CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #11

[citygirl]

I believe all of us here want the same thing, for the killer or killers responsible to be convicted. What it comes down to is different individuals have different interpretations of the evidence, this can be attributed to our different backgrounds, life experiences, socioeconomic status, interactions with law enforcement, just to list a few of the different reasons causing us to have different perceptions of the same set of circumstances.

So, when I defend CM, please don’t take it personal it’s not that I like the guy or have an agenda, I just happen to be very a skeptical person, this causes me to be critical in my analysis of circumstances that I don’t have first hand knowledge of.

One need only listen to his mother's testimony, IMO . She sets the stage. Joey's business and Joey's state of mind at the time. He had eased DK out and was poised to do the same with CM. It was coming.
What really frosts me is that CM brazenly extracted MONEY from the grieving mother. Under the auspices of keeping the business going. AND NEVER PAID HER BACK.

 

[travelbug]

"The only person who has shown any inkling or hatred towards the family is Chase."
Are you forgetting about the direct threat that DK made towards JM?

Not to mention Sequieda calling Joey a "crook" during testimony.

 

[Bernina]

How much money total did CM receive from Susan Blake for "fountain stuff"? I listened to her testimony and she did not mention all the amounts and the checks weren't shown. Tnx.

 

[missy1974]

BBM

Patrick says in his book that after the disappearance, he and Gina began looking closely at CM because she knew him from the waterfall industry. According to her CM had a horrible reputation. As many will remember Gina W. was a friend of Joey's who worked for one of his suppliers. So I would say he had burned bridges with others in the business.

MOO

I don't doubt this at all, and I am guessing it was long before Feb 2010. JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

A few hours after they were missing, he knew/thought they were dead? That would be a bit of a dramatic conclusion to jump to would it not?

ITA!

Why in the world would anyone assume such a thing?

No one even knew they were missing then. The woman at MSM asked CM where Joey could be.

He is the one who acted like it wasnt a big deal, and when he got around to it he would check on Joey at the end of the week, many days later. Yet this is the same man who talked to Joey several times every single day?

BUT now he was suppose to have known all along from day one they had been murdered yet said nothing????

Did he immediately tell the family this, and call the police? Best friends call the police themselves many times if their best friend goes missing, so why didnt he?

Why did he move the dog bowls around trying to leave the false impression they were just away somewhere? It sure sounds like he did know they had all been murdered, and was covering up for the murders HE had committed.

The only way CM would have known they had all been murdered would be because he had done the murders himself, which he did.

That is why he was helping himself to Joey's money, defiling Joey's once happy home by being there uninvited, but by that time the owners were unable to stop him. They were all dead by then, killed by the sledgehammer he had swung against them all.

Dead men have no way of stopping anyone from stealing from them, and CM knew that all too well.

Imo

 

[missy1974]

Not to mention Sequieda calling Joey a "crook" during testimony.

It was actually his Dad. Dave Sequieda Sr. He didn't testify though. Not for the prosecution anyway. No clue if he is on the defense list.

 

[QueenBofOB]

I believe all of us here want the same thing, for the killer or killers responsible to be convicted. What it comes down to is different individuals have different interpretations of the evidence, this can be attributed to our different backgrounds, life experiences, socioeconomic status, interactions with law enforcement, just to list a few of the different reasons causing us to have different perceptions of the same set of circumstances.

So, when I defend CM, please don’t take it personal it’s not that I like the guy or have an agenda, I just happen to be very a skeptical person, this causes me to be critical in my analysis of circumstances that I don’t have first hand knowledge of.

Well, for me, it's not "interactions with law enforcement," that has led to my conclusion of who the guilty party is. Rather, it's been my unfortunate interactions with a couple of ex-convicts and knowing how they think. For the most part, they are ALWAYS working a situation and looking to benefit, from someone letting their guard down or foolishly trusting them.

 

[missy1974]

How much money total did CM receive from Susan Blake for "fountain stuff"? I listened to her testimony and she did not mention all the amounts and the checks weren't shown. Tnx.

And if anyone finds that out... I would like to know how much he was paid in total for the Saudi job, including the cheques he wrote himself lol

I don't know if we have this available, but I do know how much the Saudi job was in total ($61,542.50, which appears to have been paid on Jan. 15/10) I saved the invoice/purchase order awhile back when I found it in the old threads, might have to take a snip of it show it but am not sure the quality will be that great since the quality of the copy I have isn't the best *sigh* Now that I understand what Joey was doing with paying Chase, I would be curious to know how much MSM was paid and how much Chase was paid in full as well.

 

[fridaybaker]

This is such a good point. Who knows when the car was parked there for sure? I always questioned that but didn't have a handle on the size of the parking lot. Sounded as though there were 2 areas patrolled by one person? And maybe they were parked in the more obvious area? Talk of feeling hoods to see if the motors were still warm. Was every parking attendant dedicated to doing the right thing? I wonder.

These points about the "security monitored parking lot" are excellent. I have LOTS of experience with professionally "monitored" parking lots! No pun intended. Very often, those doing the monitoring are doing LOTS (there it is again!) of other things whilst said monitoring is supposedly going on, but certainly wouldn't want the lot manager/owner to know how lax they've been. They aren't going to advertise that they don't patrol as frequently as they're contracted to. Some do things like rent out spaces behind the manager/owner's back, some take bribes, some are just lax. This is my experience. I'm not saying that's what happened here, but it would surprise me not to know the security company was lax.

However, my calculations don't find the time required to go down, plant the Trooper, and get back all that tight, especially if someone helped him. I guess we could look at bus times, which I think was done in earlier threads, but if he had access to a vehicle, I think it could be done without difficulty.

 

[wary]

ITA!

Why in the world would anyone assume such a thing?

No one even knew they were missing then. The woman at MSM asked CM where Joey could be.

He is the one who acted like it wasnt a big deal, and when he got around to it he would check on Joey at the end of the week, many days later. Yet this is the same man who talked to Joey several times every single day?

Yet now he was suppose to have known all along from day one they had been murdered yet said nothing????

Did he immediately tell the family this, and call the police? Best friends call the police themselves many times if their best friend goes missing, so why didnt he?

Why did he move the dog bowls around trying to leave the false impression they were just away somewhere? It sure sounds like he did know they had all been murdered, and was covering up for the murders HE had committed.

The only way CM would have known they had all been murdered would be because he had done the murders himself, which he did.

That is why he was helping himself to Joey's money, defiling Joey's once happy home by being there uninvited, but by that time the owners were unable to stop him.

Dead men have no way of stopping anyone from stealing from them, and CM knew that all too well.

Imo

What is the story with the dog bowls? I’d assumed that the dogs themselves might have been moving them around.

 

[Texas Red]

One need only listen to his mother's testimony, IMO . She sets the stage. Joey's business and Joey's state of mind at the time. He had eased DK out and was poised to do the same with CM. It was coming.
What really frosts me is that CM brazenly extracted MONEY from the grieving mother. Under the auspices of keeping the business going. AND NEVER PAID HER BACK.

I hear you and I understand where you're coming from, I certainly wouldn't argue that CM didn't have motive. I supposed the biggest issue I have is there's been no reliable evidence that ties him to the crime scene or the bodies.

 

[Texas Red]

And if anyone finds that out... I would like to know how much he was paid in total for the Saudi job, including the cheques he wrote himself lol

I don't know if we have this available, but I do know how much the Saudi job was in total ($61,542.50, which appears to have been paid on Jan. 15/10) I saved the invoice/purchase order awhile back when I found it in the old threads, might have to take a snip of it show it but am not sure the quality will be that great since the quality of the copy I have isn't the best *sigh* Now that I understand what Joey was doing with paying Chase, I would be curious to know how much MSM was paid and how much Chase was paid in full as well.

The accounting is so convoluted that I don't think we'll ever know.

 

[Force Ten]

Has DK ever had an interview where he disparaged Joey's wife, and their little children before or after they were all found murdered? Tia!

Every defense who picks the SODDI defense needs a scapegoat, and sadly DK is the target in this particular case.

Anybody will do as long as they can place blame on someone else, rather than the guilty one.

It's a ruse often used by defendants, and their DT.

Imo

I think the jury is going to see right through this tactic.

 

[wary]

RSBM
The other problem is other potential suspects, DK was never investigated properly, I’ve heard no testimony or forensics that place him in Hawaii durning the time of the murders other than an online reservation that he made, there were no checks to see if he was actually on the plane, or where he stayed, really!

I think we can all agree that San Diego County did a poor job of investigating.

Have we heard any testimony as to what San Bernardino did in the way of investigating DK’s alibi? I don’t remember that.

So—the defense would ask the SD investigator about DK, because they know the answer is weak. (Saw that he had tickets.)

So—why does the defense NOT ask the SB investigators about DK? (Assuming that my memory is correct.) I think that the most likely reason is that the answer would not help their case.

Why the prosecution doesn’t present more about DK in their main case? I think it’s not an appropriate part of their main case. Just imagine how long this trial would have run if they’d presented details of all the blind alleys they investigated.

If the prosecution has any material that shows that DK has an alibi, the appropriate place for it, I think, is in rebuttal. That’s assuming that the defense presents evidence relating to DK. We’ll find out soon.

 

[Longtimenoc]

I hear you and I understand where you're coming from, I certainly wouldn't argue that CM didn't have motive. I supposed the biggest issue I have is there's been no reliable evidence that ties him to the crime scene or the bodies.

Evidence from house in graves plus evidence of CM in house (chase merritt check attempt).

 

[travelbug]

Joey does not strike me as someone that would keep a fiscal year. IMO/MOO, Joey just went by calendar year.

Could be, but I don't know that either lol

IMO Joey was very fiscally astute. In the majority of sales oriented businesses, especially when your product is a specialty item, you choose a fiscal year that works with your high and low sales periods. You don't want to owe taxes at a time when you are short on revenue. Joey may have also used a fiscal year that corresponded with his business or partnership date inception. jmho

 

[Texas Red]

Evidence from house in graves plus evidence of CM in house (chase merritt check attempt).

I don't see how the items from the house being found in the graves implicates CM. The check attempt comes from data retrieved from the desktop computer however, not until after it was removed from the house by MM and then latter retrieved from him be LE.

 

[missy1974]

I think we can all agree that San Diego County did a poor job of investigating.

Have we heard any testimony as to what San Bernardino did in the way of investigating DK’s alibi? I don’t remember that.

So—the defense would ask the SD investigator about DK, because they know the answer is weak. (Saw that he had tickets.)

So—why does the defense NOT ask the SB investigators about DK? (Assuming that my memory is correct.) I think that the most likely reason is that the answer would not help their case.

Why the prosecution doesn’t present more about DK in their main case? I think it’s not an appropriate part of their main case. Just imagine how long this trial would have run if they’d presented details of all the blind alleys they investigated.

If the prosecution has any material that shows that DK has an alibi, the appropriate place for it, I think, is in rebuttal. That’s assuming that the defense presents evidence relating to DK. We’ll find out soon.

I do think they asked the SB investigators about DK, probably Smith, but may have been Hanke.

The prosecution didn't want to spend anymore time on DK than they had to, and they only had to when the defense asked questions on cross, the one's the judge allowed, which they did with many of the witnesses. Just off the top of my head, DK was mentioned in Susan's, Mike's, McGyver's, David Sequieda's, Carmen's, both Geis employee's, Dugal's, Smith's, Hanke's, oh and T-Mobile guy who verified DK's phone records... there may be more, but some witnesses wouldn't have any knowledge of DK.

I think if the defense doesn't call Dan, then maybe we will see something in rebuttal, if he does testify, it would be in cross IMO

 

[Texas Red]

I think we can all agree that San Diego County did a poor job of investigating.

Have we heard any testimony as to what San Bernardino did in the way of investigating DK’s alibi? I don’t remember that.

So—the defense would ask the SD investigator about DK, because they know the answer is weak. (Saw that he had tickets.)

So—why does the defense NOT ask the SB investigators about DK? (Assuming that my memory is correct.) I think that the most likely reason is that the answer would not help their case.

Why the prosecution doesn’t present more about DK in their main case? I think it’s not an appropriate part of their main case. Just imagine how long this trial would have run if they’d presented details of all the blind alleys they investigated.

If the prosecution has any material that shows that DK has an alibi, the appropriate place for it, I think, is in rebuttal. That’s assuming that the defense presents evidence relating to DK. We’ll find out soon.

" (Saw that he had tickets.)"
They never even determined he had tickets, only that he had an online reservation.

 

[Cricket28]

Thanks I found them after... reading the tweets, I recalled hearing some of it but not what @Mica was looking for.

I may have missed some posts while trying to catch up... so I apologize if this part has already been discussed. But maybe the confusion over the bounced check during SB's testimony is this:

Leticia Juarez‏ @ABC7Leticia


Blake said she did not receive any funds from the fountains because they were not completed. She signed checks for the business.

2:30 PM - 8 Jan 2019

Leticia Juarez‏ @ABC7Leticia


She only wrote checks for six to seven weeks on the business but did not view bank statements.

2:31 PM - 8 Jan 2019

Leticia Juarez‏ @ABC7Leticia


Maline approaches Blake with a document to refresh her memory. He asks if she calls issuing a check for $2K. The check bounced.

2:33 PM - 8 Jan 2019

Leticia Juarez‏ @ABC7Leticia


The check was drawn from McStay's Earth Inspired Products business at Chase Bank.

2:34 PM - 8 Jan 2019

Leticia Juarez‏ @ABC7Leticia


Defense asks if anyone was helping Blake run the business like Michael McStay. She said she can't recall.

2:36 PM - 8 Jan 2019

Leticia Juarez‏ @ABC7Leticia


Defense asked if she was helping to keep the business going why wasn't she aware of the balance.

2:37 PM - 8 Jan 2019

Leticia Juarez‏ @ABC7Leticia


Defense asked if Blake knew Kavanaugh withdrew bank account. Prosecution objects on speculation. The judge sustains.

2:39 PM - 8 Jan 2019

Leticia Juarez‏ @ABC7Leticia


Blake said she closed the bank account and funds went to Jonah McStay, her son's firstborn.

2:39 PM - 8 Jan 2019

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