:44:46am


AddiLawCrime: @missy1974Unfortunately, for the next few weeks, I am going to be behind with updating archives. I have to wait to get the footage, and there is a lot of waiting time, am working on getting up ALL trials as best I can. Everything will be back to normal soon tho, but please bear/bare or whatever it is with me until the issue gets resolved and I can get back to getting the footage I need in a more timely manner.

 

[mrjitty]

Talking "trophies". Didn't say "evidence". Don't care how it was put there on his phone. Don't care if it was a screenshot. CM isn't "family". He was an employee. He certainly didn't show up when the memorial was erected. Fact is that is was on his phone.
How many pics of murder victim memorials do you have on your phone?

You wrote "let's be real here". Murderers typically have trophies of their handiwork...that's real, not fiction.

Wonder if he had photos of Joey when he was like... alive.

The two of them as pals etc

 

[thelmadawg]

Imho, the state got exactly what they wanted the jury to hear when it came to his sister's testimony.

I'm somewhat puzzled that others cant see this was a great witness for the state, since most are longtime trial watchers. This isn't the first family member of a defendant to change their story by any means.

I agree with Force Ten, even though the state didn't call her as a hostile witness publicly, which was a very smart move on their part, she was indeed one.

They knew she was going to give inconsistent statements that favored her brother more now so they let her run run with it. That's priceless testimony for the state.

Imo, based on my own prior experience as a juror, the jury will weigh her first statement to police as the true, and correct one when her memory was much fresher no matter the excuses she gives now. She should have used those excuses when first interviewed years ago.

It seems to be a genetic defect with the Merritt siblings when they say they cant recall a thing about significant events, yet conveniently recall other details.

Or perhaps they all have the same trait as their brother, and tell lies when they think it's to their advantage.

Any family member of the accused is always looked at suspiciously, especially even more so, if they try to change their story in more favor of the accused.

So, imo, I think she was a very good witness for the state.

I can see the jury's eyes rolling when this woman testified.

Jmoo

ITA. And CM watching Maline was beyond priceless.

 

[missy1974]

Talking "trophies". Didn't say "evidence". Don't care how it was put there on his phone. Don't care if it was a screenshot. CM isn't "family". He was an employee. He certainly didn't show up when the memorial was erected. Fact is that is was on his phone.
How many pics of murder victim memorials do you have on your phone?

You wrote "let's be real here". Murderers typically have trophies of their handiwork...that's real, not fiction.

I understand the "trophy" angle. However; if he was not the killer, would it still be as "telling"? It would just be a friend that went to the memorial and took a picture, like many have done. JMO

 

[Alisajo]

whose home was secluded/isolated? the Mcstays had many neighbours

The video of the MacStay's driving to their new home seemed to me that the neighborhood was secluded, maybe cause of the culdesac & the ridge behind the house that gave me that feeling. Maybe Joey took the scenic way, I'll check. I did google Fallbrook and it's huge.

 

[Bernina]

I understand the "trophy" angle. However; if he was not the killer, would it still be as "telling"? It would just be a friend that went to the memorial and took a picture, like many have done. JMO

Hypothetical to a murderer's trophies. Just another brick in the wall if CM is the killer.

 

[Tortoise]

Tortoise, your scenario was chilling especially the poisoning. All the pieces fit.

I wouldn't be surprised if Chase was influential in choosing their secluded/isolated home.

I think the pieces do fit. And it explains why his first cheque was only for a couple of thousand, to make it look like that wouldn't have been a reason to murder him. He even sweated over the $5 difference between the first cheques he didn't cash on the 1st ($2500), and the one he wrote on the 2nd ($2495), IMO. He thought he had the perfect plan.

Plus the mexico searches and the Spanish tapes. I think he had a hand in that too, however subtle, like suggestion. I think it was long thought out.

He's completely evil.

MOO

 

[KALI]

Best post I've seen OBE. Thank you.

Murderers are as individual as the murders they carry out.

Why would prior violence show anything about whether he did THESE murders?

Those with a criminal record often escalate their crimes. It's very common.

He certainly is a habitual victimizer of other humans, and he didnt have one regret either.

In fact he went right on to victimize two other gentlemen, after he had victimized Joey in life, and when he murdered him,

There have been many brutal overkil murders where the defendant had no criminal history whatsoever, not even a parking ticket, yet their first violent acts were to commit brutal homicides.

If that was really a true indicator of anything about who will murder, and who will not, then all of the ones without a violent history nor had a criminal history would never be arrested, and convicted.

Thank goodness that doesn't happen, because jurors know very well, what the defendant may have done or not done in the past.... has absolutely no relevancy to what they are accused of doing NOW.

The state doesnt have to prove a thing to me.

I do think they have entered compelling evidence for his jury showing the accused is the only one who had the MEANS, MOTIVE, and OPPORTUNITY to do these crimes, and no one else.

Jmo

 

[Mony Mony]

IMO, CM carrying around that photo of cross does not necessarily indicate guilt. It could be a momento of his dirty deed, or it could be just a pic of his friend's grave,
Personally, I don't put a lot of emphasis on that.
They did say he had a picture of a bush that was near the graves. Now that is strange. Maybe something was buried there or he was using the bush as some sort of landmark.

 

[Recidivist]

Hypothetical to a murderer's trophies. Just another brick in the wall if CM is the killer.

Every time you say that, the song comes rolling through my head. I love Pink Floyd. Just another brick in the wall.

 

[asyousay]

What evidence convinced you? And I'm not just asking to be cheeky, I really am trying to understand what evidence is convincing those who even if they don't feel the prosecution's case is strong, still believe so strongly in Chase's guilt.

Full disclosure. I was on the fence before trial. Am convinced of Chase's innocence now.

So I'm really trying to understand this better.

The cheques to me prove he did it. Only a person who knew the family were dead would of backdated cheques to when Joey was alive.

I think the way the Gianni and Joey Jr and Summer were killed indicate it was him because of the weapon used and the brute force used.

But I am not convinced he will be found guilty.

 

[KALI]

Yes, Fallbrook is huge. It is an agricultural area with mostly single homes on acreage. There are very few tracts of homes. Joey and Summer's house was in the largest tract of homes here. Inhabited mainly by law enforcement and higher Military. Such as commanders.

Although it's a large development, it is on the very out skirts of the Fallbrook area and surrounded by miles and miles of open space.

It has grown a lot since 2010, as they've added quit a bit of new housing units to it over the last 9 years.

The video of the MacStay's driving to their new home seemed to me that the neighborhood was secluded, maybe cause of the culdesac & the ridge behind the house that gave me that feeling. Maybe Joey took the scenic way, I'll check. I did google Fallbrook and it's huge.

 

[asyousay]

IMO, CM carrying around that photo of cross does not necessarily indicate guilt. It could be a momento of his dirty deed, or it could be just a pic of his friend's grave,
Personally, I don't put a lot of emphasis on that.
They did say he had a picture of a bush that was near the graves. Now that is strange. Maybe something was buried there or he was using the bush as some sort of landmark.

I find it strange that he would carry around a photo of the grave site . If he was Joeys best friend like he claimed surely he would want photos of a happier time of them all together?

Why would he want to remember the worst time of his best fiends life?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I haven't heard much discussion about the pic of CM at the burial site crosses on his phone......

Randomly posed the question to DH and a few family members, "Would you have a pic like that in your phone?"

Pretty much got the same response: Killer had a trophy he could carry around with him. Who carries around a pic like that? If it was for a "book", it would have been on a laptop or computer, but on his phone?
Sick.

I found that part so chilling.

I agree, he wanted to look at the pic so he could relive his crimes ove ,and over again.

Even after he had already murdered them all he still seethed with abnormal anger, rage, and hatred.

That showed through when he relished in trashing Summer to everyone who would listen.

Killing them all wasn't enough for him. He had to continue to victimize.

All of this does give us a creepy glimpse into his mindset even after murdering them all.

IMO, He certainly has traits of a psychopath. This is how he was able to con victims for years with ease. No conscience.

Its how he was capable of murderering 4 people. They have no emotions or feelings/attachments for others, other than themselves.

They do fake or try to mimic normalcy by watching what other people do.

Even that may come across as strange, when they do it at times, because a person has to feel it, for it to be believed, as a normal response.

A perfect example is when he saw nothing wrong whatsoever with trashing Summer publicly for all to hear, when anyone who is not a psychopath would know that is very bizarre response, Especially when someone's best friend, and his entire family had vanished.

Yet he thought it was perfectly acceptable to do.

Like Mrjitty said, he felt entitled to do everything he did.

 

[mrjitty]

That would be your opinion though right? I have heard zero about him being abusive to the women in his life. Not Cathy, not Michelle, not his daughter, not his sisters.

Due to websleuths rules, I will say it is my opinion yes