CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #11

[katydid23]

KAYE: Joseph also knew how to spot talent and he believed he'd found it in welder Chase Merritt.


MERRITT: Joseph owned his own business and I owned mind. I manufactured costumed handle (ph) waterfalls and he bought the waterfalls from me.


This waterfall in to the understanding that you're going to have a designated switch.


We are anticipating probably a 1.5 million in sales for 2010.


KAYE: While they meet through business, the two quickly became close friends.

MERRITT: We talked constantly. We played paintball together all the time. He came down and have dinner with me and my family once or twice a week, virtually every week. Joseph was my best friend.


KAYE: How was he to work with?


MERRITT: He is incredible. Joseph was probably one of the nicest people I have ever met. He'd give you the shirt off his back. He was just nice guy.


KAYE: So nice, Joseph soon began lending Chase money when Chase started having trouble and making end meet.


...snipped....

And there was just this like rolling ledger.


KAYE: Chase's debt kept climbing, creating big problems for Joseph's business.


WATSON: Joseph would take ahead if they had a chart (inaudible). If somebody wasn't happy with the work, he'd already paid Chase as part of it.


So when the chart back into the account, it only hurt Joseph and I think it totals about $100,000 worth of mistakes that Chase owed him for.


KAYE: Gina grew so concerned she warned Joseph that Chase was bad news.


WATSON: I did raised concerns about Chase that he would use materials that were cheaper or sometimes he would leave somebody high and dry without the fountain or without fixing it.


And Joseph really felt that he could control that aspect of Chase. KAYE: He didn't seem to have any concerns at the time?


WATSON: No. He really kind of blew me off.


KAYE: Joseph's wife Summer was no fan of Chase's either.


WATSON: I know that he wasn't fan of her. I know she wasn't fan of him.

MERRITT: Joseph loved her to death. You know, he thought she walked on the water. Honestly, I thought she was egotistical. I thought she thought her deep instinct and Joseph could do better.


KAYE: But Joseph and Summer were committed to building a life together with their two boys. And that meant moving out of their cramped apartment.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1502/10/csr.01.html

 

[Mica]

Key word: POTENTIAL (crime scene)

I thought y'all were against a police state.

I’m going by what the warrant stated. Nobody should have been in the home cleaning and removing items until the home was properly searched being foul play was suspected. Even McGyver agrees.

 

[Tortoise]

MERRITT: We talked constantly. We played paintball together all the time. He came down and have dinner with me and my family once or twice a week, virtually every week. Joseph was my best friend.

See that is alarming with what we know of Joey getting sick.

I recall reading or watching on the video that he also said he advised Joey to stop eating at home or wtte.

Paintball would have been an excellent way of monitoring how weak Joey was becoming too.

JMO

 

[missy1974]

See that is alarming with what we know of Joey getting sick.

I recall reading or watching on the video that he also said he advised Joey to stop eating at home or wtte.

Paintball would have been an excellent way of monitoring how weak Joey was becoming too.

JMO

IIRC he was not the only one that had implied or said that, it was mentioned and talked about very early on.

I actually came across a photo of some of the meds they took out of his truck last night, I had never really looked at it before. I would be curious to know if he was on those meds all the time or if they were empty. I am pretty sure one of them said prednisone, which comes with some side effects. JMO

 

[Mica]

Mica do we know if Dan had knowledge of this prior to February 4th?

Because it sounds rather like what Chase told the detectives on Feb 17th, that Joey gave him his credit card number to buy a new version of QuickBooks. Do you think Chase could have said the same thing to Dan so that he would repeat it and it would corroborate his version?

Tortoise, I don’t know if Dan had knowledge prior to the 4th. He didn’t specifically say. Dan made the comment in the cbs8 interview with David Gotfredson. IMO, I don’t think Dan would say anything that would corroborate Chase’s version. He was suggesting theft with the comment, and that Chase might have been involved with the murders.

I’d like to know how Dan had access to the PayPal account (as early as the 6th and 8th) and prior to the family being reported as missing. There was a ledger Bessie posted in the basement of Paypal transactions. It didn’t show any transactions initiated by Dan in the weeks prior to Feb. 4th.

 

[Tortoise]

Tortoise, I don’t know if Dan had knowledge prior to the 4th. He didn’t specifically say. Dan made the comment in the cbs8 interview with David Gotfredson. IMO, I don’t think Dan would say anything that would corroborate Chase’s version. He was suggesting theft with the comment, and that Chase might have been involved with the murders.

I’d like to know how Dan had access to the PayPal account (as early as the 6th and 8th) and prior to the family being reported as missing. There was a ledger Bessie posted in the basement of Paypal transactions. It didn’t show any transactions initiated by Dan in the weeks prior to Feb. 4th.

Thank you Mica.

I'm trying to understand why vendors would have Joey's credit card or credit card number. It seems MSM at least had to wait for cheque reimbursement from Joey for supplies and materials.

 

[Longtimenoc]

BBM And deletes all prior and subsequent cheques too, which Joey had never done.

Some people are overlooking the prior cheques created and deleted on the 1st and the 2nd, and the cashed cheque on the 2nd, which is the blueprint for the post murder cheque writing on the 4th, 5th and 8th.

So now we have -

the desktop being backdated (overlooking that Mikey only took the laptop), to add a cheque created and deleted on the 4th,
in the exact blueprint of the cheque created and deleted on a non-McStay computer and CASHED by Chase on the 2nd,
a failed print job at the house also to backdate,
the compromising of Intuit's servers (leaving no audit trail),
Chase creating cheques in the same blueprint again on the 5th and the 8th on a non-McStay computer
AND Chase being the one who calls to get the QuickBooks deleted from their servers on the 9th because Joey wanted to hide his wealth from....Summer.

Ok then. Pretzel anyone? You'll have to hurry because the bag's nearly empty.

Lol thats funny. How twisted up things get when you suit the facts to your beliefs.

So I tried a thought experiment last night while watching a couple episodes of Forensic Files. At the beginning of each episode I decided to pretend that I had some sort of inside knowledge that the suspect was innocent no matter what the evidence. So that meant discounting all of the science, the police integrity, crime scene analysis data, witness testimony etc. Watched along and invented at times bizarre reasons why everything was tainted or invalid.

Enjoyed my pretzel logic for awhile but must say its mentally exhausting. Just because you really want to believe something to be a fact doesn't make it so.

 

[missy1974]

Thank you Mica.

I'm trying to understand why vendors would have Joey's credit card or credit card number. It seems MSM at least had to wait for cheque reimbursement from Joey for supplies and materials.

I don't know about in the States, but I know that here in Canada, to get an account or to order from some wholesale businesses, a credit card has to be on file. IIRC Joey had his paypal not only connected to his bank account, but also his CC or CC's. I can't recall but I'm guessing that people could also use PayPal to purchase the waterfalls online? If I was given the option, I would pay through PayPal, they have some safeguards in place and IMO it would be safer to make an online purchase. JMO

 

[katydid23]

why didnt Gina Watson testify?

 

[Longtimenoc]

I’m going by what the warrant stated. Nobody should have been in the home cleaning and removing items until the home was properly searched being foul play was suspected. Even McGyver agrees.

I think mom was scared and had nervous energy to burn. Surely she had no idea of where her family had gone. The events are beyond anyones imagination. I feel so sorry for her.

 

[Force Ten]

why didnt Gina Watson testify?

She wasn't subpoenaed.

 

[Bernina]

I hope you continue to listen to the testimony. How could CM cash a cheque that would have been made out to MSM? I believe that 'argument' was about the insurance cheque or insurance project that they redid. Sequieda in his testimony makes it VERY clear that Joey and only Joey paid them, not Chase. Carmen said the same.

Nope, you've misconstrued that. Joey was the money man, Chase was the "sometimes" means of delivery for checks.

At least 2 checks given to CM to give to MSM were not received, one incident involved Sequieda Sr. going off on CM, after verifying check was given to CM by JM, and CM spent it on "supplies" instead. 20.00
JM (JM paid) used mail or CM to deliver checks to MSM. 13.50
JM gave MSM fountain orders via email. 15.00
MSM advised JM that partnership would end if Merritt wasn't out of the picture. 18.00
Whether insurance check (though it is NOT mentioned in these questions/responses) or not, there are ways to cash them. You're not thinking like a criminal. Something as simple as 3rd party checks. Forging the payee signature and pay to the order of Chase Merritt, I'm sure CM had places who knew him and would cash it. Other check cashing places that would take 10% of face value.
Sequeida said CM and Sequeida Sr. clashed quite a few times..

 

[Longtimenoc]

Merritt was trying to make it look like business as usual and didn't want any problems from those guys. He probably operated under some delusion that things would go on, JMs fate a minor glitch in the grand scheme.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

KAYE: Joseph also knew how to spot talent and he believed he'd found it in welder Chase Merritt.


MERRITT: Joseph owned his own business and I owned mind. I manufactured costumed handle (ph) waterfalls and he bought the waterfalls from me.


This waterfall in to the understanding that you're going to have a designated switch.


We are anticipating probably a 1.5 million in sales for 2010.


KAYE: While they meet through business, the two quickly became close friends.

MERRITT: We talked constantly. We played paintball together all the time. He came down and have dinner with me and my family once or twice a week, virtually every week. Joseph was my best friend.


KAYE: How was he to work with?


MERRITT: He is incredible. Joseph was probably one of the nicest people I have ever met. He'd give you the shirt off his back. He was just nice guy.


KAYE: So nice, Joseph soon began lending Chase money when Chase started having trouble and making end meet.


...snipped....

And there was just this like rolling ledger.


KAYE: Chase's debt kept climbing, creating big problems for Joseph's business.


WATSON: Joseph would take ahead if they had a chart (inaudible). If somebody wasn't happy with the work, he'd already paid Chase as part of it.


So when the chart back into the account, it only hurt Joseph and I think it totals about $100,000 worth of mistakes that Chase owed him for.


KAYE: Gina grew so concerned she warned Joseph that Chase was bad news.


WATSON: I did raised concerns about Chase that he would use materials that were cheaper or sometimes he would leave somebody high and dry without the fountain or without fixing it.


And Joseph really felt that he could control that aspect of Chase. KAYE: He didn't seem to have any concerns at the time?


WATSON: No. He really kind of blew me off.


KAYE: Joseph's wife Summer was no fan of Chase's either.


WATSON: I know that he wasn't fan of her. I know she wasn't fan of him.

MERRITT: Joseph loved her to death. You know, he thought she walked on the water. Honestly, I thought she was egotistical. I thought she thought her deep instinct and Joseph could do better.


KAYE: But Joseph and Summer were committed to building a life together with their two boys. And that meant moving out of their cramped apartment.
CNN.com - Transcripts

I find all of this so extremely sad.

Yes, I totally believe Joey was a very nice man. One who would give the shirt off of his back to help someone else.

I think this is one of the reasons this case is so incredibly sad.

Another example of very good people being destroyed when crossing paths with pure evil.

I've read about psychopaths knowing how to select their targets. They seem to have this uncanny ability to spot what they call easy targets, even sizing them up by the way they walk.

I think CM immediately knew Joey was an easygoing mild mannered man when he saw him at the Home and Garden show.

He probably had selected other targets at these shows he believed he could easily scam with his con games.

Katy. When is the defense suppose to start their case? Tia

I think what will be interesting to watch for is how the DT tries to limit the scope on direct, trying to cutoff the state from bringing out other evidence before the jury through these witnesses.

Jmo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Merritt was trying to make it look like business as usual and didn't want any problems from those guys. He probably operated under some delusion that things would go on, JMs fate a minor glitch in the grand scheme.

ITA!

CM is such a narcissist, imo, I think he truly believed, once Joey was gone, Joey's family members would rush to him begging him to run the business.

Imo

 

[citygirl]

I just watched the defense OS again.Couple questions. Was there an unidentified print in the Trooper? And is he inferring that there was a knife used and is nowhere to be found? Also, at the end he mentioned Mr.Maline would be addressing another issue ( assume he was talking about implicating DK). Looked as though he turned to Maline like Maline was gonna make some of the opening statement. That didn't happen, though? McGee's whole demeanor is very engaging. And his OS was very organized.

 

[QueenBofOB]

I find all of this so extremely sad.

Yes, I totally believe Joey was a very nice man. One who would give the shirt off of his back to help someone else.

I think this is one of the reasons this case is so incredibly sad.

Another example of very good people being destroyed when crossing paths with pure evil.

I've read about psychopaths knowing how to select their targets. They seem to have this uncanny ability to spot what they call easy targets, even sizing them up by the way they walk.

I think CM immediately knew Joey was an easygoing mild mannered man when he saw him at the Home and Garden show.

He probably had selected other targets at these shows he believed he could easily scam with his con games.

Katy. When is the defense suppose to start their case? Tia

I think what will be interesting to watch for is how the DT tries to limit the scope on direct, trying to cutoff the state from bringing out other evidence before the jury through these witnesses.

Jmo

I'm seriously hoping, that PM, SB & DK get a chance to blurt some incriminating comments out (towards CM), before the jury. Whether the judge gets whatever stricken from the record or not.

 

[katydid23]

I just watched the defense OS again.Couple questions. Was there an unidentified print in the Trooper? And is he inferring that there was a knife used and is nowhere to be found? Also, at the end he mentioned Mr.Maline would be addressing another issue ( assume he was talking about implicating DK). Looked as though he turned to Maline like Maline was gonna make some of the opening statement. That didn't happen, though? McGee's whole demeanor is very engaging. And his OS was very organized.

Strangely enough, Maline did make the last half of the OS. But the cameras left before he began his statement, so we don't get to see what was said. Cathy Russon took a little bit with a cell phone, showing him discussing Dan K's girlfriend, and her upcoming testimony, about his confession.

 

[asyousay]

I think mom was scared and had nervous energy to burn. Surely she had no idea of where her family had gone. The events are beyond anyones imagination. I feel so sorry for her.

That’s not a excuse though imo

She was told by McD not to clean as she could be wiping evidence and she still did. That’s wrong whichever you look at it.

It’s common sense and her family had completely vanished so of course so in today’s world we all know about forensic and on so.

 

[fridaybaker]

IIRC he was not the only one that had implied or said that, it was mentioned and talked about very early on.

I actually came across a photo of some of the meds they took out of his truck last night, I had never really looked at it before. I would be curious to know if he was on those meds all the time or if they were empty. I am pretty sure one of them said prednisone, which comes with some side effects. JMO

Missy, Prednisone does have some side effects, but most common wouldn't be the ones we've heard about: "Wooziness". Possible, of course, but it more usually has the effect of energizing someone. It's very "activating", generally. Of course, this all depends on dosage, length of use, how one reacts to it on an individual basis, etc. However, it's just not typical of what one usually thinks of as steroid (the Prednisone kind) effects. All, FWIW which, likely isn't much!