CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #12

[cobalt sky]

Joey's conversation with Patrick isn't proof of whether Chase showed up.

It's not a theory of mine that Chase lured him up there. I think Joey went up there to see him.

Even if Joey told someone on his way back, 'Chase didn't show up, I'm waiting for his explanation for money that's missing out of my bank account' do you think Chase the glib-tongued conman can't explain his way out of that once Joey's not around anymore to allege theft?

'$2495 - it's money he owed me on the paul mitchell project, Joey signed it he must have forgotten he gave it to me, do you think I'd steal that amount when I could have written a cheque for $90,000 and run off with it...blah blah.

All he had to do was say yes Joey thought there was a problem but we resolved it later over the phone and he realised he'd made a mistake. 'Missing' (dead) men and their missing dead wives can't talk.

JMO

Except none of this happened. So to me it seems most likely that they did meet for lunch, or at least met up somewhere and spent some time together, doing what is the question. IMO.

 

[cobalt sky]

I have no doubt that there was a deal. I just can't help but wonder why? Not suggesting anything nefarious. But ,IMO, SA is a rich nation with many qualified people. Just seems odd to me.

It has puzzled many of us for many years.

IMO.

 

[citygirl]

I totally agree, I have a lot of questions about the whole Saudi Arabia project. But here's the thing, Joey told several people that there was a Saudi deal, and that Chase was going there to install the project. Patrick, Dan, McGyver, MSM, Mike...all knew about it before the disappearance. So if Chase had something shady going on re: the Saudi deal then at the very least Joey was complicit as well.

And IMO it seems unlikely that Chase would have been allowed into the country of SA but I could be wrong. I would think that Joey and Chase would have secured a passport for and verified permission to enter Saudi BEFORE investing the TIME and MONEY into a fountain that Chase might not have been cleared to travel to install. But we know that Chase didn't even have a passport upon completion of the project, Susan had to front him the money for one. (If he even used that money to get one, I don't know).

In the end I have no idea if Chase really went to Saudi or not, this is yet another thing that would be super easy for LE to clarify, there would be documentation via his passport (if he got one). Maybe we will hear more about this in court. All IMO.

I hope so. Can't help thinking it was a pipe dream.

 

[travelbug]

I think that tail deprived kitten tells a different story.

Do you have evidence, from a verifiable source, that can prove that incident actually occurred?? If so, please post it, or acknowledge it is hearsay when you make the statement.

 

[HelenK]

He never said they came to his home for dinner. So I think he was only referring to Joey.

It did make me wonder why he said they met at CFL instead of Joey meeting him at his home since according to CM, Joey had done that often.

Jmo

Chase said in the Daily Mail interview that he would be having dinner with Joey at a restaurant, and Summer would be calling him constantly. If they had dinner together at all, it is highly doubtful that she would have been there with them.

That being said, I'm also dubious that he and Joey ate dinner together as often as Chase is implying. Rather, I can see Joey more often than not wrapping up his work day and blasting off for Fallbrook to be with his wife and babies. Chase certainly wants to create the impression that they were fast friends. I don't buy it. And I can't see Joey telling Chase "everything" about this private life, which Merritt claims. What he is claiming is the way he wanted it to be, not what the reality was. The bottom line is, I do not believe one thing that comes out of that man's mouth, especially in regard to Summer.

 

[citygirl]

Chase said in the Daily Mail interview that he would be having dinner with Joey at a restaurant, and Summer would be calling him constantly. If they had dinner together at all, it is highly doubtful that she would have been there with them.

That being said, I'm also dubious that he and Joey ate dinner together as often as Chase is implying. Rather, I can see Joey more often than not wrapping up his work day and blasting off for Fallbrook to be with his wife and babies. Chase certainly wants to create the impression that they were fast friends. I don't buy it. And I can't see Joey telling Chase "everything" about this private life, which Merritt claims. What he is claiming is the way he wanted it to be, not what the reality was. The bottom line is, I do not believe one thing that comes out of that man's mouth, especially in regard to Summer.

BBM. I agree. Doubt he ever had meals at Chases's home.

 

[HelenK]

I hope so. Can't help thinking it was a pipe dream.

Apparently documentation exists showing that he did indeed go there. However, who knows, it might be bogus.

 

[cobalt sky]

Chase said in the Daily Mail interview that he would be having dinner with Joey at a restaurant, and Summer would be calling him constantly. If they had dinner together at all, it is highly doubtful that she would have been there with them.

That being said, I'm also dubious that he and Joey ate dinner together as often as Chase is implying. Rather, I can see Joey more often than not wrapping up his work day and blasting off for Fallbrook to be with his wife and babies. Chase certainly wants to create the impression that they were fast friends. I don't buy it. And I can't see Joey telling Chase "everything" about this private life, which Merritt claims. What he is claiming is the way he wanted it to be, not what the reality was. The bottom line is, I do not believe one thing that comes out of that man's mouth, especially in regard to Summer.

This is all very interesting speculation but at the end of the day we don't really know and it's not really relevant to the case. All we know is that Joey and Chase were close friends and business associates. It's not uncommon for men of certain demographics to trash each other's "old ladies". I don't care for it either but it doesn't make Chase a killer. IMO.

 

[Bernina]

And how ODD was it, in an email to CJ, that he claimed to have "met some Taliban" and went on to say how nice they were--or something to that effect, when he was in S.A. Does anyone actually believe, that members of the Taliban go around introducing themselves to total strangers?

If I remember my history right, Saudi Arabia cut ties with the Taliban in late 1990's, maybe 2000, when they refused to hand over Bin Laden. I'm pretty sure that continued through his death in 2011. I don't believe Taliban would have been openly mingling in the streets of Saudi Arabia and introducing themselves to foreigners.
I want to see CM's passport. Saudi's had a strict policy about convicted felons entering their country.
Even if CM was done with his probation/parole, didn't he have unpaid back taxes, and possibly back child support owed? That's another "no go" when applying for a passport.

 

[missy1974]

When was the first time he spoke with LE, and knew they didnt care about the outstanding warrant as much as getting information on Joey's whereabouts?

After then did he then start trying to help the family locate them?

Wasn't Patrick searching for a very long time for his son, and family? Did he help Patrick in any way he could?

Yes, I wish we knew what he had done that time when he was evading the police.

It seems this guy just couldn't stay out of trouble with the law for very long even when he was making 173K with Joey, and all the fringe benefits his family received from Joey when CM was locked up in jail.

It must have been nice for a habitual criminal like CM to have had someone he knew who would pick up the slack/tab for him when he went to the slammer.

How many times was he in jail when Joey would have to help Jarvis and the kids from starving, and from being out on the streets?

Tia

I wouldn't say that Dugal and Fiske didn't care about his warrant, they agreed to not arrest him that day, but she did say she would be checking... can't recall exactly what deadline, etc she gave him.

As for Patrick and what he did or didn't do... someone that stuck around all these years might be better able to answer those questions, I really don't know even what Patrick did.

 

[HelenK]

No. Not if the friend thought that there was a good reason that the family went off the grid for a few days. I know it's hard for some here to adjust their way of thinking to what someone else might be thinking, but not everyone's lifestyle is the same and not everyone reacts the same to circumstances like these.

If the friend was just that - a friend - he/she would know that the McStays would not go "off the grid for a few days" and leave their dogs locked outside and uncared for.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The entire Saudi Arabian deal has always been hinky to me. Almost as if it were an excuse to go missing for a week while gambling away all the stolen money.
Are we able to verify that this was legit? Other than a memo line on a check to CM of course? Seriously?

I felt Joey did have this deal, but CMs part in it has always seemed off. He is a twice ex felon so imo he would be denied a passport.

I hope when the defense has Susan testify again, I hope the state brings this subject back up on cross.

Did he give Susan a receipt, like any business owner would do showing proof this is what he spent the money on, when she gave him money supposedly for SA?

I think it was just another one of his many scams. This time he pulled it on Joey's mom.

He truly has no shame. He knew she was trying to desperately keep Joey's business going, believing then they all were going to return.

If he is convicted, in the sentencing phase I think we will see a whole lot of people testify how CM scammed them out of many thousands.

Also, every criminal act he has ever done in his entire life, including when he was a juvenile will all be brought forth for the jury to hear.

Imo, CM has long been a bad seed without a conscience.

Jmo

 

[missy1974]

I have no doubt that there was a deal. I just can't help but wonder why? Not suggesting anything nefarious. But ,IMO, SA is a rich nation with many qualified people. Just seems odd to me.

I didn't have much doubt... but now... I dunno LOL I just find it odd that Sequieda said they did it, Susan testified about getting calls, then the calls stopping after Chase 'went to S.A.'. I recall in January questioning if he would have been allowed into the country... I don't think anyone really knows that answer though.

 

[missy1974]

Except none of this happened. So to me it seems most likely that they did meet for lunch, or at least met up somewhere and spent some time together, doing what is the question. IMO.

He sure would be taking a chance that they didn't still have surveillance or something if he lied. JMO

 

[cobalt sky]

If the friend was just that - a friend - he/she would know that the McStays would not go "off the grid for a few days" and leave their dogs locked outside and uncared for.

He did know that though and according to him it concerned him, which is why he contacted Joey's family. Who thought they were on a 10-day vacay and decided to just watch the movement of the dog bowls for a while. Are you as concerned about their lack of alarm?

 

[missy1974]

If I remember my history right, Saudi Arabia cut ties with the Taliban in late 1990's, maybe 2000, when they refused to hand over Bin Laden. I'm pretty sure that continued through his death in 2011. I don't believe Taliban would have been openly mingling in the streets of Saudi Arabia and introducing themselves to foreigners.
I want to see CM's passport. Saudi's had a strict policy about convicted felons entering their country.
Even if CM was done with his probation/parole, didn't he have unpaid back taxes, and possibly back child support owed? That's another "no go" when applying for a passport.

I don't know about the rest, but I have seen zero evidence of child support owed. I don't even recall anything about taxes before 2010, did he even do them? LOL

 

[HelenK]

I keep seeing references to this story but can anyone provide a link to support its truth? Or is this just rumor?

A rumor, yes. But I believe it happened. But still hearsay.

I believe it was from a long ago blog, lost in the mists of time. It would probably take forever and a day to find it, if one could do so at all.

 

[Tortoise]

Except none of this happened. So to me it seems most likely that they did meet for lunch, or at least met up somewhere and spent some time together, doing what is the question. IMO.

None of this happened because it was an answer to you posing the question what if this had happened?

So I don't see how that theoretical situation leads you to the conclusion they met, without seeing any evidence they did.

More to the point, if they did meet after Joey called the bank twice and checked the custom account, then it makes no sense that he called Chase when he arrived in Rancho to agree where to eat, and again 10 minutes later at the time Chase says they met, while Joey's phone moved from the tower near Chase's residence to the tower near CFA but Chase's phone didn't move, and called him again as he was leaving from a 2 hour lunch, and when he got home, when Chase's phone would suddenly go dark, and not answer any calls for the next almost 4 hours.

JMO

 

[Tortoise]

Do you have evidence, from a verifiable source, that can prove that incident actually occurred?? If so, please post it, or acknowledge it is hearsay when you make the statement.

Same for the lunch time meeting.

 

[missy1974]

Q. I have a criminal record. Can I get a visa to Saudi Arabia?
Holding a criminal record could only affect Work and Residency visas, depending on the specifics. In your business visa application you will not be asked to provide information in regards to your criminal record.

Not a US link, it's not easy to find info on this lol But just an fyi

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