CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #15

[Frankie Hellis]

RSBM

BBM - but that is not what I heard in the testimony, what I heard is that 4 items DID meet the analytic threshold for the Bode lab. The judge specifically asked Ryan that question on Thursday.

other cord - 4/22
left cup black bra 9/22
red strap - 4/22
the right cup 19/22

I'm hoping we will have a better understanding after today's testimony about what exactly was sent to Cybergenetic's, if these partial's were sent to get more data or what was exactly sent. I'm sure for some it won't matter; however, after limited research, it seems like the techonology is pretty advanced and has been used in numerous trials, most of what I could find was for the prosecution. JMO

I hope we will have a better understanding too, because I believe all those items were under the analytic thresholds established at the original lab, which is why no dna was found to begin with. Ryan sent the data elsewhere and when they lowered the minimum readings is when they could produce results. At least that was my understanding of it. The judge did ask, but it was how many alleles matched with the reduced results. At least that is what I thought, but I could be wrong.

 

[Frankie Hellis]

Part one from today is available.

ETA: it has the wrong date on it though

 

[smr]

BBM

And then someone else killed Joey and his whole family?

I don't know. Do you?

 

[geevee]

I don't know. Do you?

I think whomever *printed the check on the evening of the 4th is the killer, and no amount of 'alternative, creative accounting' theory is going to get the defense past that hump.

ETA: *Created, not printed, sorry.

Mooo

 

[smr]

I think whomever printed the check on the evening of the 4th is the killer, and no amount of 'alternative, creative accounting' theory is going to get the defense past that hump.

Mooo

I don't know. But, "We're gonna find this individual, or individuals".

 

[Mony Mony]

I hope we will have a better understanding too, because I believe all those items were under the analytic thresholds established at the original lab, which is why no dna was found to begin with. Ryan sent the data elsewhere and when they lowered the minimum readings is when they could produce results. At least that was my understanding of it. The judge did ask, but it was how many alleles matched with the reduced results. At least that is what I thought, but I could be wrong.

It will be interesting to see if FBI/CODIS will accept the data with the lowered standards. There are established standards.

CODIS and NDIS Fact Sheet — FBI

 

[katydid23]

I know quite a few females who've not driven their husbands vehicles, simply because they have their own vehicles. If their husbands park somewhere where it shouldn't be they are told to "MOVE IT" themselves lol. I myself have never driven my son's car and he's had it for four years now. Too big for me, I can't see over the dashboard let alone reach the peddals lol.

Regarding Joey and Summer touching one another. Well, wasn't Joey looking for a marriage counsellor? Didn't he mention it to his mother? If they were having problems in their marriage that were serious enough to seek a marriage counsellor they most probably were not showing much affection towards each other as in, touching one another affectionately. ALL MOO

In this particular case I remrmber there was a discussion about which car Joey was using because sometimes they traded cars. I’d like to hear more info on that.

My husband and I switch cars sometimes because 1 car is a compact and the other an SUV.
I think in the normal scheme of things it is quite possible they drove each other’s cars at one time or another.

Mine was in the shop so I used hubbys when he got home from work. It is not that unusual. JMO

 

[katydid23]

I don't know. But, "We're gonna find this individual, or individuals".

What about the guy that the check was made out to? Isn’t that a big clue?

 

[geevee]

Part 2 is up:

 

[MrsPC]

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[missy1974]

I hope we will have a better understanding too, because I believe all those items were under the analytic thresholds established at the original lab, which is why no dna was found to begin with. Ryan sent the data elsewhere and when they lowered the minimum readings is when they could produce results. At least that was my understanding of it. The judge did ask, but it was how many alleles matched with the reduced results. At least that is what I thought, but I could be wrong.

The judge specifically asks if the 4 items that Bode tested were above the analytical threshold, she says some, yes.
14:45 of this video:

 

[katydid23]

I know quite a few females who've not driven their husbands vehicles, simply because they have their own vehicles. If their husbands park somewhere where it shouldn't be they are told to "MOVE IT" themselves lol. I myself have never driven my son's car and he's had it for four years now. Too big for me, I can't see over the dashboard let alone reach the peddals lol.

Regarding Joey and Summer touching one another. Well, wasn't Joey looking for a marriage counsellor? Didn't he mention it to his mother? If they were having problems in their marriage that were serious enough to seek a marriage counsellor they most probably were not showing much affection towards each other as in, touching one another affectionately. ALL MOO

So people who see marriage counselors don’t touch each other or kiss and hug?

They lived in the same house and had the same bedroom and coparented toddlers together. They absolutely had each other’s trace DNA on each other if they are claiming Joey had Chases from a simple handshake.
JMO

 

[missy1974]

It will be interesting to see if FBI/CODIS will accept the data with the lowered standards. There are established standards.

CODIS and NDIS Fact Sheet — FBI

Have a look at some of the cases that TrueAllele was used in and for what. I do believe it would be "accepted". I was actually surprised when I looked at some of the info.

Trials

Now a more burning question would be, who can actually run that through CODIS? My understanding is that defense laywers or consultants like Ryan do not have that ability. They can try to get a court order, but apparently that is rarely done, and not done in this phase, more likely in the post-conviction phase, again from what little I know about it, so JMO.

 

[smr]

Well, since some believe there was a heated argument between CM and JM at the lunch, I'll go along for now and say, the two men may even have had a fist fight at or after the lunch, causing a significant amount of CM's DNA attached to JM.

BBM

And then someone else killed Joey and his whole family?

Seems I need to make explicit the point I was making, which is this:

IF you believe the two men had a heated argument at the lunch, then I don't see how you can't envision the possibility that, say, CM's saliva go on JM's body (according to some that convicted felon and thief should be capable of any evil, so spitting at JM wouldn't be impossible), or DNA from his hands got on JM's hand when the two were fist fighting. Then, let's say CM angrily left, and JM got into the car to drive home.

Remember, there is an "IF".

 

[la2cabo]

So people who see marriage counselors don’t touch each other or kiss and hug?

They lived in the same house and had the same bedroom and coparented toddlers together. They absolutely had each other’s trace DNA on each other if they are claiming Joey had Chases from a simple handshake.
JMO

Of course they had each other's DNA on them. They lived in the same house for crying out loud.

 

[geevee]

Seems I need to make explicit the point I was making, which is this:

IF you believe the two men had a heated argument at the lunch, then I don't see how you can't envision the possibility that, say, CM's saliva go on JM's body (according to some that convicted felon and thief should be capable of any evil, so spitting at JM wouldn't be impossible), or DNA from his hands got on JM's hand when the two were fist fighting. Then, let's say CM angrily left, and JM got into the car to drive home.

Remember, there is an "IF".

I could envision the possibility of a heated argument, maybe even coming to blows, resulting in DNA swapping, but can't entertain the possibility that JM left a scene like that and then someone else killed him and his wife and two children that same day. Far too much coincidence for my mind.

 

[la2cabo]

Seems I need to make explicit the point I was making, which is this:

IF you believe the two men had a heated argument at the lunch, then I don't see how you can't envision the possibility that, say, CM's saliva go on JM's body (according to some that convicted felon and thief should be capable of any evil, so spitting at JM wouldn't be impossible), or DNA from his hands got on JM's hand when the two were fist fighting. Then, let's say CM angrily left, and JM got into the car to drive home.

Remember, there is an "IF".

If the two of them got in to such a heated argument that it escalated to the point of physical contact I would think the DT would've brought that up by now.

 

[katydid23]

I don't know. Do you?

If Joey and Chase got into a fistfight that afternoon—-then yes, I am going to say that Chase was the killer

Number one, that would mean that Chase lied to the detectives about what happened the day of the murders

It would also mean that Joey was very angry st Chase—-the angriest he had ever been. So
That means that Joey had discovered something to anger him. And the obvious implication is going to be the forged checks.

And what are the chances that Joey gets into a fistfight with an employee thatbisvstealingnfrom him—and then a few hours later someone different assaults him?

 

[katydid23]

Seems I need to make explicit the point I was making, which is this:

IF you believe the two men had a heated argument at the lunch, then I don't see how you can't envision the possibility that, say, CM's saliva go on JM's body (according to some that convicted felon and thief should be capable of any evil, so spitting at JM wouldn't be impossible), or DNA from his hands got on JM's hand when the two were fist fighting. Then, let's say CM angrily left, and JM got into the car to drive home.

Remember, there is an "IF".

So wouldn’t that incident make you wonder why they were so angry at each other?

Wouldn’t that be evidence of a motive on Chases’s part that he was so angry he could assault his boss?

And evidence that Joey had just found out something that Chase had done?

 

[Mony Mony]

If Joey and Chase got into a fistfight that afternoon—-then yes, I am going to say that Chase was the killer

Number one, that would mean that Chase lied to the detectives about what happened the day of the murders

It would also mean that Joey was very angry st Chase—-the angriest he had ever been. So
That means that Joey had discovered something to anger him. And the obvious implication is going to be the forged checks.

And what are the chances that Joey gets into a fistfight with an employee thatbisvstealingnfrom him—and then a few hours later someone different assaults him?

I guess in Bizarro World, the chances are pretty good. Just like the chances they implemented the alternative accounting system.