CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #14

[mrjitty]

I was going to post the same thing - on he left here.... here to me would be his apt. complex.....

yes - it appears to be a terrific blunder

 

[mrjitty]

This kind of does my head in. If they met "here" meaning at Chase's apartment - why hide that?

 

[Karinna]

Was it ever verified in any way at all they had actually been at CFA together. Didn't CM state that JM paid for lunch with a card? That would of come up on a bank statement wouldn't it?

 

[Tortoise]

Fair point.

Although I am not sure it improves his answer a great deal.

The 10 mins later bit is not missing - it's in T's next section

He can't keep his lies straight LOL. A few minutes after telling them he'd had to direct Joey to Chick-fil-A on the 4th he answers this -

TD: Did he usually meet you at Chick-fil-A or did he usually come to your house or here?

CM: We met at Chick-fil-A, my house, um, where, sometimes we met halfway, you know we’d, we’d…

 

[Tortoise]

I've posted a few amendments to the interview transcript - CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr., McStay murders 4 Feb 2010 *Trial Transcripts - NO DISCUSSION*

 

[mrjitty]

Was it ever verified in any way at all they had actually been at CFA together. Didn't CM state that JM paid for lunch with a card? That would of come up on a bank statement wouldn't it?

No i don't think so.

 

[mrjitty]

He can't keep his lies straight LOL. A few minutes after telling them he'd had to direct Joey to Chick-fil-A on the 4th he answers this -

TD: Did he usually meet you at Chick-fil-A or did he usually come to your house or here?

CM: We met at Chick-fil-A, my house, um, where, sometimes we met halfway, you know we’d, we’d…

Yes - Missy's correction actually makes it clearer. He directly lifts dialogue from his current conversation only minutes earlier to be the content of his phone call with Joey.

I have now come 100% to your view. They never met at CFA

They met at his house.

Why he is lying about that is obviously key to the case.

 

[la2cabo]

@Force Ten or anyone else

As locals - what might "down in Rancho Cucamonga" mean with reference to the apartment complex?

In the interview, Chase seems to say CFA was only 6 blocks away

The area where Merritt lived may have been considered Alta Loma. It's still a part of Rancho Cucamonga but for those who live in Alta Loma they like to think it's worlds away because they consider it nicer and wealthier. Anything north of Baseline Road is considered Alta Loma, at least by the locals.

 

[la2cabo]

The area where Merritt lived may have been considered Alta Loma. It's still a part of Rancho Cucamonga but for those who live in Alta Loma they like to think it's worlds away because they consider it nicer and wealthier. Anything north of Baseline Road is considered Alta Loma, at least by the locals.

Now I've just confused myself because where CFA is located is commonly referred to as Alta Loma and Merritt's apartment complex is in Rancho Cucamonga.

I', sorry, I have no idea what Merritt was trying to say.

 

[Timekeeper65]

Now I've just confused myself because where CFA is located is commonly referred to as Alta Loma and Merritt's apartment complex is in Rancho Cucamonga.

I', sorry, I have no idea what Merritt was trying to say.

No worries @la2cabo. Difficult for Con Man to keep all his lies straight. And he’s sinking.

 

[Tortoise]

I have now come 100% to your view. They never met at CFA

100% as far as I'm concerned.

TD: And did he call up on his way home to kill time [x] a problem?

CM: Yeah, no…he, I’m almost positive now I’m, I’m trying to remember I was trying to remember earlier when I wrote that down, I’m almost positive that he paid for Chick-fil-A with his credit card or ATM or whatever, so you’d probably be able to look that up. He, he, cos he bought lunch you know, he always bought lunch

Not only did he avoid answering the question about why Joey called him on the way home, he told them they'd probably be able to find proof of Joey's payment. Then "I was trying to remember earlier" means he didn't remember he only tried, and "I'm almost positive" is a get out for him being 100% wrong. But one has to ask why he wants them to look it up, because they weren't asking for proof Joey was there, so why was he even thinking in advance of meeting them that they'd want proof? It's because IMO he knows Joey's trip to Rancho was key. Why was CM preparing on the 17th Feb to back up a lunch meeting if Joey's phone records showed he got home and spoke to CM at 5.48 pm? He's attempted to alibi himself unnecessarily.

And then there's the discussions about the electrical boxes but oops Joey had left the drawings at home...

And the car he saw but didn't - [24:34 Day 10 Pt 4 video]

TD: What was he driving on the 4th?

CM: The white car.

TD: The white Trooper?

CM: The white Trooper.

TD: Nobody with him?

CM: Nobody with him.

TD: Do you know if the child seats were in there? Did you see it?

CM: Yeah, I no, no, I didn’t see it.

And the frantic 20+ calls and attempts to call to Cathy in the hour after Joey arrived, while they're [cough] going over business.

And the absence of anything related to Joey's frame of mind or anything he said, from his recounting of the [cough] meeting.

The cheque serial number he already had in his possession on the 2nd.

There is zero evidence they met. He knows Joey was there because Joey called him to tell him he'd arrived and called him again as he was setting off for home.

JMO

 

[mrjitty]

Now I've just confused myself because where CFA is located is commonly referred to as Alta Loma and Merritt's apartment complex is in Rancho Cucamonga.

I', sorry, I have no idea what Merritt was trying to say.

Thanks for this - it had set me to wondering what spatial reference he was working to?

As he answered the question, he was sitting in Rancho

So when he says "down in Rancho Cucamonga" he must be speaking from a different reference point. A reference point where he is not in rancho.

This speaks to there being more than one time he saw Joey IMO and he was imagining himself also not at Rancho

 

[mrjitty]

He's attempted to alibi himself unnecessarily.

RSBM for focus

Yeah, this is emerging as my theory as well.

Maybe he knows/believes Joey ate at CFA by himself (after all its a long trip etc - Joey must have eaten somewhere)

I think Joey went to Chase's but Chase wants to conceal a meeting with Joey alone because it could raise suspicion of an argument or a fight

Chase knows Joey is killed later, but the cops don't know that. So better to make a meeting in public where nothing too heavy can happen?

 

[mrjitty]

And the car he saw but didn't - [24:34 Day 10 Pt 4 video]

TD: What was he driving on the 4th?

CM: The white car.

TD: The white Trooper?

CM: The white Trooper.

TD: Nobody with him?

CM: Nobody with him.

TD: Do you know if the child seats were in there? Did you see it?

CM: Yeah, I no, no, I didn’t see it.

This is a bad error as well. How does he know what car Joey had? Interesting that its sensitive as to whether he saw the trooper.

And the frantic 20+ calls and attempts to call to Cathy in the hour after Joey arrived, while they're [cough] going over business.

Yes - this makes no sense - why is it left out of the narrative

 

[oceanblueeyes]

No worries @la2cabo. Difficult for Con Man to keep all his lies straight. And he’s sinking.

He makes my head hurt trying to follow all of his ramblings.

Imo,he uses distractions as an evasive maneuver. By the time he is through answering one simple question he wants them to be so confused they have no idea what he really said.

One thing comes across clearly imo. He is a man consumed with himself.

Jmo

 

[mrjitty]

Its fascinating how powerful it is to see this stuff written down.

I've listened to most of it over time but I never would have picked up on these mistakes without @Tortoise 's transcript!

 

[mrjitty]

And the frantic 20+ calls and attempts to call to Cathy in the hour after Joey arrived, while they're [cough] going over business.

Can you please link to Chase's calls? I seem to have lost where they are

Also Cathy's calls?

Sorry!

 

[Tortoise]

Its fascinating how powerful it is to see this stuff written down.

I've listened to most of it over time but I never would have picked up on these mistakes without @Tortoise 's transcript!

Why thank you, it makes the time spent listening to the snake all the more worthwhile to know that

 

[Bernina]

I'd like to see the polygraph Chase took. I can tell you right now that he didn't pass because the tester will TELL you after it is completed if you did. It's not "well, I guess I passed because they didn't do any follow up"...doesn't work that way.
Chase's interview with LE is FULL of deflection, full of contradictions, talking about stuff that isn't even relevant. And Chase had to bring NOTES? This was only 13 days after anyone had last seen or spoken to the family.
Chase claims he and Joey were back and forth on the phone 15-20 times a day, and when they stop, he has to refer to NOTES? That's a pretty huge change in Chase's daily routine.
I think LE did an excellent job, the calls coming into Dugal during the interview threw Chase off. It's similar to investigators coming into the interview room during questioning, dropping some paperwork off and walking out. Skipping from one thing to another. IMO, the investigators totally threw Chase off his game.
And Chase's comment about Fiske? Her voice vs. appearance right out of the gate? Typical attempt to cozy up to the investigator, doesn't work. "President's Day"? The investigators KNEW that was inaccurate and again, threw Chase off.
This "Officer, I don't recall, can I have a "shoutout to my wife" nonsense? It's laughable. And he even lies about CJ being his "wife".
Amazing how this weekend long argument between Chase and CJ over not picking up Joey's last call is NEVER mentioned, that would certainly be noteworthy in trying to put together a timeline....if it had ever happened.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

RSBM for focus

Yeah, this is emerging as my theory as well.

Maybe he knows/believes Joey ate at CFA by himself (after all its a long trip etc - Joey must have eaten somewhere)

I think Joey went to Chase's but Chase wants to conceal a meeting with Joey alone because it could raise suspicion of an argument or a fight

Chase knows Joey is killed later, but the cops don't know that. So better to make a meeting in public where nothing too heavy can happen?

I mentioned the same thing much earlier on, when I read that CM said Joey typically came to their home at least once or twice a week to eat with them.

It never made any sense Joey would travel all that way into CMs area, and not meet him at his home.

I have long believe Tortoise's theory is correct, that the meeting never happened at CFA. That's why there is no receipt of Joey paying for food. Why? Simply, because it never happened.

What convinced me even more is when Tortoise transcribed the interview, and CM specifically said ' NO ONE ELSE WAS THERE.' Yet the meeting was to have lasted 1 1/2 to 2 hours.

Imo, Liar, liar, pants on fire!

We don't usually go to many fast food restaurants, but we love CFA, and go at least once or twice a week, now that we are both home every day, because the food is delicious, plus the excellent customer service is second to none.

I live in a small community, but everyone knows if they go at the very busiest time of the day around lunchtime, they will be packed.

So, IMO, that shows he's lying about the CFA meeting.

CFA is consistently rated number one in America in the fast food industry for a reason. People line up to buy their delious food nonstop, knowing they will get prompt service from very respectful employees.

No matter what time of the day we've gone to a CFA there are always plenty of customers in each one, no matter the location.

CM lies when his lips move.

Imo