CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #14

[smr]

Isn't it natural, when asked in past tense, to reply in the same, past, tense?

 

[smr]

This page has all the trial days linked to youtube in nice/neat order.

TheMcStayTrial Home/home.html

Great, thanks. Is that website set up by L&C? Doesn't seem so --any idea who set it up? There seem to be a few websites dedicated to this case, there is one by a "Cornelius" that keeps popping up when searching, any idea who it is?

 

[mrjitty]

Isn't it natural, when asked in past tense, to reply in the same, past, tense?

I think you twig immediately if the tense use does not match your own state of mind.

If you ask me 'was your mother a nice person' I would not answer in past tense but be very confused

If you ask me 'was your mother well?' I would answer in past tense because it agrees with my internal world that my last meeting with her lies in the past.

This is not stuff one needs to think about. You answer in the tense that matches your frame of reference.

 

[smr]

I think you twig immediately if the tense use does not match your own state of mind.

If you ask me 'was your mother a nice person' I would not answer in past tense but be very confused

If you ask me 'was your mother well?' I would answer in past tense because it agrees with my internal world that my last meeting with her lies in the past.

This is not stuff one needs to think about. You answer in the tense that matches your frame of reference.

That is, to a certain degree, true. However, we are talking about a family that suddenly vanished for no apparently reason, where foul play was likely, which, I assume, is not the case when someone asked about your mother (God forbid).

 

[asyousay]

That is, to a certain degree, true. However, we are talking about a family that suddenly vanished for no apparently reason, where foul play was likely, which, I assume, is not the case when someone asked about your mother (God forbid).

Apart from foul play was not suspected or likely at this stage.

The police thought they had simply gone off.

 

[smr]

Apart from foul play was not suspected or likely at this stage.

The police thought they had simply gone off.

If so, they would not have questioned CM and used past tense in the questioning (whether because they believed they were dead or because they meant to trap CM).

 

[Bernina]

If so, they would not have questioned CM and used past tense in the questioning (whether because they believed they were dead or because they meant to trap CM).

Sooooo......are you saying it's good or bad that LE use "past tense" in a voluntary interview to "trap" a POI?

 

[travelbug]

Sooooo......are you saying it's good or bad that LE use "past tense" in a voluntary interview to "trap" a POI?

IMO LE avoids the type of question that specifies tense, in the hope that the POI they are interviewing will fill in that part on their own. For example, "Can you tell me what you were doing the morning of April 1st" or "Do you know John Doe". Their goal is to get the person to discuss their version of the facts and watch for such "tells" as tense, lies and anxiety".

 

[smr]

Sooooo......are you saying it's good or bad that LE use "past tense" in a voluntary interview to "trap" a POI?

My post was simply in reply to "foul play was not suspected or likely at this stage", to show that obviously foul play was suspected/likely.

 

[smr]

So who is this Cornelius that seems to be very knowledgeable about everything McStay? No one has any idea?

 

[missy1974]

My post was simply in reply to "foul play was not suspected or likely at this stage", to show that obviously foul play was suspected/likely.

That interview was on the 17th, at that point, they didn't know, they didn't even have the search warrant yet. I don't even think they had the border video at that time.

Is that search warrant that Dugal got back in Feb 2010 available? I would be curious if some of the information that Chase gave them was used to get that search warrant. Like him not believing that Joseph would go or take the boys to Mexico, no history of abuse either way... no calls after the 4th.... I'm sure there is more that Dugal could have used.

 

[Karinna]

So who is this Cornelius that seems to be very knowledgeable about everything McStay? No one has any idea?

Cornelius has his own blog on the McStay case which we are not allowed to link to here.

 

[Karinna]

IMO LE avoids the type of question that specifies tense, in the hope that the POI they are interviewing will fill in that part on their own. For example, "Can you tell me what you were doing the morning of April 1st" or "Do you know John Doe". Their goal is to get the person to discuss their version of the facts and watch for such "tells" as tense, lies and anxiety".

Yes, LE have their interrogation methods in trying to establish whether a person is being deceptive or not in any given criminal case, and know what signs to look for.

 

[smr]

Cornelius has his own blog on the McStay case which we are not allowed to link to here.

Understand. But who is he? Is information on that blog reliable and why?

 

[Karinna]

Understand. But who is he? Is information on that blog reliable and why?

I have no idea, maybe you could ask him?

 

[smr]

I have no idea, maybe you could ask him?

LOL. "Who are you?" "I am Cornelius."

 

[Karinna]

If so, they would not have questioned CM and used past tense in the questioning (whether because they believed they were dead or because they meant to trap CM).

I think at that stage LE were trying to establish where the McStay family were and if they were missing voluntarily or something more sinister had happened to them. I think LE questioning family and friends would be normal procedure, and doesn't necessarily mean that LE didn't think something bad had happened or not. They would be trying to determine all angles, IMO.

 

[KALI]

I do care about Joey's and Summer's family.
I do care that the murderer of this entire family is convicted and placed in an awful living situation for what he has done to this family.
Anyone, who bludgeons a 3 year old and a 4 year old, rapes their Mother and tortures their father.
Should minimally be placed in some sort of hell.
With California's crazy legal system, this case may take many more years.
I can only hope for justice for the absolute Evil that entered Summer, Joey's and their two innocent boys that night.

 

[smr]

I do care about Joey's and Summer's family.
I do care that the murderer of this entire family is convicted and placed in an awful living situation for what he has done to this family.

I think there is no question this is what everyone watching this trial is in agreement with everyone else on (except for the killers themselves). The difference is in who one believes to be the murderer(s). Therefore, if one is not committed in saying Chase is evil and belongs to hell, that is only because one is not convinced Chase was the murderer, not that one does not want the murderer to go to hell or one does not care about the family.

 

[mothwings]

Can someone fill me in on the schedule again. I remember seeing the schedule. Is there no court til April 4th as of now? When can we expect more audio videos being uploaded?